NY attorney General bans the sale of 80% lowers

[AntiHippie]

On the local NPR station I heard a segment about 'gun kit's. Apparently they can be ordered online without a license, don't require registration, and allow people to build untraceable guns. Amazing! Where do I sign up? LOL, the usual misinformed crap. Don't know if they were referring to an 80% receiver or the kits that are sold without a receiver. Maybe lumping it all together.

Or they just made it up out of whole cloth. That’s an acceptable source for the media for a good portion of “Americans”.

 

[DJBrad]

80 Percent Lower Black | 80 Percent Lower For Sale |
$39.99 on sale

Those are some good deals

 

[Dennis in MA]

Honestly - how much harder is it to mill 7075 vs 6061? There are a billion 7075's out there and very few 6061's.

 

[bfm]

Is the 5D substantially better or different than the 80% Arms jig Midway sells?

 

[pastera]

I had forgotten that I have to do all the work. That's OK in my case because the mill and competent machinist I have "access" to are my son's mill in my garage and my son who's 2hrs away at college. I'm comfortable with a lathe but don't feel comfortable enough with a mill to use his baby (yet). He's been bugging me to start using his mill and quit doing everything with my 3D printer.
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

If you can turn handles on a lathe, you can run the mill.
Nothing says you can't grab a piece of 2x pine stock and mill it like an 80% for practice.

 

[pastera]

Honestly - how much harder is it to mill 7075 vs 6061? There are a billion 7075's out there and very few 6061's.

Different levels of gummy - a little isopropyl alcohol for cutting fluid and both behave decently (on my benchtop machines)

 

[CatSnoutSoup]

Different levels of gummy - a little isopropyl alcohol for cutting fluid and both behave decently (on my benchtop machines)

The “Smart Straw” is your friend...

:emoji_tiger:

 

[amm5061]

Is the 5D substantially better or different than the 80% Arms jig Midway sells?

Honestly, I think they're almost exactly the same. The 80% Arms Easy Jig Gen 2 is fantastic and stupid easy to use.

 

[92G]

Honestly, I think they're almost exactly the same. The 80% Arms Easy Jig Gen 2 is fantastic and stupid easy to use.

perhaps you could honestly elaborate on this. 80% arms are overpriced scammers. their design is a direct, yet inferior, ripoff of 5D.

 

[Coda]

perhaps you could honestly elaborate on this. 80% arms are overpriced scammers. their design is a direct, yet inferior, ripoff of 5D.

You obviously prefer the 5D setup but to call 80% Arms “overpriced scammers” is a bit over the top, I know quite a few people that have been very happy with their offerings and their customer service.

 

[amm5061]

perhaps you could honestly elaborate on this. 80% arms are overpriced scammers. their design is a direct, yet inferior, ripoff of 5D.

It works and is solidly built. Maybe you should elaborate how the design is inferior, because they look to be very much the same to me. Could it be a ripoff? Sure. Is it overpriced? Yeah, but things are worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it, and clearly people are willing to pay for it.

 

[namedpipes]

Full disclosure, I have a couple of lowers/uppers and assorted parts to eventually build, but I haven't had much exposure to AR platform other than shooting other people's rifles.

That said, isn't one lower pretty much the same as the next, assuming it is built to mil-spec? What differentiates one from another? In the critical dimensions they should all be identical. The rest is cosmetic, ainit?

 

[bfm]

That said, isn't one lower pretty much the same as the next, assuming it is built to mil-spec? What differentiates one from another? In the critical dimensions they should all be identical. The rest is cosmetic, ainit?

To a degree. Some companies are more consistent and others will have issues with being on one end or the other of the tolerances and may have problems working with other companies' parts. So their uppers may attach fine to their lowers, but try a different upper and you may have to fight to get it on. I have seen a buffer tube that worked perfectly on three other lowers not fit into a fourth until someone chase the threads out. Have also heard of people having trouble with high end triggers but the basic lower parts kit trigger worked. So, while they may be in spec, they can be enough to one end or the other that you may have issues with some specific parts that you hoped to use. Or, everything might be fine.

