What is your main SHTF (Apocolypse) gun/plan?

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bill o said:
What if the boat owner you approach immediately shoots you in the face and takes your stuff?
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He better be a damn quick shot, because papa don't miss :D

Knob Creek said:
I'm going to blow the bridge between my town and New Bedford. Then go home and hunker down.
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Damn, a neighbor. I'm fairly close to New Bedford as well. Might even be the same city. If you see the guy with a big beard and the Mossy 500 sailing the seven seas with his new found pirate buddies, hold your shot lol.

cams said:
OP as a good test for yourself, not knowing what shape you’re in or your age, have someone drive your 12Ga to the range and wait for you. Then take your 70lb pack just the way it’s set up now, and hump it 15 miles to said range. No threats along the way, not a forced march pace, just an easy walk with it for the 15m.

Once you arrive at the range you’re allowed one swig of water (need to ration it with that kit) and then fire 4 sets of 50rds with your shotgun for a total of 200rds in a 30min time window.

I’d guess by that night you’ll be making better plans.
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15 miles? Good lord. I think my entire city is only like 8 miles. The thing is once shit hits the fans, and it's nut up or shut up season. People find unfound power and determination. Right now I can't be convinced to walk to the corner store unless I have to. Tell me I have 20 minutes to get to a boat located on the other end of my city or I die in a undead nightmare? Yeah, I'm running with 70 pounds on my back.

I don't have kids yet. When I do have one. Boy will they be armed in the womb :D


I forgot to mention I have about 2 friends and 3 family members in on my plan who all have resource packs as well. Bunch of nuts. Even more crazy about zombie b.s than I am. They even have crazy medicines and solutions that dissolve things to make a medicine for like every imaginable disease and differnet kids for making elxiers and crazy warlock shit lol. Most have guns as well. So it won't just be me versus the boat guys. Hopefully they have room for a few. But in numbers is always best if SHTF.
 
MassachussettsMosinNagant said:
15 miles? Good lord. I think my entire city is only like 8 miles. The thing is once shit hits the fans, and it's nut up or shut up season. People find unfound power and determination. Right now I can't be convinced to walk to the corner store unless I have to. Tell me I have 20 minutes to get to a boat located on the other end of my city or I die in a undead nightmare? Yeah, I'm running with 70 pounds on my back.
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Don’t fool yourself. If that were the case then the .mil wouldn’t waste a dime on training it’s troops constantly, they’d just take a bunch of civilians and ship them off to war. What a disaster that would be.

There’s an old saying that’s very true and fits right here,

“You will not rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.”

Regardless, I’m not trying to bust your nuts here, just offering some hard learned experience.
 
MassachussettsMosinNagant said:
He better be a damn quick shot, because papa don't miss :D



Damn, a neighbor. I'm fairly close to New Bedford as well. Might even be the same city. If you see the guy with a big beard and the Mossy 500 sailing the seven seas with his new found pirate buddies, hold your shot lol.




15 miles? Good lord. I think my entire city is only like 8 miles. The thing is once shit hits the fans, and it's nut up or shut up season. People find unfound power and determination. Right now I can't be convinced to walk to the corner store unless I have to. Tell me I have 20 minutes to get to a boat located on the other end of my city or I die in a undead nightmare? Yeah, I'm running with 70 pounds on my back.

I don't have kids yet. When I do have one. Boy will they be armed in the womb :D


I forgot to mention I have about 2 friends and 3 family members in on my plan who all have resource packs as well. Bunch of nuts. Even more crazy about zombie b.s than I am. They even have crazy medicines and solutions that dissolve things to make a medicine for like every imaginable disease and differnet kids for making elxiers and crazy warlock shit lol. Most have guns as well. So it won't just be me versus the boat guys. Hopefully they have room for a few. But in numbers is always best if SHTF.
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Jesus. I was about to joke that you must be like 22. Then I checked your profile.

It's not too late. If you really want to play with a 70 lb. ruck, I'm sure some of the guys here can point you in a better direction.

Suddenly your plans might adjust a little.
 
cams said:
There’s an old saying that’s very true and fits right here,

“You will not rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.”

Regardless, I’m not trying to bust your nuts here, just offering some hard learned experience.
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He's counting on the "crazy warlock shit" to offset the lack of training, fitness and experience.

Could work. :)
 
I'm staying put. The useful Friends and family are welcome to come help arm the perimeter, I will supply them. The useless ones are on their own.
 
cams said:
Don’t fool yourself. If that were the case then the .mil wouldn’t waste a dime on training it’s troops constantly, they’d just take a bunch of civilians and ship them off to war. What a disaster that would be.

There’s an old saying that’s very true and fits right here,

“You will not rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.”

