Why US liberals are now buying guns too - BBC

[Whutmeworry]

My concern is that in the fight against Tyranny, they are not on the side of Freedom. They are on the side of anti-Individualist, Marxist Statism. And now they are armed, and the Tyrant has more than just it's .mil and LEO JBTs to use against the People who fight for Freedom against an Oppressive State.

Except the chances are that before long these liberals will:

A. Realize that the RKBA is actually a very important and even fun, concept and join our side;

or

B. Quickly lose interest/enthusiasm for the cause.

There will never be an effective organized, ARMED liberal-progressive movement because RKBA runs counter to their world view which involves total government control over peoples' lives. You cannot simultaneously have RKBA and total government control...that's why RKBA exists in the first place!!!

 

[calsdad]

My concern is that in the fight against Tyranny, they are not on the side of Freedom. They are on the side of anti-Individualist, Marxist Statism. And now they are armed, and the Tyrant has more than just it's .mil and LEO JBTs to use against the People who fight for Freedom against an Oppressive State.

That's the real issue.

There's a whole bunch of wanna-be Commies out there who have starting whining and crying for "revolution".

It's been covered in a whole bunch of places - but Martin Armstrong is warning that what the lefties are doing does not bode well going forward:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...aging-in-undermining-the-country-in-collages/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...te-to-steal-election-from-trump-at-all-costs/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...e-left-continues-to-set-stage-for-revolution/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/football-in-decline/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...re-the-greatest-threats-to-the-domestic-life/

COMMENT: I love your site and read your blog daily – thank you! Regarding the polls, I have a friend who lives in San Diego, CA. She and I spoke just before the election and she said that for the past week to ten days, she had been receiving several calls every evening asking how she was planning to vote. When she would answer that she planned to vote for Trump, the “pollster” then asked her whether she had heard the latest news or scandal about Trump. When she replied that she didn’t believe it and was still going to vote for Trump, they would argue with her to try to change her mind. It would seem they weren’t so much polling as trying to influence her vote. Perhaps that’s why they got it wrong – they weren’t really polling!

REPLY: Quite a few emails have come in from California saying the same thing. Keep in mind that historically the left is always the most violent. They tend to see themselves as victims and that justifies attacking the right. This is how the revolutions in China and Russia began, as well as the 1918 German Revolution. The American and French Revolutions were against societies being repressed by government.

Therefore, the two primary actions that are behind rising discontent is a Socialist/Communist rebellion or the oppression of government. When Trump won, the Socialists were rioting and setting things on fire because they lost. Nevertheless, the press will continue to feed that movement and will bring about the fall of Western Society as we move forward in time. We are facing the final uprising of the left as they desperately try to create utopia for themselves – the Marxist dream.

Creating external wars for profit tends to emerge from the right. They are driven by money whereas the left sees themselves as victims who seek vengeance upon anyone with more than they have.

Encouraging lefties to go out and get guns might be a very bad idea, especially if they're complaining they want one because they're scared of Trump. That is the blinking red light that should be warning you the person is an idiot - or a commie a-hole.

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Regardless of political views, what good does alienating half the country do?

Go back in time and tell that to Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

What you're complaining about is already set in stone.

 

[Boris]

registered democrats with guns ... weren't those the shooters of the past massacres?

Why aren't they buying rape whistles? What about the children?

 

[Dadstoys]

The funny part will be in some of the most libitard states is when they try and navigate the gun restrictions they helped pass.
What do you mean target and hunting only?
What do you mean my application will sit on your desk for six months before you get around to it?
What do you mean my permit is pulled because some pantywaist saw it when my jacket blew open ?
What do you mean denied because of the shoplifting charge when I was 12 ?
OMG ,OMG OMG the system sucks , this isn't fair, how can you deny me my RIGHTS ?

 

[Boris]

The funny part will be in some of the most libitard states is when they try and navigate the gun restrictions they helped pass.
What do you mean target and hunting only?
What do you mean my application will sit on your desk for six months before you get around to it?
What do you mean my permit is pulled because some pantywaist saw it when my jacket blew open ?
What do you mean denied because of the shoplifting charge when I was 12 ?
OMG ,OMG OMG the system sucks , this isn't fair, how can you deny me my RIGHTS ?

it's not funny anymore, no more funny than watching a tard repeatedly poking himself with a fork. Just like "will you accept results of the democratic election .... whaaaah, not fair, I'm scared!!!"

