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and possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber
What is this charge? He had a .38.
What the hell is an unlawful caliber?
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and possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber
What is this charge? He had a .38.
Yes, please, someone explain. I wasn't aware that hollow points were illegal in MA.
Hollow points are the cop killer, assault bullets, right?
Facebook.Okay, I did a search for this press release and couldn't find it on the MSP website nor google. OP, care to cite where you got it?
I've just never heard of any MGL like this: 'possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber'
Wonder what MGL that is?
They are perfectly legal. But if you don't have an FID or LTC, you can't possess ammunition (whether hollow point or otherwise). I'm guessing that the reporter misunderstood what they were told.[/QUOTE]
I don't buy it in this case. It is INTENTIONAL MIS-INFORMATION . . . by the same group that re-wrote S. 131M to meet their objectives (that all pre-ban mags and so-called AWs had to be IN MA on 9/13/1994) w/o benefit of legislative action.
Another piece of proof as to why you do NOT ask police for legal advice on gun issues!!!!
What unlawful caliber was he carrying, exactly?and possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber
call 'em out and ask for MGL cites.
WTF is this?
What unlawful caliber was he carrying, exactly?
The problem with your first statement is if it applies to "lowlifes" it can apply to anyone. I definitely agree with the last statement though.This guy does appear to be a criminal low life, so I won't lose any sleep over the details of his arrest. However, I'm still scratching my head as to why the Staties think hollow points are illegal.
Okay, I guess it's not baffling. They'll throw every single charge at someone and see what sticks.
Anything < .45 is illegal for carry
Someone made a mistake, pretty simple. The person in charge of public affairs is not a trooper.
I did. They posted a correction to the timing of the incident, and I commented a few minutes after that. We'll see if they answer.
Response from MSP:
Massachusetts State Police: The Hollow point charge is for not having the proper license to possess the ammunition.
They are not illegal in NJ
I was referring to CCW with hollow points, so I guess we are both right. Not that anyone can CCW in NJ anyway, so I guess the distinction is moot.N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Yes they are unless the law has changed recently
WTF is this?
What unlawful caliber was he carrying, exactly?
Someone made a mistake, pretty simple. The person in charge of public affairs is not a trooper.
I know a 25+ year trooper who thought all 30 round AR mags are illegal. They are that ignorant of gun laws. This was either incompetence or deliberate misinformation, not a simple honest mistake by a PR minion.
to add to your question: if he was convicted previously of a gun crime, he is now barred from getting a ltc (and therefore owning or possessing a gun) in mass. yet he still had a gun that carried an "unlawful caliber". i thought our great gun control laws were supposed to prevent such happenings? it has become obvious that we need more laws!!!!!I think the more important question should be is if he had convicted once before, why did he go to jail then? As stated other charges not included...Hmmm. The MSP will write as many violations on one incident they can....
No question about it: a bogus report to me.....
Cite the law, please.
1. N.J.S.2C:39-3 is amended to read as follows:
2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices.
a. Destructive devices. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any destructive device is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
b. Sawed-off shotguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any sawed-off shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
c. Silencers. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm silencer is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
d. Defaced firearms. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm which has been defaced, except an antique firearm or an antique handgun, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
f. Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which (a) has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (b) after testing, the Attorney General determines poses a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers because of the materials, be they metallic or nonmetallic, used in its composition or because its ogive, core or jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
I've just never heard of any MGL like this: 'possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber'
I'm calling shenanigans on this. Hollow points are openly sold in Wal-mart and other stores- can't be illegal.
A google for the specific charge "possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber" only reveals one other instance, from 2009 in Pittsfield, MA. At that time, it was a .22 round.
Yes. Especially the super-killy ones that implode.