Regardless, I’m not trying to bust your nuts here, just offering some hard learned experience.
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No, I agree with everything you are saying. I don't mean to come off condescending. I was more so being facetious. But I doubt I will ever be in military shape. I'm trying to think of what I will do in the current shape I am in. Maybe I am overestimating my odds or plan. But in this situation who the hell knows.

Maybe I walk out the house and the military flies down in an apache helicopter right in front of my door step day 1 of the apacolypse and Trump comes out of it with a f***ing Tommy gun painted in the american flag red white and blue and says "Come with me, Uncle Sam has you. We are making America Great Again. And building a wall to keep the zombies (especially the mexican ones) out. Nut up or shut up" than I fly as Lynard Skynard plays and fire works shoot and bald eagles flap along side as we ascend lol. But odds are I probably leave the house and get killed. But I think 90 percent will die within the first 5 years. The elite military will have sanctioned off sections that's where most people will live.
 
MassachussettsMosinNagant said:
He better be a damn quick shot, because papa don't miss :D



Damn, a neighbor. I'm fairly close to New Bedford as well. Might even be the same city. If you see the guy with a big beard and the Mossy 500 sailing the seven seas with his new found pirate buddies, hold your shot lol.




15 miles? Good lord. I think my entire city is only like 8 miles. The thing is once shit hits the fans, and it's nut up or shut up season. People find unfound power and determination. Right now I can't be convinced to walk to the corner store unless I have to. Tell me I have 20 minutes to get to a boat located on the other end of my city or I die in a undead nightmare? Yeah, I'm running with 70 pounds on my back.

I don't have kids yet. When I do have one. Boy will they be armed in the womb :D


I forgot to mention I have about 2 friends and 3 family members in on my plan who all have resource packs as well. Bunch of nuts. Even more crazy about zombie b.s than I am. They even have crazy medicines and solutions that dissolve things to make a medicine for like every imaginable disease and differnet kids for making elxiers and crazy warlock shit lol. Most have guns as well. So it won't just be me versus the boat guys. Hopefully they have room for a few. But in numbers is always best if SHTF.
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Decide where you and your D&D friends and family are going to make your initial stand (IE: whose house) make that your rally point to meet up at. Have each member be responsible for a different sector of the house and stand firm on that. Make range cards for fields of fire from each sector and stick to them. Have one be the designated runner for ammo and first aid and whoever that is then needs to call out so another can also cover their sector of the house. Then designate a second for when that guy gets killed, etc down the line.

Check your surrounding areas outside and designate a fall back or roaming rally point for when your initial plan goes to shit. Everybody can meet up at that point and continue to fight on foot to whatever predesignated ORP (objective rally point) I know you’ve all thought about and pre-planned for.

Use a simple whistle to signal your friends, one blast for “rally on me as soon as you can, new plan” as dynamic situations are always evolving and changing, two blasts for evac any way you can we’re being burned out or overum and meet me at the first designated roaming rally point in 15mins. If they can’t make that point in the allotted time window they should automatically start making it the secondary rally point you’ve all plotted for, etc etc.

Set up a simple GOTWA card for whoever’s in charge of this cluster. So if you’re really missing someone from one of the rally points you’ll strike out to find them and leave a second in charge to stand fast at that RP.

Use this format:

G - where you’re going
O - others you’re taking with you
T - time you’re expected to return
W - what to do if you don’t return
A - actions to take upon contact (being shot at)

And for each of these roaming rally points you’ve pre-plotted, you’ll need to check the entire surrounding areas for known avenues of approach (streets/walking paths/etc) and plan to surveil and defend them the hardest) but not leave any other avenues of approach (heavily wooded or swamp areas) completely undefended, because it’s those routes that the professionals will be taking.

I could go on for days, but hopefully you get the point. There’s a whole lot more to this than just running around with a gun in one hand and a bottle of jack in the other if you actually want to survive it. Voodoo and wizards aside. Not a great plan in my opinion.

Just something to think about (the thought and training that some people actually put into these things to give themselves a better chance at surviving) and maybe motivate you into a long term actual plan of action to help you and your family get by. It is what it is. I’ll prolly be sitting home myself watching one last Pornhub episode or something before running out into the street naked with a rifle and jungle boots on. I’ve lived long enough already.
 
Mesatchornug said:
Jesus. I was about to joke that you must be like 22. Then I checked your profile.

It's not too late. If you really want to play with a 70 lb. ruck, I'm sure some of the guys here can point you in a better direction.

