I bet you were the guy that wrote the Ryans Steakhouse incident?
-Mike
One of the funniest things I ever read.
http://www.milehighfan.com/2009/09/06/the-ryan-steakhouse-story/
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I bet you were the guy that wrote the Ryans Steakhouse incident?
-Mike
While we're at it let's not forget this part of the RSA's....
In NH you can also use deadly force against arsonists. So if some POS is trying to burn your house down, you can shoot him.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxii/627/627-7.htm
-Mike
II. A person is justified in using deadly force upon another person when he reasonably believes that such other person:
(a) Is about to use unlawful, deadly force against the actor or a third person;
(b) Is likely to use any unlawful force against a person present while committing or attempting to commit a burglary;
(c) Is committing or about to commit kidnapping or a forcible sex offense; or
(d) Is likely to use any unlawful force in the commission of a felony against the actor within such actor's dwelling or its curtilage
If some POS is trying to burn my house down (and Myself or my family is in it), it falls under A and D. Fire can be just as deadly as a gun, knife, etc. While it is nice NH spelled it out in a separate RSA, I still feel as though it falls under section 627 IMHO.
Well said, dude.Love this thread! Full of win!
My 2 cents, and I have thought about this, with gun, with threat of gun, with knife, with threat of knife, etc. It's all the same to me. I figure I have ONE tactical advantage and ONE chance to use it, that's the fake compliance while slowly reaching for the wallet/gun.
"Hey, hey, ok! You can have my wallet, I'll even give you my pin number, whatever you want, whatever you want" as you slowly reach for the gun and then -- bang
that's it. The only response I will have for ANY scenario involving a mugging with a deadly weapon, seen or implied.
You don't have to be a quick draw for this. You get to take your sweet time retrieving your gun because mugger thinks you're retrieving wallet.
What the hell are you going to do if you DO give up your wallet, hand it to him, now your hands are in front of you, he pulls out the gun he told you he had and says "On your knees bitch!"? What then? You have gone from tactical advantage to about to die, for what???
Question for anyone on the "shoot first, ask questions later" side of the argument: The BG says he has a gun, and asks for money. You pull your gun and blast away. When the echos die down, you dial 911.
What happens if the cops don't find a deadly weapon on the BG? You con't have ANY evidence you were threatened.
It's almost as bad if the cops find a deadly weapon, but it's still in his pocket.
I don't have money to throw around, but I do have bullets for that purpose....Well, someone here advocated having 10 dollars on a cheap money clip to use as "throw away" cash.
I've got more than $10 of ammo in my mag - if I empty it into them and they fall down - does that count?I don't have money to throw around, but I do have bullets for that purpose....
Love this thread! Full of win!
My 2 cents, and I have thought about this, with gun, with threat of gun, with knife, with threat of knife, etc. It's all the same to me. I figure I have ONE tactical advantage and ONE chance to use it, that's the fake compliance while slowly reaching for the wallet/gun.
"Hey, hey, ok! You can have my wallet, I'll even give you my pin number, whatever you want, whatever you want" as you slowly reach for the gun and then -- bang
that's it. The only response I will have for ANY scenario involving a mugging with a deadly weapon, seen or implied.
You don't have to be a quick draw for this. You get to take your sweet time retrieving your gun because mugger thinks you're retrieving wallet.
What the hell are you going to do if you DO give up your wallet, hand it to him, now your hands are in front of you, he pulls out the gun he told you he had and says "On your knees bitch!"? What then? You have gone from tactical advantage to about to die, for what???
I've got more than $10 of ammo in my mag - if I empty it into them and they fall down - does that count?
Driver carries less than $20 worth of ammo.
Kill the bastard and leave.
Dont call the cops. Dont wait around for them. Save you alot of headaches
If he mugged you, there were probably no witnesses in the area either.
bad guy just becomes another random victim found on the street
The thing is, there will be some witness who you didn't see.I hate these ccw hypotheticals.
But this reply has a certain visceral appeal. If only it could be so, every time ...
Unlike the teachings of Yeager - those are more serious works for the discerning low-drag operator....
Hey, I rock the office chair and couch like no one else in this world...Don't be a hater just because you aren't a switched on warrior.
You don't have time to think of legal ramifications of drawing your weapon, that should be all worked out way before carrying. If someone threatens you with a weapon and you question weather you should draw? Those are lost seconds and you will be dead. The bottom line is if you carry you should be 100% willing to use it.
MUGGER: Give me your wallet. I have a gun.
ME: Does it look like this?
In order to survive, you need to be tough, but you also need to be smart...Just remember the best weapon you have sits in the holster between your ears, not the tool on your hip.
Although I agree with the above statement. I think that alot of us who carry tend to automatically think the answer to a life threatening attack is to shoot the person. The gun is just one of the tools we have and it's not always the best tool.
I have several tool I carry daily.
1. Verbal / avoidance / awareness
2. Hands / feet
3. flashlight
4. oc
5. firearm
If the person with the gun was 18'' from my face I would be better off using my hands and my training in Martial arts than I would be to try and draw a j-frame from my front pocket. If I had a pen in my hand I might be better off using that and could probably take control of the situation alot faster.
We have a buffet of tools to use and we can choose whatever one may be the best at the time. If my answer to a personal attack was to shoot first I would have already shot a few people.
Hobbit, just blast 'em we can work out the details later...$10 in a throwaway wallet? but but it's the only wallet i have and it's my last $10 [sad2] wait hold on a minute, you mean people actually have more than $10 now a days? and more than one wallet? boy am i living in the past, or is it the future?
these days i get confused so easily don't you know......
Hobbit, just blast 'em we can work out the details later...
Cool down guys. Someone want me money they can have it. I am not going to shoot someone if I don't have to.
The thing is, there will be some witness who you didn't see.
Personally I won't post what I would do or wouldn't do, because it could be held against me in a court of law.