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Yeah, I knew all along that this wouldn't work. I threw it out mostly as a place for a judge to "hang his hat on" if he felt that Gemme was being a jerk from begining to end. Kind of like some liberal judges find whacky theories to hang their hat on to free some alleged criminals when the judges don't like the obvious outcome.Nice try but no cigar,
Do you know that to be a fact and are you aware that sworn police officers in Massachusetts may "carry on the badge" and are not required by statute to have a LTC?(even though many departments require it...not a state law).
Of course even it Gemme doesn't require his officers to be licensed, the point would still be moot because the officers were acting in their capacity as LEOS and would be carrying "on the badge"
I certainly would. When was the last time you ever heard of a dead man molesting a kid, or teaching school for that matter? More to the point, why is it that you want to let convicted child molesters (who have recidivism rates close to 100%) free to walk the streets and prey on more kids? Given my druthers, they'd get out of prison in a box.So I guess some here would let convicted child molesters become teachers after they get out of jail....
That is exactly what I did at that range a few weeks ago! I thought I had and interest in shooting. I figured why not give it a try before I go jump through the hoops to get my LTC. I don't know anyone in Mass. that has a LTC so I hit the web and found Boston Gun Range. I drove down there, rented a Ruger Mk II and gave it a try. The person showed me how to use the gun and gave me the standard safety instructions: finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, keep gun pointing downrange, if it jams raise your hand and the range officer will clear it for you. He even specifically mentioned not taking any souvenirs (cartridges or casings) as it was a $5k fine. You know what I LOVED IT. I signed up for a course in May and I'll apply for my LTC. If there wasn't a place like this I'm not sure I would had have had a chance to try it and find out.What is wrong with someone renting a gun to see what they want when they get their license? Or who just wants to try it and see if they want to go through the asspain of getting a license? It sure would suck to spend $75 on a class and another $100 for the license, to realize that you just don't like shooting (I'm sure some people don't, I hate golf, but you don't see me trying to ban a driving range, although they are a waste of a perfectly good rifle range).
Somewhat unrelated but that's exactly what we do in our Basic Pistol Course at the end. All students have the opportunity to try out over thirty handguns ranging from a 22lr up to a 45ACP as part of the course.If there wasn't a place like this I'm not sure I would had have had a chance to try it and find out.
More to the point, why is it that you want to let convicted child molesters (who have recidivism rates close to 100%) free to walk the streets and prey on more kids? Given my druthers, they'd get out of prison in a box.
You know what I LOVED IT. I signed up for a course in May and I'll apply for my LTC. If there wasn't a place like this I'm not sure I would had have had a chance to try it and find out.
Or maybe it would spur on a bunch of new memberships.Are there any other ranges (outdoor, private, whatever) in the area that this ordinance covers? If so, are thay also targetted or is this directed at only Mark's range? If they are subject to this ordinance, are members now prohibited from allowing family member and guests to use their firearms at these ranges? I certainly hope that this doesn't grow to a Statewide statute. Would spell the end of lots of range memberships.
Marshall and Barbaree (1990) says upto 40%. Many reports compute figures lower than 100%.I certainly would. When was the last time you ever heard of a dead man molesting a kid, or teaching school for that matter? More to the point, why is it that you want to let convicted child molesters (who have recidivism rates close to 100%) free to walk the streets and prey on more kids? Given my druthers, they'd get out of prison in a box.
I disagree. Felons should have their rights restored upon release from prison and at the end of any probabtion period. IMO once someone has paid their debt to society they should have the same rights as any other private citizen.
If you don't want to let them out, then why argue for restrictions on their employment or residence after they're let out? I'll continue to focus my attention where I think it's most important, i.e., never letting them see the light of day except through bars.Where have I ever said that I would let them out??????
Let them rot in hell!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080425/NEWS/804250617/1101Chief Gemme, who was away at a police conference in Florida, said in a telephone interview yesterday afternoon that the notion he is out to get Boston Gun Range is a “worn-out legal tactic.”
