What is your main SHTF (Apocolypse) gun/plan?

Plan is dependant on whether I was home/how far from it, and whether I'd be initially solo, or would have a trusted friend/family member around. If bugging in, the m1a and .308 bolt guns would be my go to's, with the G34/MPX-k if I am walking the perimeter. If there were more trusted bodies on my side, or If I survived past when my .308/9mm ran out, then there are other "options".
 
During a hurricane in the 80's I monitored a islander ham in the Caribbean. He was living SHTF. While listening to the gunfire of looters in the background he explained he was sheltered in an undetectable area of his basement and could remain there for more than a week. Having found nothing of interest while digging through his house they had moved on.

I am dependent upon modern medicine. Short term less than 30 days I can manage by simply relying on the police and fire and rescue my prepper dollars have already purchased. Should they prove too slow or unable to respond in time to a threat of violence I remain self sufficient. Realistically no one but the professionals will do well beyond that time frame and no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.
 
MuzzleDiscipline said:
During a hurricane in the 80's I monitored a islander ham in the Caribbean. He was living SHTF. While listening to the gunfire of looters in the background he explained he was sheltered in an undetectable area of his basement and could remain there for more than a week. Having found nothing of interest while digging through his house they had moved on.

I am dependent upon modern medicine. Short term less than 30 days I can manage by simply relying on the police and fire and rescue my prepper dollars have already purchased. Should they prove too slow or unable to respond in time to a threat of violence I remain self sufficient. Realistically no one but the professionals will do well beyond that time frame and no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.
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Well if the shtf, my wife who's thyroid is gone is dead. I'm probably gonna be very irritable. However when things look crazy I stock up on the conveniences of life, tp. women's products. I know how to run a still. Me and my kin will do just fine.
 
This thread is worth the entertainment value alone. I think with the weight he meant 200 lbs with a bmi of 70 haha. Everyone knows there's goons out there of all sizes. There should be an nes identifier. Whether a morale patch or something else so when I end up in the crosshairs maaybee you won't shoot?
 
HorizontalHunter said:
Hence your user name?

Bob
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The BB gun(a Golden Eagle if memory serves me)was the first time.
The second time it was a .380 past my face by about six inches and just far enough away no powder burns. The screen name came later attributed to a range attendee after having been dressed down for muzzle flashing me.


I got very particular after that about who I was near when firearms are being handled and any lack of strict muzzlediscipline results in my absence with extreme prejudice.
 
desertr8der said:
This thread is worth the entertainment value alone. I think with the weight he meant 200 lbs with a bmi of 70 haha. Everyone knows there's goons out there of all sizes. There should be an nes identifier. Whether a morale patch or something else so when I end up in the crosshairs maaybee you won't shoot?
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Safety in a SHTF scenario would require first shot to be directed at anyone identifying as NES particularly with a patch.

:)
 
cams said:
Decide where you and your D&D friends and family are going to make your initial stand (IE: whose house) make that your rally point to meet up at. Have each member be responsible for a different sector of the house and stand firm on that. Make range cards for fields of fire from each sector and stick to them. Have one be the designated runner for ammo and first aid and whoever that is then needs to call out so another can also cover their sector of the house. Then designate a second for when that guy gets killed, etc down the line.

Check your surrounding areas outside and designate a fall back or roaming rally point for when your initial plan goes to shit. Everybody can meet up at that point and continue to fight on foot to whatever predesignated ORP (objective rally point) I know you’ve all thought about and pre-planned for.

Use a simple whistle to signal your friends, one blast for “rally on me as soon as you can, new plan” as dynamic situations are always evolving and changing, two blasts for evac any way you can we’re being burned out or overum and meet me at the first designated roaming rally point in 15mins. If they can’t make that point in the allotted time window they should automatically start making it the secondary rally point you’ve all plotted for, etc etc.

Set up a simple GOTWA card for whoever’s in charge of this cluster. So if you’re really missing someone from one of the rally points you’ll strike out to find them and leave a second in charge to stand fast at that RP.

