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Oh bullshit. I'll happily take a fine for "no seatbelt" when the actual violation was 75 in a 55 and both parties know I was doing 75 in a 55. I'm getting slapped on the wrist to say "you can't just get away with it", rather than a fcking by the state and insurance companies. 20 over in CT can get you locked up for reckless endangerment.
Good thing he didn't shoot the dog. Kind of not kidding.
Re likelihood of getting a ticket. A couple of years ago, I think it was a Patch reporter who went around and found out how many traffic citations all the Boston metro towns had issued in the previous year. Then he divided the citations by population and came up with a rate of citations.
The difference between the best and worst town was something like 5x. Ironically, Medford - the town with mister road rage cop on the force, had one of the lowest rates of giving traffic infractions. I'll post the link if I can find it.
Don
Oh bullshit. I'll happily take a fine for "no seatbelt" when the actual violation was 75 in a 55 and both parties know I was doing 75 in a 55. I'm getting slapped on the wrist to say "you can't just get away with it", rather than a fcking by the state and insurance companies. 20 over in CT can get you locked up for reckless endangerment.
Arguing that it could be worse doesn't mean a lesser ticket for something you didn't do is okay.
I got a ticket speeding going to the airport at 1 am. The speed going into the tunnel is 30 and the Statie said he clocked me at 55 and gave me a ticket. He was Joe Hardass and since there is no traffic at that time he probably thought he could bust balls. I honestly didn't know the speed limit and it seemed like a safe speed for the conditions. I fought it South Boston district court by telling the magistrate that the surcharges were a burden. She agreed and thanked me for my honesty and dismissed the ticket and suggested that I bring a copy of her decision to my insurance company so they didn't assess the surcharges anyways.
I WAS GUILTY OF DOING 75 IN A 55.
That's reckless endangerment in CT.
That's handcuffs, trip to the local lockup, tow/impound the vehicle, court appearance, and that's just the beginning.
It's absolutely "okay" with me for the cop to write me a "no seatbelt" ticket and tell me to slow down.
He cut me a major break, and I thanked him.
I BROKE THE LAW, I GOT CAUGHT. HE CUT ME A BREAK.
What part of this don't you understand?
Or do you understand what I've written, but just don't agree with my perspective?
He's just telling you the cops behavior is still at least somewhat corrupt. If the cop really wanted to cut you a break he would have just written a warning and let you go. Of course maybe CT has some retardo quota system for seatbelt violations or some shit, so guy may have bagged you with that instead to fill up that cup.
-Mike
I WAS GUILTY OF DOING 75 IN A 55.
That's reckless endangerment in CT.
That's handcuffs, trip to the local lockup, tow/impound the vehicle, court appearance, and that's just the beginning.
It's absolutely "okay" with me for the cop to write me a "no seatbelt" ticket and tell me to slow down.
He cut me a major break, and I thanked him.
I BROKE THE LAW, I GOT CAUGHT. HE CUT ME A BREAK.
What part of this don't you understand?
Or do you understand what I've written, but just don't agree with my perspective?
No, but it's usually a gateway offense. Leads to expired or revoked plated, lack of insurance etcAn expired sticker isn't a reason to tow, as far as I know....
One of the cops I know said he does the seat belt ticket thing for some sort of grant they got instead of writing speeding tickets. Sure it sucks, but you know the rules, you agreed to the rules when you got your license, and you got caught breaking the rules.He's just telling you the cops behavior is still at least somewhat corrupt. If the cop really wanted to cut you a break he would have just written a warning and let you go. Of course maybe CT has some retardo quota system for seatbelt violations or some shit, so guy may have bagged you with that instead to fill up that cup.
-Mike
One of the cops I know said he does the seat belt ticket thing for some sort of grant they got instead of writing speeding tickets. Sure it sucks, but you know the rules, you agreed to the rules when you got your license, and you got caught breaking the rules.
Don't like the rules, change them
I suggest never telling unless asked, asked to step out of the car or if the officer may see it when you retrieve you license and registration. Some cops are scared of peasants with guns so don't advise unless needed.
One of the cops I know said he does the seat belt ticket thing for some sort of grant they got instead of writing speeding tickets. Sure it sucks, but you know the rules, you agreed to the rules when you got your license, and you got caught breaking the rules.
Don't like the rules, change them
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You can always answer "there is nothing illegal in my car, sir."
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Which rule says if you speed cops get to write you a ticket for a seatbelt violation?
You say this like its a good thing and the cop is doing you a favor and not like the extortion it is. Is fining someone for something they know they didn't do a good thing?
