Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges: A 25-year-old man running through a Georgia neighborhood ended up dead

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Only black men have veins like that which pulsate and throb.
Hundreds of little white girls in porn would agree with that statement. LOL


Here was an interesting take. I catch these usually if they are short enough. The guy is just painfully slow. This was as well. But brought to light some of the backdrop of Glynn Cty and the prosecutors and such, as well as the Sr. McMichael. It looks like a cluster-bleep all around before it even started.


Its long. And much of it is rehash. But this is a guy who grades interactions for a youtube living.

(His best one was the local cop that arrested the FBI agent who was trying to interview him about corruption in the department. FBI couldn't say that while on his vest-cam so he was evasive. Ended in dozens of police and the FBI guy faking some sort of attack to get out.)
 

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What about the case of the father who killed the pedophile and confessed on FB? Do the prior actions of the pedo mean anything? At the time the father killed the pedo he wasn't actually diddling any kids. He was just a convicted pedo with kids toys in his yard and staring at a group of children. Since prior behavior means nothing, does that mean the father should get the death penalty?

The public is getting Trayvonned hard on this one. I'm sure its coincidence a 3 month old shooting is now everywhere while the Obama/Clinton machine is getting caught spying on Trump. Covid-19 and another Trayvonesque story, the distractions are all going according to plan...
Oh yeah. Equating child rape to walking around in a construction site. The strawman is becoming strong with this thread.
 
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But this is a guy who grades interactions for a youtube living.
This channel rated cops who arrested a guy and seized his camera, then drove him out of the town because they didn’t like him exercising free speech a ‘B-’. It has no credibility. That they make YouTube videos is not a qualification, so I’d caution you into putting much weight into their videos.
 

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What about the case of the father who killed the pedophile and confessed on FB? Do the prior actions of the pedo mean anything? At the time the father killed the pedo he wasn't actually diddling any kids. He was just a convicted pedo with kids toys in his yard and staring at a group of children. Since prior behavior means nothing, does that mean the father should get the death penalty?
Minga.
At the behest of the MADOC, NHDOC and federal BOP, I administered polygraphs to many a convicted sexual offender who was out on parole. A reviled underclass to be sure. Some such offenders, child molesters in particular, indeed live in abject fear of their lives.
 

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From NY Post and others: investigators have more video than the 36 seconds released in public.

“Slain jogger Ahmaud Arbery was chased through a Georgia neighborhood for more than four minutes before he was confronted and shot dead, an attorney for his family said Monday.”
 
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This channel rated cops who arrested a guy and seized his camera, then drove him out of the town because they didn’t like him exercising free speech a ‘B-’. It has no credibility. That they make YouTube videos is not a qualification, so I’d caution you into putting much weight into their videos.
You're making my point - he's not one of these "all cops are bad, um'kay?" YT'ers. Not a knee-jerk "the cops are bad" sort of site. The "McMichaels did nothing wrong and they should have shot him 3-4 more times" camp can't come back and say this guy is biased against cops. It's not that type of channel - even though MOST of the interactions he reviews are cops doing bonehead stuff.
 

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even though MOST of the interactions he reviews are cops doing bonehead stuff.
In fairness to cops, the majority of police interactions are probably benign and don't wind up with the recording posted to YT for this dude to review. I'd say most of the cop interactions that end up on YT probably ARE cops doing bonehead stuff.
 

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A prosecutor argued that the pursuers should not be arrested.
BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Ahmaud Arbery loved to run. It was how the 25-year-old former high school football standout stayed fit, his friends said, and it was not unusual to see him running around the outskirts of the small coastal Georgia city near where he lived.
But on a Sunday afternoon in February, as Mr. Arbery ran through a suburban neighborhood of ranch houses and moss-draped oaks, he passed a man standing in his front yard, who later told the police that Mr. Arbery looked like the suspect in a string of break-ins.
According to a police report, the man, Gregory McMichael, 64, called out to his son, Travis McMichael, 34. They grabbed their weapons, a .357 magnum revolver and a shotgun, jumped into a truck and began following Mr. Arbery.
“Stop, stop,” they shouted at Mr. Arbery, “we want to talk to you.”
Moments later, after a struggle over the shotgun, Mr. Arbery was killed, shot at least twice.

I felt the same way when watching the video and Georgia is a very different regulated state than Massachusetts and the man shouldn’t of died but check this video out. View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=sjCzJyFKoqo
 
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I felt the same way when watching the video and Georgia is a very different regulated state than Massachusetts and the man shouldn’t of died but check this video out.
Point of contention. He says that Gregory McMichael said he saw him in the house on the 911 call. Is that accurate though? There were two 911 calls. The second was from McMichael, and he definitely does not say that. The first was from someone else, though I haven't been able to find out who. That caller does indeed say he saw the guy inside the house, but it's not Gregory McMichael.