Use this format:

G - where you’re going
O - others you’re taking with you
T - time you’re expected to return
W - what to do if you don’t return
A - actions to take upon contact (being shot at)

And for each of these roaming rally points you’ve pre-plotted, you’ll need to check the entire surrounding areas for known avenues of approach (streets/walking paths/etc) and plan to surveil and defend them the hardest) but not leave any other avenues of approach (heavily wooded or swamp areas) completely undefended, because it’s those routes that the professionals will be taking.

I could go on for days, but hopefully you get the point. There’s a whole lot more to this than just running around with a gun in one hand and a bottle of jack in the other if you actually want to survive it. Voodoo and wizards aside. Not a great plan in my opinion.

Just something to think about (the thought and training that some people actually put into these things to give themselves a better chance at surviving) and maybe motivate you into a long term actual plan of action to help you and your family get by. It is what it is. I’ll prolly be sitting home myself watching one last Pornhub episode or something before running out into the street naked with a rifle and jungle boots on. I’ve lived long enough already.
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Holy shit.

GOTWA. An acronym I never thought I’d see again...

In that spirit, OP, the short answer to your question is, “It’s METT-T dependent.” My plan involves a magical sword I found in a stone last week.
 
whacko said:
Heres the catch......it's not "elaborate". He just described army "infantry 101" at about the level what a staff sergeant (junior nco) would need.

I giggle sometimes when I read blogs and articles by "preppers" that think a few ar 15s, a few bug out bags, and a "pact" between their call of duty drinking buddies are gonna survive the apocolypse together. They'll be ok....until the pros show up.

By the way.....I'm no pro. I was an 11b for 6 years then finished my 25 years in logistics...... so have the basic of the basics of infantry tactics down...bit I'm old now. My knowledge would probably help me survive about 24 hours longer than the call of duty beer drinking buddies. Lol
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This. All of it.
 
MuzzleDiscipline said:
The BB gun(a Golden Eagle if memory serves me)was the first time.
The second time it was a .380 past my face by about six inches and just far enough away no powder burns. The screen name came later attributed to a range attendee after having been dressed down for muzzle flashing me.


I got very particular after that about who I was near when firearms are being handled and any lack of strict muzzlediscipline results in my absence with extreme prejudice.
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That would do it.


Bob
 
Varmint said:
I thought that was due to their obsession with capturing hills?
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IKR. Unfortunately I think that obsession comes from some desk in DC who’s going home that night, not the boots on the ground that will fight for it and then be told it’s no good and leave it.
 
Picton said:
Holy shit.

GOTWA. An acronym I never thought I’d see again...

In that spirit, OP, the short answer to your question is, “It’s METT-T dependent.” My plan involves a magical sword I found in a stone last week.
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Got news flash for ya

It's now METT-TC

mission, enemy, terrain, troops available, time, and civilian considerations.

Throw in a little oakocc to decide what areas or features are necessary to defend....and maybe we can be friends. (Observation and Fields of fire, Avenues of approach, Key terrain, Obstacles and movement, Cover and concealment.)
 
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Picton said:
Holy shit.

GOTWA. An acronym I never thought I’d see again...

In that spirit, OP, the short answer to your question is, “It’s METT-T dependent.” My plan involves a magical sword I found in a stone last week.
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I thought about throwing in some OCOKA and METT-T (- the C, we’re all civilians now) but he’s already drinking from a fire hose and prolly mixing up some kinda magic.

ETA: Damn, Whacko beat me to it by 2 minutes.
 
cams said:
I thought about throwing in some OCOKA and METT-T (- the C, we’re all civilians now) but he’s already drinking from a fire hose and prolly mixing up some kinda magic.

ETA: Damn, Whacko beat me to it by 2 minutes.
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Hahaha!!!!!! If we start using the 8 troop leading proceedures to write a 5 paragraph opord we can be more than just friends.
cams said:
I thought about throwing in some OCOKA and METT-T (- the C, we’re all civilians now) but he’s already drinking from a fire hose and prolly mixing up some kinda magic.

ETA: Damn, Whacko beat me to it by 2 minutes.
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If we start using the 8 troop leading proceedures to write a 5 paragraph opord we can be more than just friends.
 

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