No, I believe there's an exception to every rule. I thinkcertain classes of crimes should be treated differently. I don't think all felonies should be lumped together and all felons should be stripped of their rights upon release. IMO, murder and rape especially of children would mean life in prison with no parole and no exceptions. Of course in MA, we love to give second, thrid, fourth, hell even fifth chances to our beloved diddlers. I do think it absurd, however that we treat someone convicted of securities or wire fraud the exact same as a murderer in terms of their gun rights after their prison terms. Raping children creates a debt to society far too big to ever really be repaid...So...I ask you, do you believe this of ALL felonies? You believe that someone who has been convicted and served their time for rape of a child should have their rights restored. They should be allowed to work with children once they paid their debt to society?
The lawyer, James P. Ehrhard of Worcester, also argued that the undercover police officers who rented guns, and bought and fired ammunition at the Route 20 range while posing as civilians without FID cards in a sting operation late last month, are licensed to carry firearms by virtue of being sworn police officers.
“We may not have seen the licenses, but the ordinance doesn’t say we have to,” Mr. Ehrhard said. He later added, “There’s been no violation. Four licensed police officers fired guns.”
Why can't the range use the defense that the undercover vice detectives did have licenses?
The Chief had better say an extra prayer that none of his officers does the deed with a PD issued pistol. To be consistent, he'd have to disarm the force.Chief Gemme said:and when you look at injuries to a suicide, not their first suicide, it’s my obligation to make sure we investigate that.
The exact same thought crossed my mind when I read the article.Mr. Ehrhard should have asked our Mark056. He would have told him, "Nice try but no cigar," the reply I got when I posted:
Just because the court courteously listens to an argument from a member of the bar does not mean it was taken seriously. This defense ranks right up there with "The officer my client met for an agreed upon sexual rendevous was not a 14 year old, but a 34 year old, therefore, no crime was committed".I am a bit surprised that it was taken seriously
Apparently you missed my post where I very clearly in plain English stated that there are exceptions to every rule. I, in no uncertain terms that rapists and murderers cannot repay their debt. They should stay in prison for LIFE. end of story. People who commit lesser crimes and complete their sentence should have their rights restored. We seem to agree on this.The statement that felons that have paid their dues to society, restore their wright's, bulls**t lets see if you would want them restored after they have raped your wife or your family member....
The restoration of their "wrights" has nothing to do with their ability nor their inclination to rape, kill, etc. , unless you buy into the argument that having an intangible item (ie a right) or an inanimate object (ie a gun) suddenly makes them into a murderer or rapist.
I have no sympathy nor quarter for cold-blooded murderers or rapists, however I still hold that the vast majority of felons have indeed served their debt and should get , not a spotlessly clean record, but at least have a chance of starting over, including their ability to protect themselves.
Thursday, May 8, 2008
Boston Gun Range license not renewed
Lawyer says range will not shut down
By Scott J. Croteau TELEGRAM & GAZETTE
WORCESTER— The Boston Gun Range’s license to operate was not renewed by the License Commission today, and city officials will now ask a judge to revoke three police chief-issued licenses that allow the business to rent firearms, sell ammunition, and operate as a gunsmith.
In a 2-1 vote, the commission did not renew Boston Gun Range’s license to operate what city law classifies as a “shooting gallery.”
After the meeting, lawyer James P. Ehrhardcq of Worcester, who represents the range’s owner, Mark Tashjian, said the business will remain open. He had told the commission at an earlier meeting that not renewing the license would not shut down the Route 20 business because it could operate as a gun range under state law.
“They can’t operate in the city of Worcester because they no longer have a license to operate a shooting gallery in the city,” Police Chief Gary J. Gemme said today. “We will monitor the business to determine they are not operating as a shooting gallery and monitor to make sure they are using the licenses I issue appropriately.”
The license to operate expired May 1, but the commission extended the expiration date until today’s hearing.
The Police Department alleged that the Boston Gun Range allowed some patrons to target shoot without a Firearms Identification card or a license to carry firearms.
A police investigation showed the management was not checking people to see whether they had an FID card or license to carry when shooting at the facility.
Mr. Ehrhard again argued today that, under state law, a person may handle and shoot a firearm at a gun range if he or she is with someone who has a valid Firearms Identification card.
See the full story in tomorrow's Telegram & Gazette.
They elect the people that hire the police chief. So by virtue of electing anti-gun douchebags, they get an anti-gun douchebag as COP. And where did I say they elected the COP, anyway? You inferred that, but I never said it.And since when are police chiefs elected?