So he talks about just going by the facts, but doesn't provide the 911 call and misstates who says what on the 911 call. Because he is correct, they need immediate knowledge for a citizens arrest. If they had that, it does change things greatly. But as far as the available facts go, they did not. The neighbor did, most definitely.
 
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An additional note of fact: There is now also security footage showing other people also walking into that property, including even a couple that same day.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Bk6VegqRg


I do wish they would show the whole video from him inside the house instead of just a few seconds. It would definitely help tell whether he was just curious or up to something else.
 

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Point of contention. He says that Gregory McMichael said he saw him in the house on the 911 call. Is that accurate though? There were two 911 calls. The second was from McMichael, and he definitely does not say that. The first was from someone else, though I haven't been able to find out who. That caller does indeed say he saw the guy inside the house, but it's not Gregory McMichael.

So he talks about just going by the facts, but doesn't provide the 911 call and misstates who says what on the 911 call. Because he is correct, they need immediate knowledge for a citizens arrest. If they had that, it does change things greatly. But as far as the available facts go, they did not. The neighbor did, most definitely.
Agreed, race is still an issue, we see it here in Massachusetts. The man shouldn’t of died but as of now in this case there is literally nothing that they can be tried of for all we know, which is crappy.
 

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An additional note of fact: There is now also security footage showing other people also walking into that property, including even a couple that same day.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Bk6VegqRg


I do wish they would show the whole video from him inside the house instead of just a few seconds. It would definitely help tell whether he was just curious or up to something else.
The guy shouldn’t of died for it regardless. Materials can be replaced and jail time can be done. The only thing that killed me was when he jumped toward the gun.. he’d probably still be here if he didn’t do that. That gave them a reason to use them.
 

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I felt the same way when watching the video and Georgia is a very different regulated state than Massachusetts and the man shouldn’t of died but check this video out. View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=sjCzJyFKoqo
Interesting. When he's showing the first clip and saying that AA is walking the seconds on the video are slow, but when he says AA is sprinting the seconds speed up. So the video timing has been altered to support what he is saying.
And again at 2:12:24 surveillance video time, there is another 10sec skip just when Mr. "Former Cop" is saying AA "bolted" from the house. More video alterd to support his narrative.
He states that he knows AA's intent, even though there is no evidence that he intended to steal anything. In fact they have reported that he was in the house (as other had been) before and nothing was taken. It seems AA had ample opportunity to steal. This plus AA not stealing anything is a much better indicator of intent.
He then conflate the 2 separate 911 calls into a single call by a single person, but if you listen to the actual calls, it's two different people and the reports confirm this.

He says to do our research, but it's him that is presenting altered video, presenting his opinion as fact, and not even getting the 911 calls right.
But for me it's the altered video to support his narrative that's really bad.
 

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The guy shouldn’t of died for it regardless. Materials can be replaced and jail time can be done. The only thing that killed me was when he jumped toward the gun.. he’d probably still be here if he didn’t do that. That gave them a reason to use them.
Maybe, then again maybe their murderous intentions were clear to him and he decided to try and fight for his life instead of sheepishly waiting for them to finish him off.
 

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What about the case of the father who killed the pedophile and confessed on FB? Do the prior actions of the pedo mean anything? At the time the father killed the pedo he wasn't actually diddling any kids. He was just a convicted pedo with kids toys in his yard and staring at a group of children. Since prior behavior means nothing, does that mean the father should get the death penalty?

Even when Gary Plauche blew away the guy that kidnapped and diddled his kid when the perp came through the airport, he still had to suck for a conviction because he was still legally in the
wrong for executing the guy. The prosecution/judge just set it up to make it so he sucked for a conviction but got rid of most of the prison time. They had to do it that way
because they knew that was the only way the jury would suck for convicting him if it went to full trial.

Same thing would happen with this faceplant guy. If I remember correctly in CA a victim went back many years later and executed the guy that
abused him. I think he still got prosecuted too, but they nulled out the jail time because nobody would suck for it otherwise.

Otherwise this is a shitty strawman compared to this situation, regardless, not that it actually matters, in a legal sense. The "jar of gnomish mysticism that allows legal justification to stop a guy with deadly force, only for being suspicious in their neighborhood" simply doesn't exist, so you probably should stop looking for it.

This isn't like Trayvon etc at all either. FTR even if I think Zimmerman is an idiot, I think he was legally defensible in his actions, in the context in which they
occurred. These guys? What they did is a complete and total shit show compared to Zimmerman. The only way they're walking here is if there is some kind of technicality that renders the whole thing invalid, which is unlikely. They probably will knock the charges down to Man 1/2 or something. I don't think murder is going to fly here. They might be talking
about it to sound tough but it's not realistic.

Also as far as media BS etc? Nobody is really paying attention to this crap outside of the ginned up outrage on faceplant and an occasional news
sidebar used to gin up race baiting BS. I won't disagree on that, that they will use those things opportunistically to try to drive some
narrative, but a violent retard conference between two idiots and an assumed to be thug isn't drawing much sympathy from the public at large, just screeching splinter groups.
 

