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changing gun trends
- Thread starter greencobra
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LTCRN
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For concealed carry, I agree, absolutely pointless, to heavy, to large!
For home defense for those with small hands, not a bad option, especially after adding a Hogue grip. The only other option that would probably work for me, for home defense, would be a 1911.
lol his modified gun doesn’t have the end of the RSA there anymore. You can’t make the front shorter without breaking the gun. Or you quickly end up in R9 territory….
These were actually cool except for the fact that the recoil spring wears out after a couple hundred rounds…. and it’s pretty much impossible to try to hang onto the gun with both hands while firing because there’s just so little real estate there. That’s the other problem with swoopy McGay Gay trigger guards as well… no undercut at least rohrbaugh kind of acknowledged it here by providing a relief…
A Glock 43x, Glock 48, or P365xl would probably be a better choice for someone with small hands. They are available optic ready, can be had with a rail for a light, and have higher capacity.
POCKET-TUK super simple, just there to cover the trigger, I take the clip off and drop it in the pocket. My office has a dress code and this works perfect to not draw attention. Although to be honest I could leave an AR propped up in the corner and they wouldn't care. But some clients might...... OK, our token Lib would care.
I actually got the p232 to replace my Walther PP. It was showing the holster weare and increasing in value since I got it in 89.
this is a PP and P232, the PP is about 1/4" longer than the PPK, otherwise identical. The P232 grip is slightly wider in the middle. But for the most part they are the same size.
Gigantic? Really?
You cut off the RSA dude.
aka that little thing on the front of the gun.ETA: even if you're going to pretend that somehow or another that was hidden inside the dust cover now you've made the entire RSA shorter and 10 bucks says the gun won't work at that point. We're talking about a gun designed by a guy who literally had to patent the trigger to conserve space inside the gun. It's absurd to think he didn't consider making it smaller. Even the MK9/PM9 in 2022 is still near the edge of what you can get away with. I think the only gun that was ever more size efficient (and not completely retarded) was the Boberg XR9-S....
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Isn't the PPK steel, and the 232 aluminum?
See above. If so, must weigh less, right?
Not sure what RSA is, but that was a 4 second MS Paint photo job, using the eraser tool. Whatever it is you're talking about would just be moved back 1/8-1/4 inch. Also shrunk the trigger guard, and erased some material off the back. Take it for what it is: "thinking out loud" using MS Paint; not Japanese or Italian design school. This is the "Changing Gun Trend" thread on a firearms page. You're over-thinking it Mike. Open your mind a teensy bit to the thought that the Kahr could be slimmed ever so lightly.You cut off the RSA dude.
Recoil Spring Assembly
You can't do that without breaking the gun.
My point is "you cant get there from here" unless you're going to come up with an action that violates the laws of physics or maybe use a different action type.... but even with the latter there's a limit to what you can do anyways.
Usually every time some manufacturer gets too cute and gets close to the edge everyone else ends up paying for it in the form of a broken gun.... think Springfield micro compact, etc. Junk.
All this cosmetic stuff does is ends up causing other problems. basically you think it's free lunch but I disagree because I've seen otherwise. "Making the gun look pretty" as a design priority ends up just f****** you up in the ass in the real world.
NHKevin
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People buy guns for aesthetics alone all the time.
That actually looks halfway decent. Are they still available? Know if they are any good?
Not a concern. In the winter, normal size guns are more easily carried.
This discussion was about gun trends. I think 1/2 of this came out of "guns getting smaller" conversation.
Not often in the category of guns that we're talking about. That's an impossibly small percentage of the market that's literally not even worth caring about. If people want pretty looking pocket guns they can still go out and buy a PPK or a Seecamp. (Both of which are still made).
The R9 works great as long as you stick to their doctorine of changing the recoil spring every 200 rds or so and not using really hot ammo.... (the gun is so small you wouldn't want +p here anyways) you also had to have about $1,200 to spend but I don't even know if they make them anymore.
Shush, LOL. The Boberg is a pretty cool piece of engineering. The one thing I don't get is the case foam extra space at the muzzle end. Phantom barrel pain after the amputation? Props to @drgrant for mentioning it.
Being that way talking about small guns that's probably about 80% of the "trending" in the industry...... autos that hold 10-12 rounds or
less, targeting growing carry market. If I was going to hazard a guess these type of guns probably make up like a easy 70% of all new handgun sales today. Shields, 365, hellcat, 43x, 43.... 42, bg380, lcp, lcp max etc. And smaller guns, even.
I don't know if he ever made it but I think there is actually a version with a longer barrel I think it was just called the xr9 or (xr9-c?) so they probably made boxes to accommodate both guns....Shush, LOL. The Boberg is a pretty cool piece of engineering. The one thing I don't get is the case foam extra space at the muzzle end. Phantom barrel pain after the amputation? Props to @drgrant for mentioning it.
Wait, I thought it was YOU who was saying these (PPK) are too big for pocket carry. Now you've got me confused.
232/PPK too light or too heavy, Mike? Pocketable or NOT pocketable? Those guns seem to have you over a barrel whichever way you turn.
My point is if aesthetics are important you have stuff to buy, even if the choices are dumb or not too practical. Outside of the trigger being awful the PPK is actually a decent carry gun form factor wise, assuming you have one that's reliable. There are worse guns to carry.
You got me. Size? Shape? Aesthetics? Which is it? Sounds like we're talking about the same thing this entire time, but you refuse to consider a smaller version of this is possible, or a different gun that is smaller but not butt ugly. I refuse to accept too big AND too ugly. There is a place for bigger guns. Guns never need to be ugly, but I guess for some reasons (probably cost being biggest), are willing to accept some ugliness. Go back and look at the "Yeet Cannon".
Some of it is cost, some is mechanics/physics( Aesthetics actually interfere with the function of the gun you can't have faggedy swooping trigger guards and mount flashlights at the same time, on some guns) the rest of it is is that it quite literally doesn't matter.... basically nobody except for you actually cares.
that's being polite.... these guns are tools for most people not show pieces. You're asking for silver hammers in a market where nobody cares about buying a silver hammer.Yeah but that's hi point, the special ed bus of firearms. There's nothing there but cost optimization nothing else is happening.....
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Both the 230 and 232 came in either AL, blue finish, or steel, stainless steel finish.
My PP is just a little heavier than the PPK, with it's slightly longer barrel and identical frame. And I can tell you that the P232 (in AL) is so close in weight that you wouldn't notice unless you were holding both, which is what I did.
I will say I like the flatter grip of the Walther better, it's just enough to notice when carrying. That's why I recently got a West German PPK/S, figured it could replace my PP as a carrier instead of the p232. Problem is, when I got the PPK/S it's in perfect condition, I doubt it's been fired beyond the factory test. I've never had a safe queen, but it's tempting to keep it so perfectly clean.
