Range pet peeves

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Ive only ever had two things that have bothered me at the range, one was being given a hard time when I first joined (I was 21 and the youngest member...people thought I was somehow sneeking in or something , despite the electric access gate) but that a long story, and extream arragance when it comes to one gun being "better" than another. not enough to cause any problem, just an annoyance. WEnt with my Grandfather to his club, and I was getting ready to leave the and some guy there starts off: "*looks at my M39 Mosin* THOSE old Russian things cant hit anything, you want accuracy you need one of these" It was a scoped heavy barrel bolt gun, I cant remember what kind. I didnt say anything, just sat down, ajusted the tangent, and took a shot. A few seconds later comes the nice crisp CLANG came from the 3x3 steel plate at 500 meters. Gave him a smile and finished cleaning up.
 
Preachers Sheets said:
People who turn their rifle or pistol sideways when taking out a magazine or locking the bolt/slide back. Not cool.....not cool at all hahaha.
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How about clearing a jammed round, and turning their pistol sideways while doing this, and in the process is sweeping BOTH of my kids!!! REALLY NOT cool!!! So shocked I didn't know what to say.......
 
keylimes said:
How about clearing a jammed round, and turning their pistol sideways while doing this, and in the process is sweeping BOTH of my kids!!! REALLY NOT cool!!! So shocked I didn't know what to say.......
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How about "run kids, run!"
 
About the only thing that bugs me is people that do seriously stupid violations of safety rules (sweeping, running down range when the range is hot, shooting themselves in the foot and blaming the guns, etc) and people leaving the range a mess. Damn near any other issue can be defused with the appropriate social skills.
 
But why pick it all up when you can just sweep it all of the concrete onto the dirt? I hate that just cause its a small .22 doesn't mean you don't have to clean up.

I also love the self "appointed range boss" at my club there is a guy that goes to shoot with his obnoxiously annoying wife. Well evidently he reloads his own ammo and isn't very good at it or uses very old, bad components. So every time he gets any type of malfunction (stove pipe, jam, fail to fire) she feels the need to walk up and down the line announcing it at the top of her lungs and trying to get the line to go cold. Why I don't know. If I show up and this lovely pair are there shooting I go home. She doesn't even shoot just stands there leaning on a post with her arms crossed shouting orders.

Then there is his buddy that is sometimes with him who brings half of a sporting goods store full of crap like he is going to be there for three days spreads it out over three shooting benches and shoots 1 round through the chrono takes out the brass puts it away stands up checks and notes results and repeats. this whole process takes no less than 15mins per round. Then looks over at me unloading high cap after high cap through my ARs or M1As in disgust (how dare you, who needs anything other than a bolt gun no need). One day I pull up while the line is cold and people are down range I back my truck up and start to take things out, my target then some locked cases. Well when he sees this starts screaming at me about handling weapons while people are down range. So I argue back what is the difference in unloading a locked case while the line is hot or cold? I am not touching the weapon in any way I am just taking a locked case out of my truck and putting it on a table. Even if the line was hot I would still be behind these people while doing it. I am all for safety I don't want anyone handling weapons and ammo while I am down range but as far as I know a case isn't a dangerous weapon last I checked.
 
Brian5582 said:
I also love the self "appointed range boss" at my club there is a guy that goes to shoot with his obnoxiously annoying wife. Well evidently he reloads his own ammo and isn't very good at it or uses very old, bad components. So every time he gets any type of malfunction (stove pipe, jam, fail to fire) she feels the need to walk up and down the line announcing it at the top of her lungs and trying to get the line to go cold. Why I don't know. If I show up and this lovely pair are there shooting I go home. She doesn't even shoot just stands there leaning on a post with her arms crossed shouting orders.

