Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges: A 25-year-old man running through a Georgia neighborhood ended up dead

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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
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Add their friend drinving on the wrong side of the road, recording, chaising him down. Hate crime. Conspiracy.

We will hear it all before this case makes it back from the jurors.
 
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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
At what point does a confrontation become an assault and warrant self-defense? That seems to be the million-dollar question. Will be interesting to see this one play out for sure.
 

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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)
No.

Not even remotely. It's assault, as opposed to battery, once they "confront." Aggravated, since it's with a firearm. In Georgia, an assault occurs when someone "commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury."

You also conveniently forgot the part where they impeded his progress. Not just once, either.
 
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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
Legal open carry has nothing to do with this case, he could have had a baseball bat, hammer or knife which also can be “open carried” but people can also perceive that as threatening. If someone was walking towards me with a hammer and telling me to stop get over here, you think I have to wait till he bludgeons me with It.
 

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Funny thing is, it's MM the elder himself who leaked the video. This story may have just died had he not. Oops!
The fact the McNugget Sr. had the video in order to leak, puts the lie to Roddie's claim that he didn't know them and had nothing to do with it, but was just an innocent witness.

Double oops!
 
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He said he didn't know them? In the original police report MM the elder called him by name "Roddy", saying he tried to block AA. So there's that two. He probably should have coordinated his story with them in the months they had...better. Triple oopsie daisy!
 

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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
You can keep trying to boil it down to that, but it's not.

The armed confrontation, after a chase, with disparity of force, was an attempted false imprisonment, which is a felony, which is illegal.

Attempting to defend oneself against that crime is not illegal.

Using deadly force in that case is not legal.
 

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You can keep trying to boil it down to that, but it's not.

The armed confrontation, after a chase, with disparity of force, was an attempted false imprisonment, which is a felony, which is illegal.

Attempting to defend oneself against that crime is not illegal.

Using deadly force in that case is not legal.
If this case boils down to what YOU JUST SAID...

And, if there is no exculpatory evidence that helps MM...

MM should take a plea for manslaughter - 5 years.


I think tons more will come out in the trial, however.

BUT- for the sake of discussion - if it was that simple - taking a plea could save MM from a much longer sentence.

Two things are happening at the same time here:

1. Videos of AA looking bad.

2. MM and Co. stories not looking good.


If both those things are equal, it will be even.

This trial is going to be epic.

So far I have learned a lot to keep me out of trouble.
I put myself in MM position and in AA position.

I can say with confidence that this will never happen to me.

I'll never chase down a suspected robber (that's easy not to do) and I don't think I'd challenge two guys with guns when unarmed.
Hind sight is 20/20, though.
 

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The fact the McNugget Sr. had the video in order to leak, puts the lie to Roddie's claim that he didn't know them and had nothing to do with it, but was just an innocent witness.

Double oops!
William “Roddie” Bryan also been arrested and charged with felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment.

And: “Other videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case will not be released until trial or when the investigation into Arbery’s death is finished. Action News Jax learned another video showing a second angle in Arbery’s shooting was taken.”
 

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William “Roddie” Bryan also been arrested and charged with felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment.

And: “Other videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case will not be released until trial or when the investigation into Arbery’s death is finished. Action News Jax learned another video showing a second angle in Arbery’s shooting was taken.”
Who the heck took that video?

That should be very telling combined with the first video.
 

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Funny thing is, it's MM the elder himself who leaked the video. This story may have just died had he not. Oops!
I didn't know that. They ain't bright individuals, are they??? As evidenced of his LE career. At the end, he couldn't carry a gun nor drive a LE vehicle. ROFL!!!

What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
According to GA law - NO. That isn't. Even in "Free" Georgia, you still can't wander up a street with a shotgun and attempt to stop a man.



And is has this been mentioned yet?


I might start referring to the MM's as The Gomers. LOL
 
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All this "what if" reminds me of the guy we all wanted to beat the snot out of at training in the military. You all know that guy that always had to twist up the regulation, procedure or doctrine that the instructor was trying to teach. Same principal here, the law and the elements of crime are what will matter, not conjecture and feelings. I'm done till it's on court tv...............
 
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