Texas is like a different planet

[wheelgun]

Link:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/08/they-tried-to-steal-a-truck-in-houston-but-the-trucks-owners-were-armed/

"...... they heard the car alarm go off, walking outside to see one thief pull away in their truck while a presumed accomplice escaped in a tan Chevy Suburban. The brothers immediately gave chase, shooting at the stolen truck until the thief lost control and then, sheriff’s deputies said, walking up to the truck and shooting some more....

The man inside the truck was shot in the head and killed, police said, and the circumstances of the shooting will be referred to a grand jury, though as of Sunday morning, neither brother had been injured and no charges had been filed."
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If this had happened in Mass. they would have already been convicted and put away for life.

 

[CBL]

They're in the clear...

§ 9.42. TEXAS DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

How it should be, It helps to deter some of the scumbag criminals.

§ 9.42. TEXAS DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

 

[Hoover]

The guy that killed the two thiefs from robbing his neighbor, I believe was tried but the jury would not convict. I think most states are normal oncw you get south of VA.

 

[cekim]

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" actually belies the belief of many/most/perhaps all of the founders that "life, liberty and property" were the principle things that government was supposed to protect.

The view of lethal force to protect property stems from the understanding that property is accumulated via trading your time (life) in return for goods/money/etc...

As such, Texas' view of this represents the common view before progressives got to work restoring monarchy where the king owns all property and allows you to use it if you ask nicely and behave.

Texas is not the "whole other world" on this issue - MA and other progressive havens are the exception and alien view to the Constitution. The fact that they have convinced people to the contrary is another wild success of their propaganda campaign.

 

[Squire]

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" actually belies the belief of many/most/perhaps all of the founders that "life, liberty and property" were the principle things that government was supposed to protect.

The view of lethal force to protect property stems from the understanding that property is accumulated via trading your time (life) in return for goods/money/etc...

As such, Texas' view of this represents the common view before progressives got to work restoring monarchy where the king owns all property and allows you to use it if you ask nicely and behave.

Texas is not the "whole other world" on this issue - MA and other progressive havens are the exception and alien view to the Constitution. The fact that they have convinced people to the contrary is another wild success of their propaganda campaign.

Also, libtards are convinced that those boys were "just about to turn their lives around" before they committed Grand Theft Auto.

 

[cekim]

Also, libtards are convinced that those boys were "just about to turn their lives around" before they committed Grand Theft Auto.

Even more sad, they convinced victims of theft, that we were to blame for a. even having nice things and/or b. not locking them down well enough.

This is the origin of the belief that MA's "child safety laws" are there to prevent theft and the horror they express when someone "allows their gun to be stolen".

In the 80's and 90's we were supposedly turning good kids bad by having nice stereos in our cars or gasp, not locking every door, window, pulling our Alpine head out of the dash when we left, etc...

It really is a bizarre, yet effective propaganda technique of celebrating victimhood and excusing criminality.

It also makes sense if you plan on being a criminal politician that you would seek to program society to blame themselves for your criminality and revel in being abused.

 

[Obie1]

Bang bang shoot 'em up, destiny

 

[BigTimber]

The guy that killed the two thiefs from robbing his neighbor, I believe was tried but the jury would not convict. I think most states are normal oncw you get south of VA.

Negative. He was not even indicated, Allah be prased! and god bless Texas.

 

[rkwjunior]

Well i guess they got their truck back, but i'm sure it needed an interior detailing.

Reading the comments most think the 2 brothers will be doing some serious time.

 

[Tyke]

They're in the clear...

...Deleted. Misread the article.

 

[Hoover]

Negative. He was not even indicated, Allah be prased! and god bless Texas.

I couldn't remember, it was a while ago. I remember him saying, I'm going to stop them, the bang. A nice one was the black young man who was standing in line for the lebron or jordan sneakers with many others when a thug tried to rob them. He shot the perp dead and the cops cleared him in less than a few hrs. That was in atlanta. Other places function normally, mass not so much.

 

[RicoShay]

i guess the repo man better be careful in texas

 

[shapiroeric]

It will interesting to see how this plays out and how the law is interpreted....yes you can protect your property with deadly force but does that include giving chase and using deadly force to get your property back?....Don't get me wrong they got what they deserved but it will come down to the DA and how the law in Texas is written and interpreted....

 

[Chevy 2 65]

It will interesting to see how this plays out and how the law is interpreted....yes you can protect your property with deadly force but does that include giving chase and using deadly force to get your property back?....Don't get me wrong they got what they deserved but it will come down to the DA and how the law in Texas is written and interpreted....

I talked to a friend who lives in Houston. He said most if not all of the grand jury will say "meh, they got what they deserve, shouldn't go around stealing peoples things.

 

[pastera]

During a short stay in Texas it was explained to me that they treated car theft like horse theft and you never take a man's horse.

If the guys stealing the car knew that it was legal and customary to defend one's car with deadly force then PSGWSP.

 

[Garys]

The OP has it exactly backwards. It's MA that is like a different country. A socialist one at that. I Texas is like a different country, that country is the United States of America.
People talk about how much better the gun laws are in MA than in other states. Once you get your LTC that is. Those people talk about binding signage, and no long list of restricted places, and how there's no such thing in MA and that makes the gun laws better.

That's true up until the point where you have to use a hand gun for self defense. In those other states, the law generally presumes that the law abiding gun owner, even without a concealed carry permit, is in the right and the person initiating the activity that got him shot is in the wrong. In Texas, since we're talking about that state, if the police take a gun into custody, they take the gun used in the shooting. They don't take every gun the person owns along with all of their ammunition. They don't immediately arrest the person either unless there is probable cause to think the shooting was not self defense.

A few years back an older man in the Houston area shot a guy breaking into his junk yard. The police took the shotgun for evidence, so the man went out and bought another shotgun. Which he had to use a short time later when two more criminals tried to steal his property. After that a douche bag reporter asked him if he planned to kill more young men. Unlike up here in the PRM, she was fired after the public complained.

Even with the 51% rule, the binding signage, and any other restrictions, I'll take the legal protections in Texas if I actually have to use my firearm over what will happen here.

Texas isn't alone in that, either. You get away from the the blue states on both coasts and in the middle, and that sort of thing is the norm. Go to AL, TN, FL, MS, or LA and break into someone's house and you're likely to get shot. The home owner is likely to get nothing other than the thanks of his neighbors and maybe even the police.

 

[Zappa]

Well i guess they got their truck back, but i'm sure it needed an interior detailing.

I was thinking the same thing, yeah you got your truck back, but now you have to fix the bullet holes and clean up the brain matter.

 

[1836south]

We do got that thar insurance in tex.

 

[ThemBones]

God bless Texas. As a native Texan, I've heard many stories where the jury will be on your side if it turns out it's just a blantant dirt bag up to no good and put himself in the situation.

I recall a story in Houston where a man saw two hispanic guys walking out his neighbors house with a TV. Guy walked outside with his shotgun and told the guys to 'freeze'. Two guys dropped tv and started running and he shot one or both in the back. One of them died. Chargers were filed. Turns out the two hispanic guys were illegal and didn't speak english. Even though the guy would've been convicted in most states most Texas juries have little tolerance for illegal criminals.

 

[HagueBrook]

I am counting the days til my youngest follows his brother's footsteps and goes to college in TX. When that happens I will sell my home in MA and relocate to TX to be close to my two boys, as they are not ever coming back to the PRM. My eldest loves it there and regularly quotes Davy Crockett.

"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas"