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Open Carry MA Experiences

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Cipher, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. greencobra

    greencobra NES Member

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    we've had this discussion here before. i've been carrying for so long, stupid, unintentional peek-a-boos don't get me worked up, granted not the same as open carry. i reach up in the supermarket, shirt rides up, and there it is. sometimes i notice, sometimes not. i've been in the yard with just a tee shirt on, it's there for the world to see. if someone calls the police they are gonna respond. police have to take all calls seriously. i probably know every cop in my city and all the old time neighbors know me, i've invited most of them to shoot at one time or another.

    and i've said the first reaction of most people if they see a holstered gun, they think it's police. but if someone open carried i would expect some people to freak out. it's the way it is now. no one is going to change that. things aren't the way they were back when i got my first ltc and i've accepted it for what it is. and i certainly wouldn't open carry to prove a point in my daily life.
     
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  2. Nameless

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    yeah, that gets you a visit from the Police in any town if you're a male. Haha

    That aside... I certainly wouldn't want to be the test case for opencarry here either.
     
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  3. Al-Jim19

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    I just remembered another:

    I was at Scottis Drive In, Leeds, sitting at a picnic table having some burgers and fries. A red necky hill folk guy rolled up in his truck and got in line. He had a large stainless revolver tucked in his waist about 4 o’clock, no holster, grip facing forward. It was bizarre looking. He picked up his to go order and drove away and nobody saw. That experience proved to me that almost no one notices.

    I actively look for printing and I’ve seen only 4-5 I think, 2-3 certain sightings.
     
  4. AHM

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    Yahbut did they let him move to the front of the line?

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    Vest is in the trunk.
    Helps imitate a civil engineer or geologist when prospecting at roadside ledge.
    Hardhat is in the back bedroom,
    for when you know ahead of time that you're stopping at ledge.
     
  5. namedpipes

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  6. Radtekk

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    Now THAT'S a truck!
     
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  7. whacko

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    This x1000

    Unload and walk where you have too. If your hunting legally.....licensed.....in season....don't worry about it.
     
  8. fishgutzy

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    Fellow NC Transplant here. So true. Nobody bats an eye at OC. The only time any got in trouble was a soldier from Bragg that thought it wise to got get pictures taken at a mall in full battle gear.
    I have never seen anyone OC with a drop leg holster. But plenty of OWB. I will OWB my FNX45. But CC my subcompacts.
     
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  9. Bonesinium

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    I love these threads. People get so hung up about it.

    It’s not a big deal. People don’t usually notice. Those that do, don’t care.
     
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  10. mlaboss

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    I'm down in Georgia visiting family. In two separate dining establishments I saw people open carrying (one employee, one patron). It was totally unremarkable, as it should be.

    So refreshing.
     
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  11. Rob Boudrie

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    I used to see William Bartell in the mid 80's in a gun shop in the Rochester, NY area. I still have the Milt Sparks summer special he sold me way back when.

    He was probably the only Rochester officer who was published in the American Journal of Rotegenology. As an MRI worker and gun person, you should find his article interesting:

    Article

    The article also proves that a Series 80 1911 can indeed discharge with the thumb safety engaged.
     
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  12. MGnoob

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    I agree almost 100%... but concealed is concealed... if your gunna print or be partial exposed for what ever reason...weather, type of firearm, location of carry.. depending on the situation... you might aswell assume/get comfortable with OC.. the ultimate irony is with everyone looking at their cellphones/social media.... you could walk around with an AR-15 and most people would be oblivious...

    I honestly think CC carry is like being a closet homosexual....”no body knows”.... grow up and come out of the closet..
     
  13. PilotRPI

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    The other morning at 515 I had a coyote or other large animal staring down me and my dogs. Now i make sure to carry when on a walk. OC GP100 sometimes.
     
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  14. teaser452

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    I never OCed in Mass.

    Here in NC, I don’t think I’ve yet walked into a Walmart and not seen at least one person OCing. More often than not, multiple people can be spotted.

    Guns in this part of NC are ubiquitous. They’re boring and commonplace. As it should be.
     
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  15. Rob Boudrie

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    Without even knowing NC laws, I would guess they have more CCW prohibited for the little people places than MA and perhaps binding signage. This sort of thing goes along with shall issue and common open carry. The fact that it flies under the radar in places like MA and NY results in a much smaller banned area list. (Upstate NY carry permits are readily available in many counties).

    Update: Just read up on it. NC has a very long laundry list of prohibited places for persons who do not hold a public position such as Commissioner of Deeds (WTF?) as well as binding signage. So the "Acceptance" and "As it should be" for NC has a long way to go.
     