No. It certainly isn't. It's actually quite immoral.
Arguing that it could be worse doesn't mean a lesser ticket for something you didn't do is okay.
Which rule says if you speed cops get to write you a ticket for a seatbelt violation?
I'm sure it probably isn't legit, if that's the case - but if someone wants to put their own ass, their own professional credibility and certification, on the line to write something so it's warnable, or so it doesn't incur insurance blackmail charges instead of writing me for the violation like I deserve - I won't complain.
NES's own anti cop Al Sharpton id baaaaack.
I'm sure it probably isn't legit, if that's the case - but if someone wants to put their own ass, their own professional credibility and certification, on the line to write something so it's warnable, or so it doesn't incur insurance blackmail charges instead of writing me for the violation like I deserve - I won't complain. Believe it or not - despite the well publicized asshats in the L/E profession - most of them are decent people that don't want to see someone get excessively screwed over for MP type BS.
Short anecdote that sheds light on my view of the state of L/E - early this year, I got pulled over for the first time in probably a decade. California Highway Patrol, of all agencies, and had me dead to rights. Was one of those 'shit, is that a cop? Nope, not a cop, just a tourist in an SUV pulled over taking pictures. SHIT, that IS a cop - shit shit shit I'm pushing 75 in a 55 and it's CHP!'. Guy throws on the lights, I pass him, he pulls out behind me, pull over trying to guess how expensive this is going to be. CHP, 20 over, not even entertaining the thought of getting warned. After he stopped behind me, I looked in the rear view and saw an older officer getting out. Gray hair, holy shit, I might get out of this with a warning! (There's the point I'm trying to make here.) Not only did he warn me, he was very cool about it, and didn't even run the info right off (no idea if he did afterwards) - wrote the D/L and reg info down in a pocket notebook in case he ran into me again. In 2015. As in, modern times, dude is still keeping tabs on 'warned him once already' stuff in an actual notebook instead of the computer. More to the story, of course but not really relevant to my point - not all officers are the raging hard-on, write 'em all and let the hearing officer sort it out, type. And there seems to be a definite correlation to age and experience.
You are right. People should be happy to receive tickets for offenses they didn't commit.
I'm understand and am with you on that. Receiving a warning for something you did do is not nearly the same thing as receiving a ticket for something you didn't do. One could indeed be construed as getting a break, or the cop doing you a favor. The other, not so much. My issue with speeding tickets themselves aside, how can one possibly argue it is okay to give people tickets for something they didn't do because it isn't as bad as what it would be if they got a ticket for what they did do? If the cop doesn't think what you did warrants the fine it would be if they issued a ticket for it, they shouldn't give you a ticket. Give them a warning. It is that simple. And that does happen. Quite often I imagine. Also anecdotal, but from my experience it's 75%. I totally get that.
Followed by an immediate cavity search.It is, however, an excellent "conversation starter."
It is my understanding they are saying cops are writing people who were wearing their seatbelt for a seatbelt violation instead of writing them on the speeding. I know of know rule or law that says or allows this. They are also saying it like the cop is doing them a favor. No such favor exists in that scenario.
Cops are trained as to what situations allow for discretion. Letting a minor traffic violator go with a warning is not putting "professional credibility and certification on the line" in most jurisdictions.but if someone wants to put their own ass, their own professional credibility and certification, on the line to write something so it's warnable
One of the cops I know said he does the seat belt ticket thing for some sort of grant they got instead of writing speeding tickets. Sure it sucks, but you know the rules, you agreed to the rules when you got your license, and you got caught breaking the rules.
Don't like the rules, change them
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So, I got a message asking me to expand on this, unfortunately, I don't know much about the grant they were operating under, this was several years ago, and I no longer have contact with the officer.
I do know it was a targeted safety thing and he was trying to be nice by saving people the surcharge, the insurance rate increase, and the larger ticket.
The commentary about the rules was from me, not the officer.
This in MA
So, the driver was carrying too or just you? How was it brought to light that you were carrying? Were you coming from the range? Was someone wearing gunpowder aftershave???
The federal grant for seatbelt violations is legit, we had a bunch of guys doing directed patrols targeting violators etc etc.
Im more curious as to the description of the either or scenario of the speeding ticket vs the seat belt ticket
The targeted area was next to an MDC (or whatever it is called now) park/pool/ballfield area in a metro city, so it was a speeding issue. The neighborhood itself wasn't big money, and I think he really thought he was helping people by not whacking them for the maximum fine, plus people do appreciate the lesser fine and it may remind them in the future to slow down.
Or he could have been pulling my leg.