MSP Gun Arrest.

[Deleted member 12999]

Technically, a cop can charge someone with anything they like, not that they are allowed to or supposed to, but they write a report where they cite statutes by name and offer testimony as to the probable cause for the charges. It gets to court and is dismissed if the charge is bogus and doesn't line up with a statute. I see it often enough that I am not surprised by it any longer. Basically cops are not required by the system to use the same precision as one would hope. Individual PDs and their administrative discipline structure may or may not tolerate this from PD to PD.

I believe that you've seen it... I just know that I can't just make shit up when I do my report because of our software.

 

[FSTC]

Although I will not share more publicly, you can feel free to reach out to me privately (phone only) and I'll explain in more detail.

Why not? since you let the cat out of the bag?

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Yes, please, someone explain. I wasn't aware that hollow points were illegal in MA.

They're not.

 

[hminsky]

What the hell is an unlawful caliber?

.40

Oh wait, that's just an unpopular caliber (around here).

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

A588

thats ****ing New Jersey Helllloooooo!

This incident is in Massachusetts, Not N.J. why does the legallity of anything in N.J. even matter here?

 

[davemata]

I believe that you've seen it... I just know that I can't just make shit up when I do my report because of our software.

So, since the MSP won't respond to me, you might do...

Which MGL states the .38 is an unlawful caliber?

 

[theGringo]

I only load hollow point 'cause they will not shoot through school buses. Safety First. For The Children.

 

[JSnaxx]

From the MSP facebook page

Here are the gun and hollow point ammo seized in the arrest of ROOSEVELT WILKINS described in previous posting. As several readers have correctly noted, hollow point bullets are not illegal, provided you have the proper license for them. The charges in this case are for not being properly licensed to possess the ammo.

Massachusetts State Police - Framingham, MA - Government Organization | Facebook

 

[cthorne98]

What's up with charging him for carrying without a license, AND for carrying without an FID card.

LEO Friend used to say "Dont spare the ink something will stick"

 

[inerlogic]

here we go....
keep 'em F*****s honest...

Massachusetts State Police Hollow point bullets are not of themselves illegal to possess. This suspect does not possess the proper license, or any license for that matter, to possess the ammunition the weapon was loaded with. Thank you all for your comments. We regret the confusion.

 

[bill o]

Don't bother juxtaposing their contradictory quotes, then asking why they don't fix the incorrect information. They will delete your comment.

 

[Bolio]

Huh? What does that have to do with the price of bananas?

The first time they locked him up for doing something he has the right to do. So, the second time makes it even more just?

Does he or does not have a LTC?

2nd offense is the charge.

What are u trying to get at?

 

[Kaldone]

Not that they changed or reissued the release itself.... you have to look into the comments to find it.

or I needed to refresh....

 

[deezwho]

I bet if we had stricter gun control laws he wouldnt have been able to get that gun OR the hollow points.

 

[Terminator03]

Glad they were called on it, and issued that correction at least.

 

[PhilCore5]

I don't even understand why hollow points are controversial. Yes, I know they can be more deadly, but they're safer for everyone else around. They won't penetrate walls or your target keeping everyone else around the target safer. Seems you would want people to use those instead.

 

[swatgig]

Don't bother juxtaposing their contradictory quotes, then asking why they don't fix the incorrect information. They will delete your comment.

Hmmmm..... A gubmint official censoring speech based on content. I think there's some rule against that.

 

[dixidawg]

If it doesn't get corrected it will only be perpetuated.

And that is the whole plan.... armor piercing cop killer bullet don't you know...

 

[invaliduser]

I don't even understand why hollow points are controversial. Yes, I know they can be more deadly, but they're safer for everyone else around. They won't penetrate walls or your target keeping everyone else around the target safer. Seems you would want people to use those instead.

But whoever gets shot with it is more likely to die, now of course they won't allow that

 

[mass]

and possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber

 

[Kaldone]

I think EddieValiant should have put that one up

 

[inerlogic]

correction and photo posted....

 

[bill o]

correction and photo posted....

It's not really a correction, just a contradiction of what is still in the original release, specifically "The weapon was loaded with hollow point bullets, which are illegal in Massachusetts."; and "WILKINS was charged with...possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber."

 

[Joos]

WTF?

I was thinking the same thing. I have the same gun with +P hollow points in my back pocket right now....Am I a felon?

 

[gus310]

I was thinking the same thing. I have the same gun with +P hollow points in my back pocket right now....Am I a felon?

do you have your fid card?

 

[swatgig]

I was thinking the same thing. I have the same gun with +P hollow points in my back pocket right now....Am I a felon?

You can't be a felon, because felons can't carry guns.

 

[inerlogic]

do you have your fid card?

yeh, that's the best part of the charges..... carrying without an FID... you can't carry a revolver WITH an FID......

 

[terraformer]

yeh, that's the best part of the charges..... carrying without an FID... you can't carry a revolver WITH an FID......

That stupidity is related to what I mentioned before. It's a name given to the statute that never applied to the actual statute text. Even judges have picked up on using it. Luckily the SJC references statutes by number now and this is less of a problem, but ADAs make the mistake constantly.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Hmmmm..... A gubmint official censoring speech based on content. I think there's some rule against that.

They make their own laws and rules! Who are we to question them?

 

[Kicker96FS]

I think I figured out what "possession of ammunition of an unlawful caliber" is, you see, a hollow point creates a very small black hole (where the hollow is) and sucks everything into it. Got it?

Now keep telling that to everyone, especially the media, and it will become true!