Then there is his buddy that is sometimes with him who brings half of a sporting goods store full of crap like he is going to be there for three days spreads it out over three shooting benches and shoots 1 round through the chrono takes out the brass puts it away stands up checks and notes results and repeats. this whole process takes no less than 15mins per round. Then looks over at me unloading high cap after high cap through my ARs or M1As in disgust (how dare you, who needs anything other than a bolt gun no need). One day I pull up while the line is cold and people are down range I back my truck up and start to take things out, my target then some locked cases. Well when he sees this starts screaming at me about handling weapons while people are down range. So I argue back what is the difference in unloading a locked case while the line is hot or cold? I am not touching the weapon in any way I am just taking a locked case out of my truck and putting it on a table. Even if the line was hot I would still be behind these people while doing it. I am all for safety I don't want anyone handling weapons and ammo while I am down range but as far as I know a case isn't a dangerous weapon last I checked.
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Sounds like a couple of people that need to be advised they are serving nice hot cups of STFU at the vending machine. Seriously, I have no patience for or interest in being diplomatic with A-holes like these [banghead]
 
Don't walk up behind me with the gun pointed at my back to offer to let me shoot it. I don't care if it's unloaded and the action is open. Holster it, approach me, say excuse me, and then lets talk. Give me a break!
 
a new one today: I was shooting and a person just stands behind me while I am shooting. Once I finish my second mag, the guy proceeds to tell me how to fix the fact that I am a little bit off center (but my grouping was very tight). He tells me he saw what to do to fix it on that handgun shooting wheel that tells you what your grouping means, yet he didnt bother to realize I shoot lefty and his advice was bad. Leave me alone, dumbass.
 
I RO a couple days a week. We get all kinds in there. The only ones who bother me are the people who think they know everything and try to justify their safety violation that I just corrected. I really don't give a rat's ass why you muzzle swept me, or why you insist it was safe for you to do that.
 
"NO RAPID FIRE" because I unloaded a 20 round mag into a 50 yd target offhand. It's not like I was missing.
 
whatluck said:
"NO RAPID FIRE" because I unloaded a 20 round mag into a 50 yd target offhand. It's not like I was missing.
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Did the guy come up to you like yosemite sam and go "YEEEEEEEW BOYYYY IS RAPID FIRIN!!!!! CUT THAT OUT!" and then steam comes out of his ears, and then he jumps up and down while firing his single action revolvers at the ground?

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A friend of mine used an indoor range in CA that had a similar range nazi kind of rule. All his shots were going on the target, but the nazi still came out and said "no raaaaaapid firin! only one shot every X seconds" (I forget what X was). Well, then my friend proceeded to fire at exactly X seconds between shots, and somehow this also made range nazi disapprove and whine. He finished off the last mag, very slowly, packed up his stuff and got the hell out of there.

-Mike
 
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whatluck said:
"NO RAPID FIRE" because I unloaded a 20 round mag into a 50 yd target offhand. It's not like I was missing.
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I'm guessing BR&P here! [frown]

If so, ask the RO to point out exactly where it says that in the range rules (he should have the booklet with him)? [wink] There is NO SUCH RULE!

Now that said, there are a few ROs that are a Royal PITA and makes rules (like that) up. It's been discussed at RO Meetings and the CRO's policy (and thus the club's policy) is that if the person is "on target", no issue . . . if they are spraying every which way, hitting the dirt in front or directly behind hte target then the RO is to get them to slow down until they can repeatedly hit the target. It's a RANGE SAFETY issue not a "too fast, too much noise issue".

However, in spite of the fact that I'm an RO at BR&P, there are some ROs that I will avoid like the plague if they are on duty. I had a student last month and outdoors would have been perfect for hte training. I took a walk up and when I saw who was on duty, I instantly decided that I'd have the student shoot indoors instead. Other ROs are of the same opinion wrt the particular RO I have in mind.

Sorry if that was your experience, but I'd drop a note in the CRO's box (by the bulletin board) about the incident and have him again do a little teaching for the RO involved.
 
LenS said:
I'm guessing BR&P here! [frown]

If so, ask the RO to point out exactly where it says that in the range rules (he should have the booklet with him)? [wink] There is NO SUCH RULE!

Now that said, there are a few ROs that are a Royal PITA and makes rules (like that) up. It's been discussed at RO Meetings and the CRO's policy (and thus the club's policy) is that if the person is "on target", no issue . . . if they are spraying every which way, hitting the dirt in front or directly behind hte target then the RO is to get them to slow down until they can repeatedly hit the target. It's a RANGE SAFETY issue not a "too fast, too much noise issue".

