Yup, different standard is applied to them. In their defense, they are charged with arresting people, which is something us non-cops should rarely attempt.
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They're in a class of handgun that never gets a light though...... not to mention snub revolvers are not exactly a burgeoning category of firearms in the past few years..... no offense but if you think that a revolver is a popular concealed carry choice you are smoking something resembling crack. Let's put it this way.... I worked in retail selling guns for the past 2 years during covid.... and I sold a /shitload/ of guns.... I could probably count the number of revolvers that I sold in that window on less than two hands....... sure there are some guys that are old school that still carry snubs or whatever but they're pretty much a minority. .. I'm not knocking the choice (i like snubs for various reasons even if i don't have one right now) but I'm just saying that none of the noobs are intentionally choosing that these days. Snub nose revolvers are borderline statistically insignificant in handgun sales. Even vomit-40s are out selling snubs.... and they're not that popular either.
ETA: the other thing is you're also talking about a class of handgun that customarily always had a rounded trigger guard of some type. Modern semiautos mostly have not had this swoopy b******* going on, save for the P239 and a few others. Actually as a case in point I will use Jesus Christ"s handgun the 1911 usually has a rounded trigger guard... but for most intents and purposes it's almost squared...
it makes 90° pretty fast.
I dont mnow why, but I thought of This is The End, but with mag dump.
Danny McBride: I'll mag dump wherever the **** I want, James. I'll ****in' mag dump in your kitchen, I'll mag dump on your ****in' art, I'LL MAG DUMP ANYWHERE I WANT!
James Franco: I will ****in' mag dump right on you! I will mag dump like a ****in' madman all over you, McBride!
Danny McBride: Ooh! I ****in' wish you'd mag dump on me right now, I ****in' DARE YOU TO MAG DUMP ON ME!
[Both men exchange gun gestures at each other]
Danny McBride: [Grabbing a gun between his legs] I'm gonna jack my trigger so ****in' hard in here!
I thought they were enjoying a big comeback. Maybe I'm wrong.
The points of compactness and "pocketability" are mostly in the way.
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This scene sums it up pretty accurately. '38 dont jam' 'dont hold fifteen neither'They're in a class of handgun that never gets a light though...... not to mention snub revolvers are not exactly a burgeoning category of firearms in the past few years..... no offense but if you think that a revolver is a popular concealed carry choice you are smoking something resembling crack. Let's put it this way.... I worked in retail selling guns for the past 2 years during covid.... and I sold a /shitload/ of guns.... I could probably count the number of revolvers that I sold in that window on less than two hands....... sure there are some guys that are old school that still carry snubs or whatever but they're pretty much a minority. .. I'm not knocking the choice (i like snubs for various reasons even if i don't have one right now) but I'm just saying that none of the noobs are intentionally choosing that these days. Snub nose revolvers are borderline statistically insignificant in handgun sales. Even vomit-40s are out selling snubs.... and they're not that popular either.
ETA: the other thing is you're also talking about a class of handgun that customarily always had a rounded trigger guard of some type. Modern semiautos mostly have not had this swoopy b******* going on, save for the P239 and a few others. Actually as a case in point I will use Jesus Christ"s handgun the 1911 usually has a rounded trigger guard... but for most intents and purposes it's almost squared...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwogM2DL99o
youngins these days need that bullet capacity for spray and prays. sucks to miss only 5 shots then you hear a click and don't know how to reload a cylinder under pressure.
My Kahr PM9 has a laser on the front and still conceals perfectly in my pocket.
EJFudd
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Maybe not the world's greatest comeback, but the cheaper, lightweight ones S&W and Ruger are making seem to be fairly popular. A lot depends on the store. I have a feeling that Bass Pro and Cabela's sell a lot more of them than the guys at the Mill.
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R&R, Bob's, ...Maybe not the world's greatest comeback, but the cheaper, lightweight ones S&W and Ruger are making seem to be fairly popular. A lot depends on the store. I have a feeling that Bass Pro and Cabela's sell a lot more of them than the guys at the Mill.
EJFudd
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... and FSGuns too.
Dude, really?
A S&W 642 weighs 14.4 oz. A Kahr PM9 is smaller than the 642 AND lighter: 14 oz. If you can carry a 642 in those you can also carry a PM9.
If you prefer a 642, have at it. I’ve had both. I sold the 642 because the PM9 is so much easier to shoot accurately and is also far more comfortable to shoot, even though it shoots higher power ammo. But if a revolver floats your boat, have at it.
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RKG was at the RI qual, and he mentioned that back when Smith was making their excellent quality, 3rd gen, metal frame pistols, it cost them $52 to create the metal frame for that gun. Glock came on the scene, and were able to make their Tupperware frames for 22 cents. Since people like cheap guns, the plastic gun took the market by storm.
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and why do they call it Kydex? It's f***ing plastic!
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Same reason some guns are made out of space age polymer.
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you know space age started like 60+ years ago. It ain't that new of advanced.