Suddenly your plans might adjust a little.
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Maybe the bag being so big is a bad idea, but I'm stressing how important it will be to have everything in that bag once I leave. Especially ammo. Once you are out, you're screwed. Most people have big basements of ammo. realistically you can only carry so much. I was thinking of doing a doomsday hold the fort scenerio but like others have said, rockets and molotovs make me not trust hanging in a structure for too long.
 
mibro said:
Very true. I'll play along with the OP's premise. A shotgun as primary SHTF weapon is a joke. In addition to a MBR you will need the ability to set up defense in depth which might hypothetically include a complete video/night surveillance system, tripwire guns, remote controlled rifles firing on fixed lines, improvised incendiary grenades and launchers. The possibilities are unlimited, better have a basement full of miscellaneous parts.

This apocalypse porn stuff is entertaining.
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You're making the assumption there will be electricity to power all your neato gadgets. Animals will be a problem once food runs out, stray/wild animals will be everywhere so 'fishing line' detection will be problematic at best.

This is why I talk to my neighbors. Find the ones who offer to help with small stuff, put them on the list. If you have the houses around your house in your 'network', you have defense in depth. Stand watch at the outer houses, defend and move inward as needed. Retake the outer perimeter when available. To think you can defend yourself, by yourself, is simply laughable if you look at the larger issue of tribalism that will develop. Gangs at worst will be roaming and outnumber you by a good margin, at best, it will be 'good people' who are simply desperate. I don't do much above average than shoot, I need to find a gardener, a welder, and a chemist (to make fuel, and probably smarter than me). Despite all the cop hate here, I'm a fairly grounded person who gets along with almost everyone I've ever met, or arrested for that matter.

I only see a CME as a survivable incident in the short term. I pay attention to solar activity because I think it's pretty cool in a general sense. Pretty much every other event will just be prolonging the inevitable. Zombie outbreak will be like the meme posted earlier. Nuclear fallout will make it damn near impossible for humans to survive long term, assuming a MAD response.

When I retire, I plan to move to the absolute limit of a city close enough to not be a PITA to get to in normal times, far enough away so I can have upwards of 5 acres if I could plan my 'dream' house. Get to know the neighbors, hopefully have a bad storm come through to see who gets stuff done and add them to the list. Bring a case of beer over and ever so slowly figure out if they think about that kind of stuff.

So, to keep with the stream of consciousness aspect of the OP, lots of friends will be a better defense than any particular firearm.
 
cams said:
Decide where you and your D&D friends and family are going to make your initial stand (IE: whose house) make that your rally point to meet up at. Have each member be responsible for a different sector of the house and stand firm on that. Make range cards for fields of fire from each sector and stick to them. Have one be the designated runner for ammo and first aid and whoever that is then needs to call out so another can also cover their sector of the house. Then designate a second for when that guy gets killed, etc down the line.

Check your surrounding areas outside and designate a fall back or roaming rally point for when your initial plan goes to shit. Everybody can meet up at that point and continue to fight on foot to whatever predesignated ORP (objective rally point) I know you’ve all thought about and pre-planned for.

Use a simple whistle to signal your friends, one blast for “rally on me as soon as you can, new plan” as dynamic situations are always evolving and changing, two blasts for evac any way you can we’re being burned out or overum and meet me at the first designated roaming rally point in 15mins. If they can’t make that point in the allotted time window they should automatically start making it the secondary rally point you’ve all plotted for, etc etc.

Set up a simple GOTWA card for whoever’s in charge of this cluster. So if you’re really missing someone from one of the rally points you’ll strike out to find them and leave a second in charge to stand fast at that RP.

Use this format:

G - where you’re going
O - others you’re taking with you
T - time you’re expected to return
W - what to do if you don’t return
A - actions to take upon contact (being shot at)

And for each of these roaming rally points you’ve pre-plotted, you’ll need to check the entire surrounding areas for known avenues of approach (streets/walking paths/etc) and plan to surveil and defend them the hardest) but not leave any other avenues of approach (heavily wooded or swamp areas) completely undefended, because it’s those routes that the professionals will be taking.

I could go on for days, but hopefully you get the point. There’s a whole lot more to this than just running around with a gun in one hand and a bottle of jack in the other if you actually want to survive it. Voodoo and wizards aside. Not a great plan in my opinion.

Just something to think about (the thought and training that some people actually put into these things to give themselves a better chance at surviving) and maybe motivate you into a long term actual plan of action to help you and your family get by. It is what it is. I’ll prolly be sitting home myself watching one last Pornhub episode or something before running out into the street naked with a rifle and jungle boots on. I’ve lived long enough already.
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Damn, you must have served I assume? That is an elaborate and pretty brilliant plan. Sounds a lot like stories my great grandfather used to tell about WW2. Thanks for all the effort you put into sharing that. What do you say to the critique of hanging low and hiding out in a structure as mentioned before that someone could throw a molotov or launch a rocket into your house? I assume that might be stoppable if you got a quick sniper or two.
 
weekendracer said:
You're making the assumption there will be electricity to power all your neato gadgets. Animals will be a problem once food runs out, stray/wild animals will be everywhere so 'fishing line' detection will be problematic at best.
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This is all for entertainment purposes only but putting that aside I'm thinking of the first 90 to 120 days after the grid goes down completely. TPTB will bunker up and the golden horde will be starving. If you have a defensible location you will need a lot more than one old infantryman long past his sell by date to keep them from your door.