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The "jar of gnomish mysticism that allows legal justification to stop a guy with deadly force, only for being suspicious in their neighborhood" simply doesn't exist, so you probably should stop looking for it.
QFT. And phrased well, too.
 

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Even when Gary Plauche blew away the guy that kidnapped and diddled his kid when the perp came through the airport, he still had to suck for a conviction because he was still legally in the
wrong for executing the guy. The prosecution/judge just set it up to make it so he sucked for a conviction but got rid of most of the prison time. They had to do it that way
because they knew that was the only way the jury would suck for convicting him if it went to full trial.

Same thing would happen with this faceplant guy. If I remember correctly in CA a victim went back many years later and executed the guy that
abused him. I think he still got prosecuted too, but they nulled out the jail time because nobody would suck for it otherwise.

Otherwise this is a shitty strawman compared to this situation, regardless, not that it actually matters, in a legal sense. The "jar of gnomish mysticism that allows legal justification to stop a guy with deadly force, only for being suspicious in their neighborhood" simply doesn't exist, so you probably should stop looking for it.

This isn't like Trayvon etc at all either. FTR even if I think Zimmerman is an idiot, I think he was legally defensible in his actions, in the context in which they
occurred. These guys? What they did is a complete and total shit show compared to Zimmerman. The only way they're walking here is if there is some kind of technicality that renders the whole thing invalid, which is unlikely. They probably will knock the charges down to Man 1/2 or something. I don't think murder is going to fly here. They might be talking
about it to sound tough but it's not realistic.

Also as far as media BS etc? Nobody is really paying attention to this crap outside of the ginned up outrage on faceplant and an occasional news
sidebar used to gin up race baiting BS. I won't disagree on that, that they will use those things opportunistically to try to drive some
narrative, but a violent retard conference between two idiots and an assumed to be thug isn't drawing much sympathy from the public at large, just screeching splinter groups.
Nailed it. Most normal people can see through the idea that this kid was a 'jogger' and the idea that these two clowns hunting him are good citizens doing gods work. Neither is true.
 

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If holding someone of suspicion of burglary at gunpoint, and the suspect goes for the gun, he’s getting shot.
He was being held for suspicion of being black.

This whole event happened because he was a black man, and therefore automatically sub human having less rights and respect than a white person.
 

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Ahmaud Arbery case: Georgia man who recorded deadly shooting arrested on charges including felony murder

William "Roddie" Bryan Jr., the man who recorded the deadly February shooting of Georgiajogger Ahmaud Arbery, has been arrested on charges of felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation [GBI] announced Thursday night.


Bryan will be booked into the Glynn County jail.

The death of Arbery, an unarmed black man, was thrust into the national spotlight after cellphone video recorded by Bryan surfaced on social media, prompting outrage against local law enforcement.

For over 10 weeks after the Feb. 23 shooting, the investigation idled as the Glynn County Police Department largely looked the other way, critics said. Calls for justice grew after the video was leaked.

Bryan, the 50-year-old neighbor of Gregory and Travis McMichael, a white father and son accused of murdering Arbery, has changed his story multiple times since the video of the shooting came out. However, he has always maintained his innocence.


"Why would you videotape it? Why didn't he do anything to help? Why didn't he reach out right after the shooting? Why did he only come forward after the video was leaked?" she said during a telephone interview.
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The questions above don't amount to murder.
 
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The questions above don't amount to murder.
Felony murder.

Him and the older MM, who obviously didn't murder AA as they aren't the one's who pulled the trigger, are being charged with felony murder, which states:

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

The basis being them chasing AA up and down the street constitutes aggravated assault and/or false imprisonment, which are felonies. This conduct led to AA's death, therefore they are responsible for his death while committing a felony, hence the felony murder charge. Whether it holds water or not, I guess we'll see.
 
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Bonesinium stated: "they need immediate knowledge for a citizens arrest. If they had that, it does change things greatly."
There is no way they had ANY firsthand observed evidence/knowledge of ANY FELONY committed by Arbery.

71Montess stated; "If holding someone of suspicion of burglary at gunpoint, and the suspect goes for the gun, he’s getting shot."
Certainly in the case of a police officer who is lawfully present and detaining a suspect with PC that IS the suspect. Those two private citizens were not acting under color of law.

Now the GBI has arrested Roddie Bryan and charged him with murder and attempt to commit false imprisonment. See you in court
 

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The 4+ plus of video has not been released to the public yet: just the 36 second clip. According to one report the McMichaels tried to stop him multiple times, and he evaded them. All conjecture right now.
And that does not help the McNuggets' case, at all.

"We were chasing this guy, with guns, and he had the uppity nerve to run away!"
 

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What if this case was boiled down to this...

Two men confront AA with a open carried shot gun. (Legal so far right?)

AA tries to steal the gun. (Illegal)

MM defends himself. (Legal?)

It seems to me that the case boils down to that.
 
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