 

[AHM]

While they're at it they should ban metal and/or reinforced polymer, and rotational motion- cuz you can't build a ghost gun without those.

Squire Boone's ironwood stump cannon, FTW.

 

[assaultknifle]

Ah in other news, companies will start offering a 79% lower next

 

[Misfitmike63]

Ah in other news, companies will start offering a 79% lower next

where do we find those????

 

[citoriguy]

This is going to turn into “Name That Tune.” I can build that 78% lower!

 

[namedpipes]

where do we find those????

Not sure about the 79% lowers, but here's a 0% at a reasonable price:

0% Billet AR-15 Lower Receiver

 

[Prepper]

Not sure about the 79% lowers, but here's a 0% at a reasonable price:

0% Billet AR-15 Lower Receiver

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I wonder how they calculate percentage. 0% to me would be raw ore in the ground. By the time you get it into a cute little brick, it is already well on its way beyond 0%.

Even an aluminum can is beyond 0%. It is way easier to melt those into a receiver than it is to mine the ore first.

I guess what I am trying to say is all forms of aluminum (or other metal) are a certain percentage of the way towards being an evil gun. Be afraid lefties! Ban all metal beyond 0%

 

[namedpipes]

With transmutation in our near future we should look into banning all elements. Just in case.

It's for the children.

 

[exo]

I wonder how they calculate percentage. 0% to me would be raw ore in the ground. By the time you get it into a cute little brick, it is already well on its way beyond 0%.

Even an aluminum can is beyond 0%. It is way easier to melt those into a receiver than it is to mine the ore first.

I guess what I am trying to say is all forms of aluminum (or other metal) are a certain percentage of the way towards being an evil gun. Be afraid lefties! Ban all metal beyond 0%

probably have to ban the sun, because that’s where that bad metal was made.

but seriously, the ATF didn’t assign 80%, it’s marketing jazz.

 

[allen-1]

probably have to ban the sun, because that’s where that bad metal was made.

but seriously, the ATF didn’t assign 80%, it’s marketing jazz.

Are “80%” or “unfinished” receivers illegal? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

 

[DJBrad]

This’d be nice when finished

 

[exo]

Are “80%” or “unfinished” receivers illegal? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

As stated previously... the ATF is not making a determination as to whether the receiver is 79, 80, or 81% complete. They are declaring it to be a firearm, or not. 80% is a marketing term.

 

[namedpipes]

As stated previously... the ATF is not making a determination as to whether the receiver is 79, 80, or 81% complete. They are declaring it to be a firearm, or not. 80% is a marketing term.

Then what is the actual wording of the NY ban?

 

[Jason Flare]

Then what is the actual wording of the NY ban?

Metal that the ATF has determined not to be a firearm in its present state but may be altered through casting or machining and become a firearm as defined by the ATF shall be illegal to possess in the State of New York.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Metal that the ATF has determined not to be a firearm in its present state but may be altered through casting or machining and become a firearm as defined by the ATF shall be illegal to possess in the State of New York.

So, A polymer lower would be good to go.
But not a Shovel.

 

[Jason Flare]

So, A polymer lower would be good to go.
But not a Shovel.

I actually made that up and forgot about polymer.

I told my sister, “If you ban everything bad guys are going to rent trucks.”

 

[namedpipes]

I actually made that up and forgot about polymer.

I told my sister, “If you ban everything bad guys are going to rent trucks.”

Don't give the terrorists any ideas. All we need is for them to realize they can get a higher kill count by driving a truck through a crowd of people.

 

[Prepper]

Metal that the ATF has determined not to be a firearm in its present state but may be altered through casting or machining and become a firearm as defined by the ATF shall be illegal to possess in the State of New York.

All metal in any form fits that definition. So, they just banned everything.