Pistol found in backpack at daycare

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Part of the problem here is the MA legal system imbues "cuz guns" with an unparalleled level of faggotry surrounding it.

Let's turn this on the end a bit. If this was a car thing, this would be a guy who had a senior moment and went down the wrong ramp onto the highway and was facing the wrong direction, saw people oncoming and then stopped and buried his car safely in the BDL. Nobody got hurt/killed (or even came close, other than save being alarmed by seeing a car facing the wrong way in the BDL. kopsch come, figure out hes not drinking, medically f***ed up, etc, and then cite him for (insert some generic catch all here for improper operation of MV) give him a bit of a lecture, then help him safely get the car off the highway after figuring out he's just a dotard who had a severe momentary lapse of reason, ding, fries be done.

But, in this case, because gun, everyone totally loses their f***ing minds and kopsch lay down the felonies on a platter and then DYCFLMNOPQ gets roped in and loses their shit too, and it turns into a big conflagration with the only net result being some guy's life is all f***ed up because he made a "big mistake, that, while potentially disastrous, harmed nobody. " Rob brought up a fun point in a roundabout way earlier in the thread.... It's pretty obvious with most people, that nobody would "do this on purpose". There's not likely criminal intent here. It's not like when the kopsch showed up the guy said something like "oh ha ha! you guys found it! I just threw that gun in juniors bag to see if I could get a rise out of the broads at daycare when they found it, looks like it worked!!!!"

I don't even have a problem with the state administering LIMITED (as in like, not rights-depriving!) punishment for this level of negligence. I just think the typical "MA way" is full retard, over the top, irrational, sensationalist, alarmist crap. This guy f***s up, and everyone is now acting like his son carried some nuclear fuel pellets into the school and irradiated all the other children to harmful levels. Or he was carrying a can of ebola juice and it leaked in the backpack or something.

I think if this happened in some other state, daycare would have called kopsch/sheriff, they pick the gun up and then the daycare called the parent
and told them their kid was "done" at said daycare because of the gun found in his backpack, parent has to go to sheriff to pick his gun up, who then precedes to politely tear him a new a**h*** because of the level of the mistake, and then gives him his gun back. The end. But because this is
mass, and it involves a gun, everyone is obliged to go FULL RETARD. [laugh]

-Mike
Totally agree with mass full retard.
But letting him off completely seems lienent. Maybe a fine ? Idk something. I mean he may as well have put it in the kids toy box, I think it was epically close to seriously bad things happening.
Slap on the wrists are part of why we have kids who have zero respect for authority. If hes dumb enough to do it once....
 

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Hey, with the dopes throwing around the "Statist" word at anyone they disagree with, doesn't it lose it's meaning just like when the libtards shriek RACIST at anyone that disagrees with them? Rather be a "statist" than an apologist for a MORAN that jams a loaded handgun in a toddlers backpack and leaves it at a daycare. You anti-statists are OKing a move that has cost gun rights support across the nation.
 

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Hey, with the dopes throwing around the "Statist" word at anyone they disagree with, doesn't it lose it's meaning just like when the libtards shriek RACIST at anyone that disagrees with them? Rather be a "statist" than an apologist for a MORAN that jams a loaded handgun in a toddlers backpack and leaves it at a daycare. You anti-statists are OKing a move that has cost gun rights support across the nation.
Exaclty. My difference of opinion was unacceptable to him and I had idle threats thrown at me. Seems very leftish.
Even before this thread, I never had plans to step on his lawn, so he never had to worry.
He must be waiting in the windows for trespassers.
 

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I think everyone’s made their points here.

We all know this oaf was being irresponsible. Where folks differ is in the desired response, ranging from "throw the book at him" to "meh. Ignore the gun." Both those extremes are silly, I think, but I doubt we'll agree on what "should happen." Soon enough, we'll find out what happens in the real world.
 