However, in spite of the fact that I'm an RO at BR&P, there are some ROs that I will avoid like the plague if they are on duty. I had a student last month and outdoors would have been perfect for hte training. I took a walk up and when I saw who was on duty, I instantly decided that I'd have the student shoot indoors instead. Other ROs are of the same opinion wrt the particular RO I have in mind.

Sorry if that was your experience, but I'd drop a note in the CRO's box (by the bulletin board) about the incident and have him again do a little teaching for the RO involved.
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No, it wasn't an RO, it was some old guy kinda like what Dr. Grant described. In his defense, my Stag has one of those MA compliant tank brakes that blow crap all over the 3 people on either side of me on the line.
 
whatluck said:
No, it wasn't an RO, it was some old guy kinda like what Dr. Grant described. In his defense, my Stag has one of those MA compliant tank brakes that blow crap all over the 3 people on either side of me on the line.
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Always carry your rulebook with you, that way you can shut up any ninny that starts about rapid-fire with you.

Sorry, but you won't win any friends with a nasty brake on any gun. I recall shooting one day up at Tyngsboro when Tiny shot his S&W 500 (factory ammo) . . . the concussive gases hit us thru the Westinghouse partition separating the firing stations. [laugh] My Wife and I both backed out of our firing station until he finished shooting. Another time someone was shooting hte 500 on the BR&P old indoor range, I could feel the concussion 3 bays over. EVERYONE backed away and stopped shooting until he was done. They didn't violate any rules, but standing to the side you get hit with all sorts of nasty hot gases and I'd suspect that any shavings have potential for damage there as well.
 
LenS said:
Always carry your rulebook with you, that way you can shut up any ninny that starts about rapid-fire with you.

Sorry, but you won't win any friends with a nasty brake on any gun. I recall shooting one day up at Tyngsboro when Tiny shot his S&W 500 (factory ammo) . . . the concussive gases hit us thru the Westinghouse partition separating the firing stations. [laugh] My Wife and I both backed out of our firing station until he finished shooting. Another time someone was shooting hte 500 on the BR&P old indoor range, I could feel the concussion 3 bays over. EVERYONE backed away and stopped shooting until he was done. They didn't violate any rules, but standing to the side you get hit with all sorts of nasty hot gases and I'd suspect that any shavings have potential for damage there as well.
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I have a feeling that most of the people at BRP would not want to attend a car shoot. I like the noise, though. It's something else for me to tune out.
 
whatluck said:
I have a feeling that most of the people at BRP would not want to attend a car shoot. I like the noise, though. It's something else for me to tune out.
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I'm a member of BRP, it's an odd club....lots of rules. I feel like the closer to the the city you shoot the more rules you have to follow. I love the idiots who built the condo's right outside the range then started complaining about the noise.

I'd love to go to a car shoot and a machine gun shoot, and shoot a Sherman tank main gun!
 
Preachers Sheets said:
I feel like the closer to the the city you shoot the more rules you have to follow.
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An analogy to civilization... As population density increase, along with more disease and crime, you get more rules, because your personal space and liberty starts to overlap badly with your neighbors....

Which is why sheeplism, socialism, progressivism thrive in cities. They are accustomed to ceding their personal space and liberties, so what's one more inch into their life?

Some of it is out of necessity of confined spaces... If there is an occupied building behind your berm, well, all the liberty in the world won't change the physics of the situation...

That said, a lot of it is just the culture of living on top of one-another...
 
Preachers Sheets said:
I'm a member of BRP, it's an odd club....lots of rules. I feel like the closer to the the city you shoot the more rules you have to follow. I love the idiots who built the condo's right outside the range then started complaining about the noise.

I'd love to go to a car shoot and a machine gun shoot, and shoot a Sherman tank main gun!
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He is an idiot! Not only did he build the condos that were just woods beside the br&p, but also he built a huge housing development of homes right across the street in an area that used to be just woods.
 
Conservativegirl said:
He is an idiot! Not only did he build the condos that were just woods beside the br&p, but also he built a huge housing development of homes right across the street in an area that used to be just woods.
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He is a businessman. Idiots bought these condos and then started complaining about the noise and scary guns being unloaded from the vehicles.
 
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