 

[10thSFFD]

Who said you need guns when you can be just scary?

 

[fencer]

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[MisterHappy]

If people become invested in shooting, then they may see the light of Freedom.

Of course, there are posters here that are fine with reasonable restrictions....and, if not here on NES, they're at your Club.

I've had students at the Club's Basic Pistol courses that were literally (old meaning, not the new one ) shaking as they reached out to handle a real gun for the load/unload practice. I give them credit.

What we (mostly) see as axiomatic, others see as loony - just as we see many Leftie stances as Batshit. Moshe Dyan: "If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. "

 

[Laura]

I have no problem with this. Self-defense is a fundamental right that has long been neglected by the left. Maybe they'll tell their reps to knock off the gun grabbing.

Fat chance...when a Dem is back in the White House, they'll be telling us the police will protect us and the government will never over reach...they're way beyond stupid with regards to firearm safety and self defense.

 

[Come and take]

I have no problem with this. Self-defense is a fundamental right that has long been neglected by the left. Maybe they'll tell their reps to knock off the gun grabbing.

This. I am willing to bet some of the far left will change their mind about gun grabbbing.

I have converted some far left gun grabbers into pro 2A. There is hope.

 

[Knob Creek]

A friend of mine is a old hippie stuck in the 60's. Very liberal but also a card carrying NRA member. For which he draws attacks from his libtard friends. I'm not sure when the rule was made that if you are liberal you must be anti gun. I guess it's the old progressive vs conservative.
If a conservative does not want something he does not have one. If a progressive does not want something then you can't have one either.

 

[Zeo]

Maybe handful will stay "woke" and actually follow through with training, rotating stock, and long-term planning.

Most will be like the millions who decided to start prepping for Y2K in 1999 -- lose interest a few months after the inauguration and their gear will rot in the back of a closet, show up on the used market at a severe discount, or get turned in at the next "buy-back".

I'm OK with this ^^


For years I've been reading on this forum, people advocating for others to "bring a liberal to the range" , "convert a non-gun-owner", "we need more gun sales" , etc. ( or other words to that effect ). Now they are buying guns, going to ranges, increasing gun ownership (while the MSM is lieing and claiming less Americans wants guns ) , and we have people here (in this topic and another started by an open-declared liberal/Democrat 1 or 2 days ago) now whining about it ?

Geezas Krise

Everyone has their own personal reason why they own (or don't own) guns.
If a liberal wants to purchase a firearm and use it as a paper-weight, why not just let them ? while we get the "numbers" we've been seeking.

 

[amm5061]

I'm OK with this ^^


For years I've been reading on this forum, people advocating for others to "bring a liberal to the range" , "convert a non-gun-owner", "we need more gun sales" , etc. ( or other words to that effect ). Now they are buying guns, going to ranges, increasing gun ownership (while the MSM is lieing and claiming less Americans wants guns ) , and we have people here (in this topic and another started by an open-declared liberal/Democrat 1 or 2 days ago) now whining about it ?

Geezas Krise

Everyone has their own personal reason why they own (or don't own) guns.
If a liberal wants to purchase a firearm and use it as a paper-weight, why not just let them ? while we get the "numbers" we've been seeking.

I'm fine with everything there except the real possibility that they will just end up turning the guns in at a buyback. That I'm not okay with. No gun deserves that fate, no matter how retarded its owner.

 

[Zeo]

I'm fine with everything there except the real possibility that they will just end up turning the guns in at a buyback. That I'm not okay with. No gun deserves that fate, no matter how retarded its owner.

I apologize , I over-looked the "gun buyback" part, I was thinking more along the lines of, a true gun owner buying the firearm from the liberal, at a lower-than-new price

 

[Ranger007]

With any luck they will all shoot themsevles in the face, accidently of course.

 

[Laura]

I'm OK with this ^^


For years I've been reading on this forum, people advocating for others to "bring a liberal to the range" , "convert a non-gun-owner", "we need more gun sales" , etc. ( or other words to that effect ). Now they are buying guns, going to ranges, increasing gun ownership (while the MSM is lieing and claiming less Americans wants guns ) , and we have people here (in this topic and another started by an open-declared liberal/Democrat 1 or 2 days ago) now whining about it ?