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Hey, with the dopes throwing around the "Statist" word at anyone they disagree with, doesn't it lose it's meaning just like when the libtards shriek RACIST at anyone that disagrees with them? Rather be a "statist" than an apologist for a MORAN that jams a loaded handgun in a toddlers backpack and leaves it at a daycare. You anti-statists are OKing a move that has cost gun rights support across the nation.
100% agree
 

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I have a hard time understanding how one negligently places a firearm in a child’s backpack. Completely different bags than regular backpacks. How the Hell does one mix up bags and not notice when packing the child’s other belongings into the bag.
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Or a perfect setup for a wife planning on divorce and going for full custody.
Never underestimate the lengths a "wronged" woman will go to.
I'm going with this scenario. I have several guns and will admit that more than once I have gone to one of the safes and found a gun not there and had to look for it. I have always found it somewhere that makes sense -- locked in the trunk from a range trip where I did not go home -- Sitting under the workbench where I was working/cleaning it --- Still in the range bag in the living room etc. Why would a gun be in a babies backpack?
 
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Exaclty. My difference of opinion was unacceptable to him and I had idle threats thrown at me. Seems very leftish.
Even before this thread, I never had plans to step on his lawn, so he never had to worry.
He must be waiting in the windows for trespassers.
A few weeks ago a bunch were trashing a lady for kicking some deadbeats off her condo grounds. WTF, we got socialist here defending people trespassing on private property, and the anti-statists (ANTISTA?) throwing the "Get Off My Lawn" bullshit around. I should go back to the trespassing thread and see if they are the same posters!
 

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I think everyone’s made their points here.

We all know this oaf was being irresponsible. Where folks differ is in the desired response, ranging from "throw the book at him" to "meh. Ignore the gun." Both those extremes are silly, I think, but I doubt we'll agree on what "should happen." Soon enough, we'll find out what happens in the real world.
Well throwing the book at him was never suggested by the individuals who thought the dad was an idiot and deserved a punishment. It's the dramatic leftish ones who throw that out there for internet dramatic effect to make you sound worse than you are, just for simply disagreeing with them. It's very much a liberal trait these days.
Everyone came out ok, luckily and thankfully. But that doesn't mean he should walk away with no consequence, maybe a fine?
If things took a turn for the worse, then yes. Maybe jail time and an even heftier fine.
Wouldnt involuntary man slaughter be spoken of?
 

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Probably a just punishment for something like this in Free America would be a requirement to attend a gun safety course (not a shooting course), suspension of LTC for say 6 months and a fine.

In MA, per MGL he's guilty of illegal storage (5 yr IIRC and PP forever) unless the gun was locked in some way. If he's otherwise clean he'll likely get CWOF'd as a PP or an 18 month county jail sentence and PP. DYFS shouldn't be involved but they love to confiscate kids and screw them up real good.

That's MA reality.

I agree that he'd never repeat that stupidity if given a chance to live a normal life again (very unlikely).

I once had a student in my Mass Gun Law Seminar that was sent to take the course by either a judge or police chief (don't recall which) because he was handling a gun in a car (IIRC) and accidentally shot his friend in the leg. Assuming no ill intent and that his friend survived with minimal permanent damage, that "sentence" seemed to be proper justice in my mind.
 

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Probably a just punishment for something like this in Free America would be a requirement to attend a gun safety course (not a shooting course), suspension of LTC for say 6 months and a fine.

In MA, per MGL he's guilty of illegal storage (5 yr IIRC and PP forever) unless the gun was locked in some way. If he's otherwise clean he'll likely get CWOF'd as a PP or an 18 month county jail sentence and PP. DYFS shouldn't be involved but they love to confiscate kids and screw them up real good.

That's MA reality.

I agree that he'd never repeat that stupidity if given a chance to live a normal life again (very unlikely).

I once had a student in my Mass Gun Law Seminar that was sent to take the course by either a judge or police chief (don't recall which) because he was handling a gun in a car (IIRC) and accidentally shot his friend in the leg. Assuming no ill intent and that his friend survived with minimal permanent damage, that "sentence" seemed to be proper justice in my mind.
Lol. What is this LTC you speak of?? Outside of MA and in a gun friendly state the daycare puts the gun aside. Because your daycare is usually a family you know and your kid is in their home where the daycare providers guns are also present.

My kids never spent a day in a daycare where the parents running it didn't own and carry firearms.
 

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Totally agree with mass full retard.
But letting him off completely seems lienent. Maybe a fine ? Idk something. I mean he may as well have put it in the kids toy box, I think it was epically close to seriously bad things happening.
Slap on the wrists are part of why we have kids who have zero respect for authority. If hes dumb enough to do it once....
It's Peabody, every parent at school will know who did it. He may have to leave town.
 

