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My pocket carry pistol is a Sig P365 SAS with a spare magazine in another pocket.
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Damn, rubbing salt into the wound! Jealous.My pleasure and the BBQ down here is epic! My smoker is out the back door, my range is 15 steps from my basement walkout
Has a civilian ever lost a defensive fight due to running out of ammo? If you really want to be prepared carry one reload and a second gun with one reload. That makes more sense than 40+ rounds for one handgun. Remember all you have to do is break contact and survive, not conquer Mogadishu.
From the ground with a handgun you are going to shoot at an open window on a large building? I'm willing to accept the official story for sake of discussion, Mr. Paddock was firing from the 32nd floor, that is over 300' from the ground, can you hit a widow 300' up and probably at least double that in distance?
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. I certainly don't want to argue, as you are a long time respected member of the forum, but I would like to answer your direct questions if I may. "Has a civilian ever lost a defensive fight due to running out of ammo?"Has a civilian ever lost a defensive fight due to running out of ammo? If you really want to be prepared carry one reload and a second gun with one reload. That makes more sense than 40+ rounds for one handgun. Remember all you have to do is break contact and survive, not conquer Mogadishu.
That window was 10' tall and 4' wide. ( approximately). Not a residential double hung window. Yes. I could hit that target at 100 yards with every single round, and you could too. I regularly ring steel at 100 yards, with a handgun, at my range and that target is much smaller. My son has been doing it every range trip since he was 10.From the ground with a handgun you are going to shoot at an open window on a large building? I'm willing to accept the official story for sake of discussion, Mr. Paddock was firing from the 32nd floor, that is over 300' from the ground, can you hit a widow 300' up and probably at least double that in distance?
I did the same. It took almost 3 months to come in.While my everyday carry hasn’t changed, the current events gave me the kick in the butt to finally open up the wallet and purchase some body armor.
I did the same. It took almost 3 months to come in.
.... i riot situation you plug the one with the biggest mouth and the rest scatter
Based on the video footage I've bothered to watch:Not much video of people running towards the sound of gunfire
I instantly thought of this story from seven years ago,Has a civilian ever lost a defensive fight due to running out of ammo?
Right on. There you guy, back up handguns and ammo, but you need a battle rifle in the car. And airsupport on comms.I carry a Glock 19 in an IWB with an extra mag. Old S&W 37 in an ankle holster. Dual Ruger 357s in two shoulder holsters. Always have at least 500 extra rounds in the trunk along with 10 gallons of potable water, a hatchet, flares, fishing line, canned food, a tent, baseball glove and ball and level 3 Kevlar body armor and ballistic vest.
Again, so what do you envision, the government being overthrown and you having to fight your way though? To what? Your house where you'll be magically safe? A crowd overwhelming you to the point where some extra rounds and guns will protect you, but not overwhelming you enough that you won't be able to defend yourself period? Some super trained assassin coming to kill you and you're just going to continue to out-ammo him? Like what are these scenarios that people have dreamed up.
We can predict the future from the past. Yes there has been civil unrest in the past, nothing new here. Has anyone(other than Mack Bolan) ever needed 49 pistol rounds in a defensive fight?
Good one. Police firefights are an offensive action, no? They are supposed to fight to the finish not just break contact and run away.Police in Watertown, MA!
I carry a Glock 19 in an IWB with an extra mag. Old S&W 37 in an ankle holster. Dual Ruger 357s in two shoulder holsters. Always have at least 500 extra rounds in the trunk along with 10 gallons of potable water, a hatchet, flares, fishing line, canned food, a tent, baseball glove and ball and level 3 Kevlar body armor and ballistic vest.
Good one. Police firefights are an offensive action, no? They are supposed to fight to the finish not just break contact and run away.
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Tragic boating accident.Police firefights are an offensive action, no? They are supposed to fight to the finish ...
I've always been in the camp that carrying your own personal ammo depot is ridiculous. I've kept silent or politely disagreed when those who ascribe to 'mo is bettah' present their case. At times I've been 'less than polite' to those who claim you'll get your family killed etc. if you don't carry X number of rounds. Single, double, or small groups of assailants can be handled with normal carry probably 99.999% of the time; and the likelihood of running into a life or death situation is nil if you don't live in an extreme risk area and you have reasonable situational awareness.
What's happening today is different, 'normal' has shifted, and the likely threat scenario is vastly different. The probability of getting stuck in one of these leftist zombie fests is still low if you are paying attention and avoid hot spots- but it is still many, many more times likely than it was a year ago. If you are setting yourself up to quickly run out of ammo in a 'civil unrest' scenario- why carry more than one bullet? Maybe someone talking about carrying hundreds of rounds was joking a bit, but in the crazy world of 2020 it just seems prudent to at least have extra mags of decent capacity and perhaps some extra firepower too big to carry but perfectly portable in your vehicle.
If I lived in Boston, first I'd move. If for some reason I could not or simply did not want to move, I'd sure as hell be prepared to deal with getting stuck in a dangerous mob situation.
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OK if you are going to engage the police in a firefight you need more ammo. Or the ability to shoot. Or a rifle, whoever had a rifle and a little discipline should have won promptly. There is so much shady crap with the Boston appliance malfunction I almost wonder if they were shooting blanks at each other.A firefight between Watertown PD and the suspects ensued. While the shootout continued, additional officers from Watertown PD, as well as officers from BPD, Cambridge PD, Transit PD, MSP and nearby communities responded to the scene.43 Over 200 rounds were fired between the two sides. During the firefight, the first suspect was shot as he stood outside the SUV. When he ran out of ammunition, he charged at a Watertown PD officer who was approaching the suspects from behind a residence. This officer tackled the suspect to the ground, and a second Watertown PD officer joined in to assist the officer and attempt to get the suspect in handcuffs. The second suspect entered the SUV and drove directly toward the officers struggling with the first suspect on the ground. The officers were barely able to roll out of the way of the oncoming vehicle; however, the first suspect was not able to get out of the way and was struck and dragged a short distance as the vehicle continued driving down the street. The first suspect was taken into custody and transported by Boston EMS ambulance to Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital.44 The second suspect ultimately drove out of the area, while being shot at by the numerous law enforcement officers lining the streets. The multitude of police vehicles parked in the roadway delayed the pursuit of the second suspect, and he was able to make it approximately one-half mile down the road before abandoning the vehicle on Spruce Street and fleeing on foot.