There is no-one around me who is not a sheep so I've put some thought into force multipliers. None of them require 120V AC.
 
MassachussettsMosinNagant said:
Damn, you must have served I assume? That is an elaborate and pretty brilliant plan. Sounds a lot like stories my great grandfather used to tell about WW2. Thanks for all the effort you put into sharing that. What do you say to the critique of hanging low and hiding out in a structure as mentioned before that someone could throw a molotov or launch a rocket into your house? I assume that might be stoppable if you got a quick sniper or two.
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What I described is very basic stuff, just to give you an idea of what you may be up against with even the basics. Never mind some folks that are far beyond that training and actually walk the walk.

Even the best plan will go to sh*t after a while. Just do whatever it takes to try and avoid contact, stay invisible and survive and get your family somewhere safe with shelter, water and food capabilities, that’s your intial goal and the simple reality of it. Survive, get somewhere safe, lay low, and then plan from there if you’re going to go all Robert Rogers on people or not.
 
cams said:
Decide where you and your D&D friends and family are going to make your initial stand (IE: whose house) make that your rally point to meet up at. Have each member be responsible for a different sector of the house and stand firm on that. Make range cards for fields of fire from each sector and stick to them. Have one be the designated runner for ammo and first aid and whoever that is then needs to call out so another can also cover their sector of the house. Then designate a second for when that guy gets killed, etc down the line.

Check your surrounding areas outside and designate a fall back or roaming rally point for when your initial plan goes to shit. Everybody can meet up at that point and continue to fight on foot to whatever predesignated ORP (objective rally point) I know you’ve all thought about and pre-planned for.

Use a simple whistle to signal your friends, one blast for “rally on me as soon as you can, new plan” as dynamic situations are always evolving and changing, two blasts for evac any way you can we’re being burned out or overum and meet me at the first designated roaming rally point in 15mins. If they can’t make that point in the allotted time window they should automatically start making it the secondary rally point you’ve all plotted for, etc etc.

Set up a simple GOTWA card for whoever’s in charge of this cluster. So if you’re really missing someone from one of the rally points you’ll strike out to find them and leave a second in charge to stand fast at that RP.

Use this format:

G - where you’re going
O - others you’re taking with you
T - time you’re expected to return
W - what to do if you don’t return
A - actions to take upon contact (being shot at)

And for each of these roaming rally points you’ve pre-plotted, you’ll need to check the entire surrounding areas for known avenues of approach (streets/walking paths/etc) and plan to surveil and defend them the hardest) but not leave any other avenues of approach (heavily wooded or swamp areas) completely undefended, because it’s those routes that the professionals will be taking.

I could go on for days, but hopefully you get the point. There’s a whole lot more to this than just running around with a gun in one hand and a bottle of jack in the other if you actually want to survive it. Voodoo and wizards aside. Not a great plan in my opinion.

Just something to think about (the thought and training that some people actually put into these things to give themselves a better chance at surviving) and maybe motivate you into a long term actual plan of action to help you and your family get by. It is what it is. I’ll prolly be sitting home myself watching one last Pornhub episode or something before running out into the street naked with a rifle and jungle boots on. I’ve lived long enough already.
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I knew you'd know how to party.

I'll bring the scotch.
 
MassachussettsMosinNagant said:
Damn, you must have served I assume? That is an elaborate and pretty brilliant plan. Sounds a lot like stories my great grandfather used to tell about WW2. Thanks for all the effort you put into sharing that. What do you say to the critique of hanging low and hiding out in a structure as mentioned before that someone could throw a molotov or launch a rocket into your house? I assume that might be stoppable if you got a quick sniper or two.
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Heres the catch......it's not "elaborate". He just described army "infantry 101" at about the level what a staff sergeant (junior nco) would need.

I giggle sometimes when I read blogs and articles by "preppers" that think a few ar 15s, a few bug out bags, and a "pact" between their call of duty drinking buddies are gonna survive the apocolypse together. They'll be ok....until the pros show up.

By the way.....I'm no pro. I was an 11b for 6 years then finished my 25 years in logistics...... so have the basic of the basics of infantry tactics down...bit I'm old now. My knowledge would probably help me survive about 24 hours longer than the call of duty beer drinking buddies. Lol
 

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