Being afraid to go somewhere and being prepared for what you may encounter when going somewhere are two very different things. To confuse the two may prove a fatal mistake.
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Carrying OC @ a Pat's game?
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Being afraid to go somewhere and being prepared for what you may encounter when going somewhere are two very different things. To confuse the two may prove a fatal mistake.
Agreed. I carry OC with me everywhere I go, its always in my pocket. I'm not afraid, its just become another thing that comes along with me.
The last time I was there, the "pat down" consisted of me lifting my arms, and the 18 year old kid in a suit touched the thumb sides of his hands to me three times, just below the armpits, at the waist, and mid thigh, no other contact whatsoever. The only weapon he would've caught was if I was carrying a Whippet like Clyde Barrow used to.
There's more to the stadium than the stands too, there's bars, vendors, and tens of thousands of people milling around.
We have a winner.
My best friend used to have a Burmese python, about 10 feet long. I remember him feeding it, rats and bunnies and such. Sometimes, you'd drop them in the cage, and they'd tremble in the corner, expecting what was coming. Other times they'd amble around aimlessly with no idea that they were about to die. But every single time, they were in danger, because they were in the presence of a predator.
Whether or not you recognize danger has nothing to do with whether or not you're in danger.
I'm not afraid to go anywhere without protection. I don't live my life by waking up, putting on a gun to go to the bank (dangerous there), take it off to go to a sports event (safe there), put it back on to go to a bad neighborhood (dangerous there)...
If I'm wearing pants (or shorts) and it's legal for me to be, then I'm armed. I don't drink, and I avoid bad situations, and simply by nature of my lifestyle, there's very few times in my life that I have to disarm. When I do, I don't sweat it, I go on with my life, it just means that I have one less tool to fix problems if they arise.
I'd rather trust my life to tools in my own hands than trust that the management will ban the guys who stomped me to death in a drunken rage, or who shattered the bones in my face, or anything else that happens everywhere else in the world.
Their rules don't prevent bad things from happening there, they only define how their staff are supposed to react when they do.
Word!
Smartcarry will get you through a pat down, not a metal detector.
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Haven't been to the new complex, do they have detectors on all entrances?
dhuze
NES Member
Now that everyone mentions it I think I'll never leave my house without being armed. It's a scary world out there.
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There are over 100,000 people at the stadium on game days (not to mention all the people shopping at the shops and restarants) and that violent drunk is going to target the person who is minding his own bussiness?
I just don't get the need to carry protection everywhere I go. Maybe I need to be more paranoid being that I travel the United State year round.
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Now that everyone mentions it I think I'll never leave my house without being armed. It's a scary world out there.
There are over 100,000 people at the stadium on game days (not to mention all the people shopping at the shops and restarants) and that violent drunk is going to target the person who is minding his own bussiness?
I just don't get the need to carry protection everywhere I go. Maybe I need to be more paranoid being that I travel the United State year round.
I don't think everyone is here is being paranoid. Honestly, I'm surprised by your point of view. I would've thought that most individuals who have sought out this website and choose to spend their time and energy here would be more like-minded.
The literal question that this thread posed was simply: "Am I ALLOWED to carry OC to a Pat's game?"
It was not "Am I going to die if I ever leave the confines of my fortress without being armed ot the teeth with my AR-15, Full-size 1911, Back-up gun, flashlight, OC, body armor, knife and kubaton???"
This was never intended to be a doomsday thread of paranoia of public gatherings, nor do I think anyone else has turned it into such.
Mods: Please feel free to close this thread whenever you see fit. My original question has been answered and fulfilled several times over, and I see no need for this "paranoid" talk to continue. I think everyone has made their points here.
I thank everyone who took the time to answer the question I presented.
-Jeremy
Now that everyone mentions it I think I'll never leave my house without being armed. It's a scary world out there.
There are over 100,000 people at the stadium on game days (not to mention all the people shopping at the shops and restarants) and that violent drunk is going to target the person who is minding his own bussiness?
I just don't get the need to carry protection everywhere I go. Maybe I need to be more paranoid being that I travel the United State year round.
Do you wear your seatbelt whenever you are in the car? Are you paranoid that you are going to get into a car accident?
dhuze
NES Member
I wear my seatbelt because I am required by law to. I drive thousands of miles a year and I do not worry about being in an accident.
