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ASP colapsable batons in MA
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It is fine until you "breech the peace"
Basically, just leave it at home. Keep a maglite in the car, they work better anyway.
Basically, just leave it at home. Keep a maglite in the car, they work better anyway.
my wife has one in her minivan from my old kit. Somehow I ended up with a couple of them
Edited to add: We live in NH. Sorry
Edited to add: We live in NH. Sorry
Don't try to use a stick without the proper training, you're better off fighting openhanded. Also, I would argue that deployment of an expandable baton would constitute deadly force. You're better off just shooting.
My understanding is that they are illegal in MA. Most catalog or online retailers won't ship them to MA. Here is the law that I believe outlines it:
GENERAL LAWS OF MASSACHUSETTS PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES.
TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS. CHAPTER 269. CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE.
Chapter 269: Section 10. Carrying dangerous weapons...
(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
The bold is added by me for emphasize the parts that I think apply to your question, particularly the last one.
GENERAL LAWS OF MASSACHUSETTS PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES.
TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS. CHAPTER 269. CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE.
Chapter 269: Section 10. Carrying dangerous weapons...
(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
The bold is added by me for emphasize the parts that I think apply to your question, particularly the last one.
cite?
I don't have a citation. I was permitted and certified to use one with a past employer and that is the information I was given at the time.
cbrxx
NES Member
A pipe full of lead. Just add some grip tape.
chris_1001
NES Member
A nice 1/2" breaker bar (with a lug nut socket, in case you need that for your wheels) works well.
I'd love to have a nice 16" ASP airweight, but that state prefers me to shoot, not hit someone. Go figure...
I'd love to have a nice 16" ASP airweight, but that state prefers me to shoot, not hit someone. Go figure...
GM-GUY
NES Member
+1 for Maglite
Some time ago the police took all the Maglites away from the officers as they were beating people with them (to death in some cases).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10431875
Some time ago the police took all the Maglites away from the officers as they were beating people with them (to death in some cases).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10431875
tuna
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Has anyone ever figured out what a zoobow is??? Every time I search, I get a bunch of returns asking the same question.
Total crap, please stop spreading it.
It's been stated already, legal to own and possess, just don't commit a crime or "disturb the peace" while it's in your possession.
MrLumpy
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As it reads here zoobow is another term for nunchaku.
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/cou...9/7680-carrying-certain-dangerous-weapons.pdf
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Recently, someone in Framingham was arrested for assault with a dangerous weapon (an apple).
The baton is not unlawful to possess. When you clock someone upside the knob, it will be assault with a dangerous weapon (baton). When you clock someone upside the head with a Maglite,it will be assault with a dangerous weapon ( flashlight).
If you fight open-handed (as suggested above), and are wearing shoes, those will likely be "dangerous weapons", too.
Re the sap in post 36 - keep it at home, you're good.
If John Law wants to jack you up, a pretext will be found: remember that a screwdriver is a burglar's tool, given the "right" circumstances.
The baton is not unlawful to possess. When you clock someone upside the knob, it will be assault with a dangerous weapon (baton). When you clock someone upside the head with a Maglite,it will be assault with a dangerous weapon ( flashlight).
If you fight open-handed (as suggested above), and are wearing shoes, those will likely be "dangerous weapons", too.
Re the sap in post 36 - keep it at home, you're good.
If John Law wants to jack you up, a pretext will be found: remember that a screwdriver is a burglar's tool, given the "right" circumstances.
hillman
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Always count on several right answers followed by that one guy who "knows" because some other guy who "knows" told him so.
I was certified with the collapsible baton as well. I assure you I can beat the ever loving crap out a big foam shield.
I was certified with the collapsible baton as well. I assure you I can beat the ever loving crap out a big foam shield.
In God We Trust
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+1 on the maglight> get the 4 or 6 D cell LED model in a happy color like red or blue. An ASP will sting, bruise and maybe break bone if you hit the right area, but a 6 D maglight will ruin your day with only a couple swings. Also if you ever have to get out of your car at night (accident, etc) you have the perfect excuse to have it right there in your hand ready to go.
I have a 4 D rechargable model and it is brighter than my Surefire "tactical" light. It lights up my half acre lot like noon.
I have a 4 D rechargable model and it is brighter than my Surefire "tactical" light. It lights up my half acre lot like noon.
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
Yup, that works.
Or in my case, I don't want to carry a baton. A nice, innocuous 3' length of rattan will do nicely... I don't know about a foam shield, but I can dent a helmet made out of 12ga steel with it. Twenty years of swinging a rattan sword in the SCA tends to leave a bit of muscle memory...
Do you guys know if these are legal
http://www.amazon.com/Fury-Tactical...F8&qid=1398798177&sr=8-1&keywords=leather+sap
Thanks,
Mike
That would probably fall into the general category of "blackjack" or "slungshot" weapons listed in the law that was posted earlier. In other words, not illegal to own or possess unless you get arrested for a breach of the peace.
You forgot the last part of this - get arrested for public urination and for littering (vomit)
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chris_1001
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You forgot the last part of this - get arrested for public urination and for littering (vomit)
I think it's only if your "expanding baton" is showing.
Sounds like I wasn't the only one who was a bouncer at one time. Had a mini baton at one place, a 3 cell maglite at another. Baton was great for it's portability, size, and joint locks. Maglite was great for blinding a person and thumping the bejesus out of them. The only downside was how bulky it was and hard to wield in tight quarters.
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