Zero Hour turns in pipe bomb builder

[drgrant]

Really? I can leave loose ammunition unattended in my vehicle? I'll have to come up with a different hypothetical.

The only case where it would be a problem is if someone without an FID or better is driving the vehicle, then -they- could get in trouble; eg, if nobody licensed to possess the ammo is there, then you have "constructive possession" by the party who is there.

-Mike

 

[vellnueve]

Zero Hour, from what I've heard, is a popular dealer that supports NES, specializes in EBRs and other politically incorrect firearms. I have never been there, but I think I'll be taking a drive down there soon to see what they've got. Comparing this to any of the hypotheticals you've come up with is simply absurd.

 

[jdubois]

The only case where it would be a problem is if someone without an FID or better is driving the vehicle, then -they- could get in trouble.

Or if you loan the vehicle to a minor, then you might end up in trouble for 'furnishing'.

 

[vellnueve]

The only case where it would be a problem is if someone without an FID or better is driving the vehicle, then -they- could get in trouble; eg, if nobody licensed to possess the ammo is there, then you have "constructive possession" by the party who is there.

-Mike

I believe this to be the correct interpretation of the law.

 

[News Shooter]

EAST BRIDGEWATER (May 16, 2008) Six people are dead this morning including two East Bridgewater firefighters and two young children following a series of explosions in a colonial home in a quiet East Bridgewater neighborhood. At least six others were reported critically injured.

Police say firefighters were called to the home shortly after 6 p.m. last evening after neighbors reported seeing smoke coming from a basement window.

Firefighters reportedly made entry into the home after receiving no response from inside. About three minutes later, according to witnesses, a series of large explosions tore through the rear of the house , blowing out windows and doors and sending flames a hundred feet into the air.

Large pieces of debris landed several hundred feet away injuring several children in a local playground.

Rescuers were forced to pull back from the house as large explosions continued to rock the neighborhood. A police spokesman said attempts to re-enter the house to attempt save them would have endangered other rescuers and could not be risked.

It was only after dawn this morning that investigators were able to enter the smoldering remains of the mostly collapsed two story house. Inside they found the bodies of the two as yet unidentified firefighters, a man and woman and two children, one of them an infant.

Investigators say they found evidence of a large bomb-making facility in the basement rubble including several undetonated explosive devices.

Police are not releasing the names of the residents of the home pending identification, but neighbors told reporters on the scene that the homeowner had often appeared drunk and bragged of building pipe bombs in his basement.

The neighbors said they never reported the man because he seemed like a nice guy and "really didn't think he was dangerous."

One acquaintance said he had actually seen the bombs the man had been making, but didn't think they would actually work.

The other injured children were transported to area trauma hospitals.

 

[Martlet]

Who's the douche that went through and left me negative for every one of my posts? At least have the sack to leave your name.

 

[Martlet]

Comparing this to any of the hypotheticals you've come up with is simply absurd.

People keep saying that, but have yet to offer a reason why.

 

[vellnueve]

More likely mailboxes get hurt.

So, destruction of property is OK?

 

[.40Smith&Wesson]

 

[drgrant]

FWIW I don't know what to make out of all this yet. I read "post #1" and still only have a vague idea of exactly what Jim saw in his interactions with this guy.

I am pretty libertarian minded myself, but this kind of thing starts riding the line between "malum prohibitum bullshit" (eg, most laws that ban shit) and perhaps necessary regulation, to some extent. (Although, I'll be the first to say that whatever punishment they're going to give the guy, is probably way extreme compared to the supposed "crime'. Even if, for a minute, we say that "this guy put people in danger" it still doesn't change the fact that
in reality he didn't actually hurt anyone with these devices.

The sad thing is 10 bucks says this amateur bomb maker (who isnt outwardly violent as far as we can tell) will likely get a stiffer jail sentence in MA than a typical multiple offense L3 sex offender. .


-Mike

 

[rscalzo]

I really think trying to compare a few small caliber handgun rounds to a substantial pipe bomb is largely flawed. Did we just not have a discussion of a hand grenade vs. a box of ammo. On one hand the potential for injury or death of largely possible while on the other hand the items are virtually harmless.

The scenarios are moving totally off the original topic.

 

[Lugnut]

Hey Martlet- stop comparing this to legally owning guns will you?? It's a ridiculous comparison.

Oh, and let me ask you a question. If this guy brought you to his house and happened to let you take a peak at his kitty porn collection would you just ignore it? What if you lived next door and your young kids were always around? Hmmmm. Like seeing someone speeding right?