  16. Len-2A Training

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    I'll respectfully disagree!
    I had to OC for 17 yrs as a police officer and was never comfortable with unknown persons anywhere near me. A year or so ago I spooked an officer by walking around a table (they were checking bags) to talk with him . . . until he recognized who I was, he didn't know if someone was sneaking up on him to grab his gun or not!

    CC gives me the advantage of deciding to draw or not if SHTF, it doesn't make me an obvious target (if a bad guy sees one OC'g, guess what? You are his first target). I CCW to protect ME and my WIFE, I owe no obligation to anyone else at the risk of my own life and LIBERTY (remember MA doesn't approve of self-protection).

    That said, I was in a restaurant in NH the other day and a guy was "partially" OC'g (shirt didn't cover all of the holster and was form-fitting to the gun making it obvious what he was carrying. Nobody cared.

    I respect others who choose to OC, I just (for the hundredth time) outlined why I don't and won't OC in public.
     
  17. one-eyed Jack

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    No problem with OC if you wear a white shirt, blue pants (a little too short), white socks, black shoes and a black holster. Jack.
     
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  18. teaser452

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    You are correct that there are many places that don’t allow guns at all. And signage is binding.

    Don’t go to those places.

    And we do have much work to do. We only got a D from the anti gunners for our laws. We’ll get to F eventually. This governor is a one termer. Because his R predecessor was so damn corrupt.
     
  19. JenkkiMike

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    I saw a guy open carrying the other day and I assumed he was a detective or something. The only reason I made that assumption is because he was open carrying and had a radio but I would have still made the same assumption even without the radio.
     
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  20. Rob Boudrie

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    I will have to agree with Lens disagreement.

    OC has some problems, particularly in MA:

    1. You lose the tactical advantage.

    2. In a minor confrontation, it's seen, and going to be handled, as a "man with gun" or "gun present conflict". If you don't have immunity, it can be a major hassle.

    3. Once the other party knows you have a gun, they are in control of your legal fate if you don't shoot. All they have to say is "he threatened to shoot me" or "he asked me I was feeling lucky today punk" and you will be charged, and almost certainly cop a plea to something (if only a CWOF). The other party will not be punished for false accusation.
    It is ironic that I would have to get used to being much more limited in where I can carry if I were to move from MA to NC. Besides binding signage, their list of prohibited places is MUCH longer than the one in MA. Extra limits are set when there is the perception that commoners can carry.
     
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  21. 556USER

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    I totally agree. About two years ago I went into a very small convenience store with confined space. Two persons in line ahead of me to pay for stuff. I line up behind a police officer. He immediately put his hand down near is weapon, not so as to draw it but kind of in a protective way. I was not at all offended. He did not know me.
     
  22. AHM

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    In CostCo, polo shirt + ham radio => customer questions about where to find items.
    At NASA/KSC, NASA logo polo shirt => tourist questions about how rockets work.
    At parade, orange Communicator vest + ham radio => spectator questions about porta potty locations.

    60% of the time it happens every time.
     
  23. ManOnTarget

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    I often see private security (securitas) OC in very public areas. Is there some statute to separate them from general public or do they just do it?
     
  24. Boston4567

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    It's legal to OC in MA. The only question is how much hassle your issuing police chief would put up with before invoking "suitability".

    People expect a security guard to be allowed to carry, so they aren't going to call the cops and there won't be any hassle to the issuing authority.
     
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  25. MaverickNH

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    I was in a downtown Lowell hotel - can’t remember which - when I saw either an armed security guard or PD in plain cloths acting as security with his jacket off walking around the hotel lobby like he owned the place with an IWB revolver sticking out of his waistband. His badge, if any, must have been in his jacket rather than on his belt.

    I was so ticked off, having gone through all the BS for a MA Nonresident LTC, that I went to a payphone (this was around 2000, when there were few cams or smartphones) and called 911 to report a man with a gun at the Lowell Hotel (whatever it was). I hung up, went out the door and walked away. Dunno what happened.

    Was I an arse? Yeah. But I don’t regret it. If I can’t OC then cops/armed guards can’t either w/o a uniform or badge visible.
     
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    You showed them! That sure moved the needle for our cause. Nineteen years ago too. Thanks.
     
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    Well, I’m still proud of it ;-)
     
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    Would have really sucked if he was not a cop, and you got him in trouble.
     
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    Heard him talking to the desk clerk - cop or security. It was that smug look he gave me when he walked right over next to me and interrupted to ask about when somebody else was on shift at the hotel. I gotta gun and you don’t.
     
  30. AHM

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    (I don't get out much, but) is that really something most people admit in public?
     
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