What amazes me is that my point of view must be rediculous because I don't agree with the majority.
Who ever used the said your point of view was "rediculous"? Which, by the way, is spelled "ridiculous".
Will someone close this thread already?
Where's the chick driving the Ferrari with the cat on the back when you need it???
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dhuze
NES Member
Who ever used the said your point of view was "rediculous"? Which, by the way, is spelled "ridiculous".
Will someone close this thread already?
Where's the chick driving the Ferrari with the cat on the back when you need it???
You got me with a typo. Good for you.
Now we need to close a thread because you do not agree with the discussion or the way the thread turned? Lets close all threads that deviated from the origional topics while we are at it.
I just don't see the point in expending any more time or energy on a thread whose original question has been answered.
Thanks again to all who contributed valid information to the pertinent issue.
-Jeremy
Now that everyone mentions it I think I'll never leave my house without being armed. It's a scary world out there.
There are over 100,000 people at the stadium on game days (not to mention all the people shopping at the shops and restarants) and that violent drunk is going to target the person who is minding his own bussiness?
I just don't get the need to carry protection everywhere I go. Maybe I need to be more paranoid being that I travel the United State year round.
Your right, it is a safe world out there. Clearly being surrounded by 100,000 people and minding your own business was enough to resolve the issues at Ft. Hood and Virginia Tech.
I too travel the US, and the world for that matter, year round. Id be much more comfortable if the world I saw was as peaceful and kind as the one you live in.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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I've been to three. Twice to Foxborough Stadium and once to Gillette. There's tons of a security, so I'll concede a point to you. But remember, security, police, etc. have no obligation to protect you.
I'm not so much worried what would happen at the actual event, but what would happen after the event? What about before? You have to get there and have to leave? I've been to a few games at Fenway, left everything at home and then had to get on the Green Line at 10:30 PM at Kenmore. There's some sketchy folks that meander through the streets of Boston at those hours.
Again, this is one of the reasons why I choose not to go to ballparks. If they didn't prohibit carry, I'd reconsider.
Word!
Smartcarry will get you through a pat down, not a metal detector.
Haven't been to the new complex, do they have detectors on all entrances?
I believe they do have detectors or at least wands. I went to Gillette once, in 2006. I wasn't carrying. I had to go through a detector, a pat down, and a wand. One of our business partners at the time owned a luxury box.
I bet you have one of those damned fire extinguishers in your kitchen. You freak! What do you think, something would catch on fire? Next to a stove or a microwave? Ha. It's never happened to me and it's never happened in the history of indoor kitchens!
Now that everyone mentions it I think I'll never leave my house without being armed. It's a scary world out there.
There are over 100,000 people at the stadium on game days (not to mention all the people shopping at the shops and restarants) and that violent drunk is going to target the person who is minding his own bussiness?
I just don't get the need to carry protection everywhere I go. Maybe I need to be more paranoid being that I travel the United State year round.
I've been to some 3rd world countries unarmed, and bad areas all around the US and it's never left me shaking in my boots. Maybe I should rephrase this.
When do you carry and why? Do you have guns in your house for self defense? Are they always ready or just sometimes? What motivates you to be armed any of the time?
Yup.
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I went to the Carolina game a few weeks ago. There were no metal detectors or wands used. Just pat-downs.
Somebody mentioned Smart Carry. Yes, one were so inclined, they'd possibly be able to get passed security with a firearm or other contraband.
However, I stand by my previous statement: I don't frequent stadiums often. I've been to three sporting events in as many years. If I can't bring my tools to defend myself, I don't go.
dcmdon
NES Member
The bottom line is that Pats stadium is private property. They've got a perfectly good right to restrict what you can bring into their tent. Just as you could choose to not allow armed people into your home.
If you don't like the rules, you have the option of not attending the game.
With all that said, while thats their right, you could also try to get one in concealed if you wish. In CT, if you bring a gun onto posted private property most agree you could only be charged with trespassing. (although nobody has ever been prosecuted for this so its an educated guess)
I used to attend concerts at The Meadows in Hartford. I think its called the Dodge now. What a freaking hell show. You park a half mile away at the Jai ali place then walk to the stadium cutting through back lots. The trip to the theater is not bad. Its the trip back at 11:00 pm with all kind of less than savory folks waiting to try to sell stuff to people. Its actually a bit frightening at times. I've carried into the Meadows. Never had any trouble. For me, its the old "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 mentality.