 

[.40Smith&Wesson]

This entire thread is a bunch of bologna.

 

[Martlet]

Hey Martlet- stop comaring this to legally owning guns will you?? It's a ridiculous comparison.

Hey lugnut, I'm responding in kind. If you have a specific example you'd like me to explain, point it out. I'll be glad to.

Oh, and let me ask you a question. If this guy brought you to his house and happened to let you take a peak at his kitty porn collection would you just ignore it? What if you lived next door and your young kids were always around? Hmmmm. Like seeing someone speeding right?

What planet are you on? It's illegal for cats to have sex on camera now?

 

[.40Smith&Wesson]

 

[vellnueve]

In response to your original post where you ridiculed the veracity of this report, the original Boston Globe story has been updated with the story about the explosions.

If you and Martlet wish to keep discussing the merits of this guy's wacko schemes, go right ahead, but I don't think you'll find much agreement.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/blasts_rock_eas.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed3

 

[Lugnut]

What planet are you on? It's illegal for cats to have sex on camera now?

I'm assuming you're zinging my typo. toche' I guess it's "kiddy"?

 

[jdubois]

his kitty porn collection

You mean like this?

 

[Martlet]

Who's the douche that went through and left me negative for every one of my posts? At least have the sack to leave your name.

What? Nobody with the balls to own up?

Typical.

 

[rscalzo]

M80 are not legal in NH.

 

[Lugnut]

You mean like this?

I refuse to look!!!

 

[Baystatesuks]

What? Nobody with the balls to own up?

Typical.

I gave you +1 for sticking by your opinion. Have to admire that.

 

[Martlet]

I'm assuming you're zinging my typo. toche' I guess it's "kiddy"?

It is. The two really aren't comparable, in my Libertarian mind. Violating children has obvious harm. Blowing up pipe bombs in your backyard doesn't.

 

[Lugnut]

What? Nobody with the balls to own up?

Typical.

Not me.... I just came onto this thread. I may totally disagree with you. But if I had something to say that I didn't want others hear... I'd do it via PM.

 

[.40Smith&Wesson]

The only explosions were cops having fun blowing stuff up.

The same type of fun this guy was planning.

Yea I got all negatives too. NICE!

 

[vellnueve]

The only explosions were cops having fun blowing stuff up.

The same type of fun this guy was planning.

Some people consider incest to be fun. Should that be legal?

 

[Martlet]

Not me.... I just came onto this thread. I may totally disagree with you. But if I had something to say that I didn't want others hear... I'd do it via PM.

Hey, if I deserve a -1 for a post, I have no problem getting it. It's childish to go through the entire forum and -1 every post I've ever written just to drive it down to zero, though.

 

[.40Smith&Wesson]

Some people consider incest to be fun. Should that be legal?

Come again?

 

[Lugnut]

It is. The two really aren't comparable, in my Libertarian mind. Violating children has obvious harm. Blowing up pipe bombs in your backyard doesn't.

That's fine. My point is that no one likes a tattletail but everyone has to draw a line somewhere. I will draw the line when I feel someone could be seriously at risk of danger. Building bombs is not in the same category as speeding or jaywalking IMO. I do see you point... a little but I'll side with the Zero guy for now. I would feel like complete shit if I did nothing and this guy ended up harming someone.

 

[USMA-82]

Interesting thread. I understand completely the concern about privacy rights, and the hesitancy about "turning someone in" who wasn't hurting anyone, and has no record of doing so. It almost seems like you're convicting someone, not for committing a crime, but for "thinking" about that crime. Look out for the Thought Police!

But in this particular instance, I would look at the potential for doing massive damage to other people and property - by ACCIDENT. You can't really compare it to firearms - if someone has an "accident", they usually end up hurting themselves, or one or two others. They have to be doing something INTENTIONAL in order to cause a mass casualty.

Explosives, on the other hand, are different (you can also fill in here "plutonium", or "Ebola Virus", or the like). Take it from someone who spent 10 years as a Combat Engineer in the Army, and had the opportunity to deal with explosives measured in tons, not pounds - the slightest mistake can kill many. And being careful while fully alert and sober is tough enough, never mind when you're drunk!

I don't like ratting out victimless crimes - if you want to cause your own self-destruction, that's up to you. But if you are doing something that has the potential to cause MASSIVE damage if you're not careful, I think I should have a say in things.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
Carry on.