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I like your sarcasm. I do not belong to a club, but I go to a range sometimes here in Boston. The only firearm I own is a Glock 17 handgun, and that is the one I wanted to carry and print
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Some questions about Boston Unrestricted LTC
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That is exactly what I was thinking. I was surprised to hear that. Unrestricted is unrestricted ?
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Thank you for the video. I watched it. Funny but I actually already own a “retention holster” and it’s the only holster I own. I’ve been carrying it on my hip and “printing” here in Boston. Folks are the range made me aware of a print and told me to be carful with that because if some old lady notices and gets scared and call the cops then I can lose my LTC. WTH?
Do a bunch of reading here. There is a ton to learn.
The answer to your question is more than likely yes. You have to understand how the cops here in Massachusetts work. They think they know everything and they don’t think anyone can get one over on them. WRT anything gun you’re guilty until proven innocent. It’s what they do.
Yeah, it could get REALLY crazy here. Like businesses being able to ban firearms under force of law, or guns being banned at bars.
Anyone who lives in a state like that needs to go find their balls, if they ever had any.
Not to suggest that obeying all laws is ever a bad idea, even if they are really dumb laws.
Former Commissioner Ed Davis, not considered a particular friend of gun owners, testified in a state house hearing where I was present that licensed gun owners "Commit very few crimes of any kind: nearly zero," in response to questioning.
I know two LCF holders who were identified as having a gun on them in stores in Boston. In the first case, a security guard asked him if he had a LCF. In the second case, it was a BPD officer. Once they produced the license it was "Carry on."
Former Commissioner Ed Davis, not considered a particular friend of gun owners, testified in a state house hearing where I was present that licensed gun owners "Commit very few crimes of any kind: nearly zero," in response to questioning.
You want people to know you are carrying ? Why so you can look tuff ?
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Bearcatbirddog
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second this
FrugalFannie
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While I quoted your post my comments were directed at everyone in case that wasn't clear. Obviously it wasn't clear.
In TX guns are not banned at bars( ok full bars but not restaurants with bars if liquor revenue is under 51% of total) and seriously? This is what you think means people have no balls? How many times on NES have people posted "DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A DRINK IF YOU ARE CARRYING?" Very few businesses here actually ban the carry of guns. We can choose not to go to those places. We have open carry, have always had OC of long guns, no license subject to "chief's discretion" bullshit, no enormous wait times for your LTC, we have NO DUTY TO RETREAT, no revocation of license for stupid "pissing contests" and we haven't banned ANY plastic yet! SO yeah, I will take TX over people being afraid to "print" any day of the week.
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At least Boston is clear on who gets unrestricted: you're famous, own a business, doctor, lawyer etc..It's still BS though, a rich person's life isn't worth anymore than mine. If you defend yourself, I'd be worried about DA Rollins. She cares more about thugs than law abiding citizens.
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That is because of MA court precedent that the .08 limit does not apply to carrying under the influence because "guns are more dangerous than cars" (the courts words, not mine).
But, unlike TX, there is no ban on carrying at places simply because they sell alcohol - no matter what % of the revenue it generates. MA also does not have binding signage as TX does for concealed (30.06) and open (30.07) carry. This is a byproduct of carrying being mainstream in TX and flying under the radar in MA.
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Open carry in Boston would be socially acceptable in a few narrow circumstances:
*Police in uniform while on duty
*Private security in a clearly marked "SECURITY" or similar uniform
*If you're driving say a Brinks truck or in a vehicle all day and not interacting with members of the public
People unfamiliar with guns expect to see these folks on duty with guns. They do not expect to see a guy going up to an ATM or into a bank with an openly carried gun on his hip, in say Chinos and a polo shirt. This is Boston we're talking about, not Georgia.
*Open carry in Mass as part of a job
*Open carry while in the woods
*Open carry on own property and you actually have a decent enough chunk of property so your neighbors can't see your every move - or hear your every move
There's plenty of reasonable situations in which to OC in Mass. But EDC in Boston isn't really an option unless you're some form of paid security.
While I agree with your legal assessment I don’t think it’s a complete “why” - most of the people braying that are doing it out of jingoservative puritanism or projecion.... not applicability wrt law. It’s “trendy” catchphrase among jingos to go “guns and alcohol don’t mix, not even a drop” regardless of the laws in play.
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I’m learning a lot from you guys. Appreciate all the replies. No open carry for me in Boston I guess, even though I thought it was OK because I googled MA gun laws and it said it’s legal (ma.gov website). I do, however plan on continuing with the “half ass concealment”. I have a holster that goes on my belt and when I’m carrying you can see the bottom part of the firearm sticking out from underneath my jacket/shirt (about 2 inches) and you can see a grip print pretty well. I am white, young, clean cut and in great athletic shape... so perhaps people just make “assumptions” and don’t know that I’m just a “citizen” like they are.
