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It's been mentioned somewhere that they're looking at leaving grandfather clauses out next time around the AWB.
So what would that mean if you already owned something that wasn't grandfathered? , confiscation?
That would be problematic...........
Hey, I didn't say I agreed with it.
Truth be known, they didn't think that far.
Also, they know it has a snowball's chance in hell of getting passed.
It's not specifically you, it's the general indifference towards citizenship; our national cancer of apathy if you will, that bothers me. You were simply emblematic in the moment.
Of course not. It's just how you feel and it's your right to feel that way and express it in the manner you see fit.
Indeed. I'm quite a fan of the entire Bill of Rights. Ipso facto, I see no reason to interpret any one of them in anything but the most expansive terms. We are talking about fundamental rights here. More is always better.
My point was not to give you a high tech bitch slap to make myself feel better. My point was too....
...Get you to think about your position so that you never again say "I can accept that" to anyone who advocates reducing your rights or the rights of any other American individual or group.
It is hard to do that. And yes, the point of view is simple.
That's possible. Though I expect we may disagree on areas of personal liberty and collective rights.
It appears that I am not as nice as you are.
If you read my statement carefully you'll see that the emphasis in not on you leaving, it's on you leaving and making way for someone who understands the value of being a citizen to come here and make a life.
No, I would dismiss you to Cuba for you willingness to be so negligent, so Laissez-faire with the Bill of Rights as if you, personally, had the right to be so cavalier with that which hundreds of thousands of Americans before you died protecting.
Put Obama in - and I believe that the chance of anti gun activity of some form or another goes way up. Legal or not - valid or not. The guy is a liar plain and simple, I don't put anything past him.
Don't bet that they can't retroactively ban something. It's ALREADY been done.
Good that you don't get it. Some of us do get it. Me? I'm just surprised he mentioned it.
Nope, I wouldn't bury any firearms, no sir.
ALL of the ones I own I bought from FFL's, so they are able to be tracked by the 4473's and dealer records.
They'll know I have them, so why bury them?
I'm gettin' a wicked case of deja vu on this. Didn't I say something earlier on this subject? Or was it just a dream?[/B]
Calsdad, you're right.
Only flaw in it is that there is no true Federal database as to who owns what. There are a few state databases, where the state mandates record keeping of sales, or outright registration.
Now, the NICS check isn't even remotely close to a database, even if they defy the law, and keep the records. Having made some NICS calls myself, I can say that all they know about the firearm is handgun or long arm, nothing more. I don't even think they know quantity.
The 4473's and bound books could be gotten from the FFL's, but that won't work so well, as word will travel fast enough that some FFL's will defy law enforcement (an oxymoron in this case) and dispose of the records, probably vanishing themseves.
Besides, it's a little known fact that an FFL can retire his records after a certain amount of time. I won't mention the length it is, though.
I beg to differ, Yoda. I know you too well.
But perhaps further discussion on the matter should be left to something encripted....
John has a long moustache…
The chair is against the wall
CASTLEWOOD, VA — Memo to Barack Obama: don’t mess with Joe BIden’s guns.
At a fish fry for mine workers in rural Southwest Virginia, the Delaware Senator commiserated on being from coal country himself — and did his damndest to convince the blue collar, mostly white Democrats he’s on the ticket to win over that Obama’s one of them as well.
One of rural Democrats’ biggest fears about Obama? That he’ll come after the Second Amendment. Not so, said Biden — and he’d better not try.
“I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said angrily. “They’re going to start peddling that to you.” “I got two, if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”
Biden has said he doesn’t hunt, but shoots skeet with the two shotguns. “I like that little over and under, you know? I’m not bad with it,” he said today.
Much of his remarks focused on protecting labor from the “barbarians at the gates” — as Biden accused George Bush and John McCain of waging a war on unions. The Vice Presidential nominee also kept coal at the forefront, saying he could use the $4 billion in tax breaks that McCain wants to give to oil companies to instead develop clean coal technologies.
But the main message on the trail continues to be economic. Biden bashed McCain for his upcoming artcile urging deregulation of the health care industry to match the deregulation of banks over the last 10 years — just as that deregulation is being blamed for the collapse of several major Wall Street banks. “Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done the last decade for banking, would provide more choices for innovative products and less burden by the worst of the excessive state regulations,”McCain wrote in the September issue of Contingencies, a trade magazine for actuaries.
Biden was happy to translate for the crowd. “Get rid of the regulations, get rid of the protection, and hang on to your health insurance,” he said. “Ladies and gentlemen, this guy’s not learned anything.”
“He wants the health care industry to have new ‘Innovative” products. Let me translate that for you. In the mortgage industry, they talked about new innovative products: Subprime mortgages,” said Biden. “The new product is bringing down our economy.”
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/200...ve-a-problem-if-he-tries-to-take-bidens-guns/
Biden has said he doesn’t hunt, but shoots skeet with the two shotguns. “I like that little over and under, you know? I’m not bad with it,” he said today.
The Fudd Evasion. So long as you have a shotgun that you only use on clay birdies, you're safe.
For now.
So vote for me and I'll screw you last.
The chair is against the wall
More like the frogs are in the pot.The dolphins are in the Hot Tub!
Wow two whole shotguns! He's one of us now! Biden and Obamessiah, please forgive me for ever doubting you.
The shotgun will be at the end of the list of guns to grab, because 1. It might make all the Fudds actually pay attention, and 2. It isn't much of a threat to a well guarded politician due to its short range... scoped hunting rifles will be a higher priority for grabbing.
Probably actually one gun: OVER and UNDER...
Probably actually one gun: OVER and UNDER...
And Biden probably didn't know what it meant either... he probably asked one of his staff to go look up some shotgun-related terms that the general (non-gun) public would not know, so that he could throw it into his speech to look like he knows what he's talking about.
These democrats always seem to become shooters at election time ... Remember THIS primary season classic?
“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl.” - Hillary Clinton
Biden knows those terms already. He architected the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.