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true refinement would be 40/70
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I took it, and drew a line INSIDE the old one.
see above
smaller, opinion
Not sure where you pulled that one out of.
My crusade is to hunt down infidels who blaspheme the 1911. Shame! Shame! Shame!They're in a class of handgun that never gets a light though...... not to mention snub revolvers are not exactly a burgeoning category of firearms in the past few years..... no offense but if you think that a revolver is a popular concealed carry choice you are smoking something resembling crack. Let's put it this way.... I worked in retail selling guns for the past 2 years during covid.... and I sold a /shitload/ of guns.... I could probably count the number of revolvers that I sold in that window on less than two hands....... sure there are some guys that are old school that still carry snubs or whatever but they're pretty much a minority. .. I'm not knocking the choice (i like snubs for various reasons even if i don't have one right now) but I'm just saying that none of the noobs are intentionally choosing that these days. Snub nose revolvers are borderline statistically insignificant in handgun sales. Even vomit-40s are out selling snubs.... and they're not that popular either.
ETA: the other thing is you're also talking about a class of handgun that customarily always had a rounded trigger guard of some type. Modern semiautos mostly have not had this swoopy b******* going on, save for the P239 and a few others. Actually as a case in point I will use Jesus Christ"s handgun the 1911 usually has a rounded trigger guard... but for most intents and purposes it's almost squared...
And snubbies definitely have their niche. I prefer them as a last resort weapon- you know, throw them at the BG because there is no way in hell I'm going to hit the target with a snubbie.
I like illuminated optics for paper punching games. What I think is stupid is to use any type of battery powered optic for EDC self defense firearms, thus except for the paper punching or perhaps hunting I think battery powered optics are a ridiculous fad. My following opinion is not directed at you but at the forum in general:
There are a lot of stupid arguments in favor of battery powered optics. Yes, of course they have been fully adopted by many if not most military forces. OK, if you have a pack and pockets full of gear, back-up people, and battlefield supply chain following you around on your daily errands- why not? B-b-but some have a bazillion hours of useful life, motion activated on/off, etc. The battery is still a failure point and IMO still a ridiculous over-complication for life threatening scenarios. Faster target acquisistion blah blah blah. BS, and JFC learn to use iron sights.
Everybody faps to their John Wick fantasies when planning for self defense. Guess what? You are not going to be attacked by a group of IPSC cardboard cut-out ninjas who will spread out in front of you and hold still while you drop mag and reload. I'd wager that 99.99% of the time your attacker(s) will be right in your face and quickly closing whatever distance, if any. What was happening to Kyle when he was left with no choice but to pull the trigger?
Save the batteries for your airsoft gadgets. Learn to use iron sights for EDC's. You like a well lit dot for aiming? Fiber optic and tritium front sights don't need batteries.
There's my opinion on a trend.
I've spent nearly 30 years shooting iron sights. I know how to use them. But like many people my age, I just can't use them well anymore. Presbyopia is a thing most of us over 60 will experience. I just can't focus on a front sight anymore without reading glasses. In a defensive situation, I can't expect to have the time needed to put on my reading glasses.
Many defensive shootings occur in low light. Red dots are so much easier in low-light than even night sights it is like cheating.
As for the battery, they last multiple years. I replace the batteries once a year. Replacing the batteries on Holosun models is trivially easy. If that is hard for some folks to remember to do, a repeating reminder in a calendar app is trivially easy to set up. Every time I holster my carry gun, I check that the magazines are full, that the chamber is full, and that the red dot is on. The chance of the red dot failing between the time I holster in the morning and later that day when a defensive incident occurs is slim.
Like anything else, red dots have advantages and disadvantages. You cited the disadvantages but did not acknowledge the advantages.
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Many slide mounted red dots allow for co-witnessing of iron signts.
Competitions shooting and the civilian market is often the trial ground for new things. Practical shooting competitors were using optics on ARs long before the military made it pretty much standard, and some PDs are now moving to slide mounted rear sights.
Competitions shooting and the civilian market is often the trial ground for new things. Practical shooting competitors were using optics on ARs long before the military made it pretty much standard, and some PDs are now moving to slide mounted rear sights.
DarkJoker33
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I'm wondering what really caused the striker fire over hammer fired trend.
Just seems that everything is striker now a days and only classic style guns(92,226,911) etc are hammer.
Very few newish pistols are hammer fired. (Fnx45, hk45, p30)
Just seems that everything is striker now a days and only classic style guns(92,226,911) etc are hammer.
Very few newish pistols are hammer fired. (Fnx45, hk45, p30)
Less training for police agencies for a striker-fired gun versus either DA/SA or SAO with a safety. I suspect they are also cheaper to make.
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When I go through the options SAO, DA/SA, and DAO, comparing to striker, the striker doesn't win along every dimension of comparison, but it places well. It's a pretty clear overall winner. I don't carry one, but I like the DA/SA fine. It is more work, however, to stay proficient with the DA pull. It's easy for me because I'm a revolver shooter, but for your average not-a-gun-guy cop?