I don't know what your problem is, but you have to stop thinking you understand, and start listening (reading) what people here are saying.
Open carry is technically legal. But only *ONLY* technically, because any cop, ANYWHERE IN THE STATE. <-- note this part ANY COP, can rat your "poor behavior" out to the Boston cops, and they'll yank your licence. Then you'll have to report FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE that you've had your licence revoked. Every federal form about guns, every state form about guns. YOU DO NOT WANT THIS.
Mass is *NOT* an "open carry state", it's just that the law makes no specific distinction between concealed and open carry.
"half assed conceealment" is also a terrible idea. Do not half ass this. You're a f***ing idiot if you think that "half assed" is "good enough". It's not.
Get a good gun that hides well, get a good holster that hides it well, and keep it hidden. You gain *NOTHING* and risk everything by letting people know you're carrying a gun.
This isn't some video game where you can re-set when it all goes pear shaped. You get exactly one chance to get this right, and you'll be tested every time you leave the house.
If your gun is sticking out below your shirt, you've *FAILED*, that's not even half-assed, that's .... either fully-assed, or no-assed, whichever is worse. That's not even trying.
A full sized handgun like a Glock 17 is *hard* to conceal well.
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The federal 4473 has no place to fill in information about an administrative non-criminal license revocation. Can you tell what federal form requires this?
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Be safe out there, OP...
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If the OP just wanted to open a can of worms, it worked. Jack.
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OP:
You're an adult, you can make your own decisions.
One decision that you made, was to come and ask people that are more knowledgeable and experienced, for advice.
Another decision that you've made, is to ignore the advice.
Now, we're all internet commandos, and you don't know us from Adam, but what I've gleaned from your previous posts is: Your training class was not very informative, or you didn't hear what you were told.
Carry openly, carry concealed, carry 50/50. It's all your choice. But, one request: take a selfie and post it, here, so that when you're on the 5:00 news, we can get a thrill by being able to say, "Hey! I know who that guy is!"
You're an adult, you can make your own decisions.
One decision that you made, was to come and ask people that are more knowledgeable and experienced, for advice.
Another decision that you've made, is to ignore the advice.
Now, we're all internet commandos, and you don't know us from Adam, but what I've gleaned from your previous posts is: Your training class was not very informative, or you didn't hear what you were told.
Carry openly, carry concealed, carry 50/50. It's all your choice. But, one request: take a selfie and post it, here, so that when you're on the 5:00 news, we can get a thrill by being able to say, "Hey! I know who that guy is!"
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All you will end up with is a lot of trouble with the cops, loss of your firearms license and loss of your gun. Seriously, don't advertise the fact that you are carrying any weapon, not just a gun. Many cities in MA have laws that prohibit carrying knives with blades over 2.5". I removed the pocket clip from my 4" lockblade folder and carry it completely concealed in my back pocket. It does not "print" and I sure as hell don't want it to. Why give an overzealous cop probable cause to conduct a Terry frisk that will lead to an arrest, huge legal bills and a criminal record? Please, just use your head and be careful.
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It sounds like someone got one too many participation trophies and thinks he’s special. Dude, look up “suitability” in these forums because there’s no way you’re going to “reason” your way out of that when you have a problem w LE for half-assing things. Go get some real training and lots of it; while you may have the right to carry you are nowhere near ready to do so.
Unsuitable= cop is having a bad day, and there you are.... OK, not quite that bad but close.
Seriously, think about it. Some triggered Lib tells a cop you were holding a gun. Cop stops you and finds a gun, in a holster. What do you think you can say that will keep you from being arrested? And based on the arrest alone you LTC will be revoked. Even if you are eventually found not guilty you may never get your LTC back and even if you do you will forever have to say it was revoked.
So much easier to just carry properly concealed.
The grey man approach works with or without a firearm. Let them underestimate you, let them not see you, these things can only work in your favor.
Seriously, think about it. Some triggered Lib tells a cop you were holding a gun. Cop stops you and finds a gun, in a holster. What do you think you can say that will keep you from being arrested? And based on the arrest alone you LTC will be revoked. Even if you are eventually found not guilty you may never get your LTC back and even if you do you will forever have to say it was revoked.
So much easier to just carry properly concealed.
The grey man approach works with or without a firearm. Let them underestimate you, let them not see you, these things can only work in your favor.
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