Don
p.s. Since the Casino's have opened for concerts I see no reason to ever go to the meadows again. Seeing a show at the casinos is a wonderfully civilized experience. Valet parking, nice dinner before the show, and then an orderly ingress.
If you don't like the rules, you have the option of not attending the game.
With all that said, while thats their right, you could also try to get one in concealed if you wish. In CT, if you bring a gun onto posted private property most agree you could only be charged with trespassing. (although nobody has ever been prosecuted for this so its an educated guess)
I used to attend concerts at The Meadows in Hartford. I think its called the Dodge now. What a freaking hell show. You park a half mile away at the Jai ali place then walk to the stadium cutting through back lots. The trip to the theater is not bad. Its the trip back at 11:00 pm with all kind of less than savory folks waiting to try to sell stuff to people. Its actually a bit frightening at times. I've carried into the Meadows. Never had any trouble. For me, its the old "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 mentality.
Don
p.s. Since the Casino's have opened for concerts I see no reason to ever go to the meadows again. Seeing a show at the casinos is a wonderfully civilized experience. Valet parking, nice dinner before the show, and then an orderly ingress.
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Actually, another forum member here showed me that it's a felony to carry a gun onto property where the property owner doesn't want you to in Connecticut, here in this thread.
I'm unaware of any prosecutions based on this though, although I would be interested to know if there have been any.
richc
NES Member
Just curious... assume one were to carry onto private property where weapons are specifically prohibited by the property owner. Basically you snuck it in.
If you use your firearm to protect your life, assuming an absolutely clear cut case of a clean shoot, would you be subject to any criminal charges because you were carrying in a place like Gillette?
If you use your firearm to protect your life, assuming an absolutely clear cut case of a clean shoot, would you be subject to any criminal charges because you were carrying in a place like Gillette?
amb
NES Member
I think I'm not quite beating a dead horse here yet, so...
Nothing ever wrong with asking the question, but there is a downside to actually going and carrying. A lot of people want to go to the game to drink a bunch of beer and get really worked up about the game, and I at least have (self-imposed) standards for carrying that wouldn't allow that. Everybody manages their own risk differently, but I do think a lot of people would make the same call. (I also think that's the stadium owners are going to great pains to maintain an environment where it's OK to cut loose like that.)
I pretty much agree with the "private property, they get to make the rules" crowd, but given how much public money is going into some stadium deals these days, I'm getting more annoyed by it all.
Nothing ever wrong with asking the question, but there is a downside to actually going and carrying. A lot of people want to go to the game to drink a bunch of beer and get really worked up about the game, and I at least have (self-imposed) standards for carrying that wouldn't allow that. Everybody manages their own risk differently, but I do think a lot of people would make the same call. (I also think that's the stadium owners are going to great pains to maintain an environment where it's OK to cut loose like that.)
I pretty much agree with the "private property, they get to make the rules" crowd, but given how much public money is going into some stadium deals these days, I'm getting more annoyed by it all.
From my understanding, you would not be charged. A "no weapons" policy is not a law. If you are caught breaking that policy you will be asked to leave and if you don't leave you can then be charged with criminal trespassing or something along those lines.
rep308
NES Member
I use to carry in nip bottles in my socks, worked every time. I remember those days and wouldn't go to a night game on a bet. Remember when Howie Carr use to have a contest on the number of people that would be arrested at each game?
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Foxboro PD and MSP used to average ~300 arrests/game. Every year a few innocent people were killed by OUI drivers crossing the double-yellow line on US-1 and doing a head-on collision while leaving the stadium, thus the current Jersey barriers all along that section of US-1.
I don't know the current stats, as I'm no longer with a PD and have no interest in being within 5 miles of that location when a game is about to happen/end.
I don't know the current stats, as I'm no longer with a PD and have no interest in being within 5 miles of that location when a game is about to happen/end.
The Country Gazette is usually filled with at least a dozen or so arrests during and after the game.
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