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Because your daycare is usually a family you know...
Moot, though, because this incident didn’t take place at a family daycare. It took place at a corporate center-type daycare, similar to where thousands of families send their kids in this, the 21st century.

No matter where you are in America, free state or not, a corporate daycare will have corporate policies. I STRONGLY suspect those policies won’t be gun-friendly, the modern insurance world being what it is.

It’d be great if it was 1976 and we could all leave our kids with Ms Muffett down the block. It’d be greater still if it was 1956 and we didn’t need daycare. But that’s not the world in which this incident took place.
 

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Lol. What is this LTC you speak of?? Outside of MA and in a gun friendly state the daycare puts the gun aside. Because your daycare is usually a family you know and your kid is in their home where the daycare providers guns are also present.

My kids never spent a day in a daycare where the parents running it didn't own and carry firearms.
Are the guns laying around the house in diaper bags or in the playpens?...lol
I mean really, let's have a normal conversation, apples to apples.
Ignorance is bliss.
I strongly believe in the right to bear arms, but it doesn't give the right to be ignorant with that right. And putting a loaded gun in a preschool child bag is first class stupid.
 

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It wasn't so long ago, in many of our lifetimes, that this would have been resolved with a phone call or a letter sent home with the kid....
 

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Liberty isn’t what it used to be, especially in MA.
I'm not all that happy about it either. But I'm not going to blame a business for choosing the better part of valor if the alternative is a possible lawsuit that puts them out of business and leaves their employees jobless, either. That's the world we live in now.
 

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Moot, though, because this incident didn’t take place at a family daycare. It took place at a corporate center-type daycare, similar to where thousands of families send their kids in this, the 21st century.

No matter where you are in America, free state or not, a corporate daycare will have corporate policies. I STRONGLY suspect those policies won’t be gun-friendly, the modern insurance world being what it is.

It’d be great if it was 1976 and we could all leave our kids with Ms Muffett down the block. It’d be greater still if it was 1956 and we didn’t need daycare. But that’s not the world in which this incident took place.
1976? My kids had at home daycare less than 10 years ago. So yeah, armed home daycare still happens.
 

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I'm not all that happy about it either. But I'm not going to blame a business for choosing the better part of valor if the alternative is a possible lawsuit that puts them out of business and leaves their employees jobless, either. That's the world we live in now.
Most of that stuff is overblown, re, liability, blah blah. Just like the bullshit about how companies ban guns in handbook "because liability" which I think is just some shitty company attorney justifying their paycheck. I think the bigger deal in this particular case is the other clients (likely moonbats) would be stark raving full retard pissed if the guy and his kid weren't banned. Hell that's almost the case anywhere now, like 80% of single moms dumping off kids at a daycare are pure solid moonbats. Also most people are just retarded overprotective about their children now. One of the downsides of "children as a luxury" is they get protected from everything, even relatively meaningless edge risks. In the 80s if a kid fell at daycare and bit his lip because he was a little clumsy parents were like "oh, he's not dead, and doesnt seem concussed, nbd" now if a kid bit his lip at daycare its probably a federal case or something. Or if a kid gets a bloody nose they go to the doctor about it now or some horseshit fearing that the kid might have a brain hemorrhage or something. It couldn't POSSIBLY be that he picked his nose while running and made it bleed. No, impossible. [rofl] The paradigm shift from "children as asset" (eg, like in agrarian culture, or even for awhile after) vs "children as luxury" has created an air of lunacy. George Carlin figured this out in the 90s, but I won't revisit it, as you know exactly what I'm getting at. [laugh]

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1976? My kids had at home daycare less than 10 years ago. So yeah, armed home daycare still happens.
Of course there's still home daycare. But the center in this thread wasn't one of those. So why bring it up?
 

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It wasn't so long ago, in many of our lifetimes, that this would have been resolved with a phone call or a letter sent home with the kid....
Ah yes, the Golden years. The days when losing your kid to a misplaced firearm was no big deal.
Such a shame we value human life much more than before.
Settling disputes in the streets with colt single actions was a beautiful thing, why cant we bring it back?..
Oh wait ...Chicago.
 
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