Geezas Krise

Everyone has their own personal reason why they own (or don't own) guns.
If a liberal wants to purchase a firearm and use it as a paper-weight, why not just let them ? while we get the "numbers" we've been seeking.

I don't really know how a liberal using a gun as a paper-weight helps us if they don't support gun rights....

 

[MachineHead]

I don't really know how a liberal using a gun as a paper-weight helps us if they don't support gun rights....

The problem with these types of liberals is that they'll be able to say "I'm a gun owner myself and I believe in xyz for gun safety." It becomes a pissing match of credibility there soon thereafter even though they are gun owners but never actually practice, carry, etc.

 

[CosmicIrony]

Except the chances are that before long these liberals will:

A. Realize that the RKBA is actually a very important and even fun, concept and join our side;

or

B. Quickly lose interest/enthusiasm for the cause.

There will never be an effective organized, ARMED liberal-progressive movement because RKBA runs counter to their world view which involves total government control over peoples' lives. You cannot simultaneously have RKBA and total government control...that's why RKBA exists in the first place!!!

I don't personally know any liberals whose world view includes total government control over people's lives. And I know a lot of liberals.

In general I think there is very little understanding of liberals here on NES.

 

[CosmicIrony]

If a conservative does not want something he does not have one. If a progressive does not want something then you can't have one either.

Except when the conservatives don't want an abortion, then no one can have an abortion.

 

[Waher]

Well they failed Hillary, and she tends to Arkanicde people which cross or fail her, so it's only logical that they'd go all doomsday prepper.

 

[gene]

I, myself, hesitate to think for a moment that anyone that was not inclined to purchase a gun as a weapon in the past is purchasing one now for any reason what so ever. I doubt anyone can truly and accurately identify the gun buyers political and or social status.

 

[fencer]

I don't personally know any liberals whose world view includes total government control over people's lives. And I know a lot of liberals.
.

You may not know them personally, but you may have heard of a few.
Obama
Clinton
Pelosi
Soros
Warren
Healy....

 

[Dadstoys]

I don't personally know any liberals whose world view includes total government control over people's lives. And I know a lot of liberals.

In general I think there is very little understanding of liberals here on NES.

You really need to get out more.
Or you think we don't.

 

[BREWINZ]

I have personally written letters of recommendation for 4 of my super liberal friends over the past few months. They were all anti 2A before now. Funny how that works.

"You can't have it... until I need it."

 

[10thSFFD]

And I know a lot of liberals.

No kidding!

We have lost Syria because we continued training wrong people. We trained them and they joined the other side almost immediately.

Teaching liberals is the same. Every naivety deserves later punishment.

 

[Varmint]

After reading the article i think its a manufactured story not a real significant trend. I think the author found a small number of libs who said they were buying guns cause of Trump and created a story around it.

 

[jdseven1]

Meh, I'm not going to worry unless the libs all join ranges and start practicing 3 hours a week. The rest of the groups are basically unchanged but remain a worry.

To late most clubs are full we have over 50 on our waiting list. Plus most police departments require club membership for lic to carry.

 

[boundlessdyad]

"Liberal preppers seem keen to underline the difference between them and their right-wing counterparts, who they tend to regard as paranoid, gun-obsessed conspiracy theorists."

I was just getting used to being a racist, misogynist xenophobe with lesser education and lower productivity, and now I have to be paranoid, gun-obsessed and a conspiracy theorist. Being a Trump voter is such a burden...

Liberal preppers? LMAO

Hoarding bean sprouts and tofu in their mom's basement. [emoji1]

 

[NHKevin]

Shockingly, all Republicans don't believe 100% of what you (and I) believe.

There are plenty of people who are social liberals and fiscal conservatives and consider themselves Republicans. And they don't have a desire to own a firearm. It isn't that they disagree, they just don't see their PERSONAL need for one.

Most of NH is socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

 

[Varmint]

I have personally written letters of recommendation for 4 of my super liberal friends over the past few months. They were all anti 2A before now. Funny how that works.

"You can't have it... until I need it."

What made them want a gun? I think it's more likely the growing unrest they see on TV rather than Trump.

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To late most clubs are full we have over 50 on our waiting list. Plus most police departments require club membership for lic to carry.

Never heard of the club requirement.