Pistol found in backpack at daycare

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Ok that’s fine, but do you leave that back pack at a daycare with the g17 in it ??
No one does on purpose. You are again insinuating that this guy in the OP for some reason put a gun in a backpack and said "yeah, my toddler is gonna be packin' heat today!"

This is my main problem with your position on this matter. You seem to have some feeling that vengence needs to be doled out by government on this guy. You think everyone knowing he got his kid banned from daycare is not punishment enough on it's own?

The willingness to have the state wield abusive powers to punish a guy for a clear mistake, that to point out yet again harmed no one, is simply unbelievable. Why on earth would you want government to hold any power I this situation? How can you now step back and see that exact power can very easily be abused against you for other mistakes other people may not like you personally for?
 

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Ok that’s fine, but do you leave that back pack at a daycare with the g17 in it ??
Not having that conversation. I was merely addressing Big Al's statement regarding the concept of having a firearm in a "backpack" because I do it pretty much on a daily basis.

Matter of fact - quite seriously - I just got home from the range - knapsack was on the passenger seat next to me, and it's sitting on the floor next to me right now. With a loaded G17 in it.
 

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Ok that’s fine, but do you leave that back pack at a daycare with the g17 in it ??
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Why not?

Whether it's left at a daycare, in a bathroom stall, or *any* place for that matter. I fail to understand what's the big deal? Whether it's an adult or a child there is not a soul on this planet who doesn't know the "Four Rules of Firearm Safety". And even if they didn't know the tenets there's not a soul who wouldn't recognize it's a handgun and would know *not* to touch/pull the trigger, even by mistake when picking it up. Furthermore, it's my opinion everyone, including children know proper handling procedures as well as how to render a firearm safe, so again what's the big deal?

Side note: Three or four months ago, there was a post about a four year old finding his mother's handgun in the center console and while his mother ran into the house to retrieve an item the child took the gun out of the console and pulled the trigger, instantly killing his sister with a bullet to the head? In that accident, which you might even label a tragedy, it was obvious the four year old hadn't been taught proper handling procedures so the fact his mother was absent minded and left a loaded handgun within his reach was just a simple mistake.

Returning to this incident at hand, no one was injured the result of Mr. Smither's having a brain fart and having packed a loaded handgun in his kids diaper bag along with a couple of Pampers, juice box and pacifier. It was a simple mistake and accidents happen. I wish people would stop making a big deal about nothing. If it wasn't a mistake, for all we know maybe Smither's intentionally packed the handgun, so that when he picked his son up later in the afternoon, he was planning to take his son to the range for a little father/son bonding time and hit a few targets. IMO that makes him a great father and someone everyone of us should aspire to be.

The bottom line is that Smither's made a mistake. One that any one of us could have made. I find it hard to believe there are some who think it appropriate he should lose his LTC. The fact he should receive any sort of punishment other than a slap on the wrist and perhaps a package of post-it notes so that he can label his range bag and diaper bag so he can tell the difference is all that needs to be done.

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Kids don't generally go in their own diaper bags. That’s something for adults to do.
Buncha pansies on here.
Everyone is picturing babies or toddlers but a typical daycare might have 5 babies and 30 kids aged 4-5. So odds are this was a backpack not a diaper bag. If Dad gave the kid a camo bag or something, easy mistake to make. A daycare backpack is typically emptied every night, so he could have put his gun in the empty camo bag by mistake in the mad morning rush, then mom put in the pillow case, lunch bag, snacks etc. not noticing the gun.

Simple mistakes can have dire consequences, luckily the string of bad luck ended before a kid found the gun.
 

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Everyone is picturing babies or toddlers but a typical daycare might have 5 babies and 30 kids aged 4-5. So odds are this was a backpack not a diaper bag. If Dad gave the kid a camo bag or something, easy mistake to make. A daycare backpack is typically emptied every night, so he could have put his gun in the empty camo bag by mistake in the mad morning rush, then mom put in the pillow case, lunch bag, snacks etc. not noticing the gun.

Simple mistakes can have dire consequences, luckily the string of bad luck ended before a kid found the gun.
"Everyone is picturing babies or toddlers but a typical daycare might have 5 babies and 30 kids aged 4-5.".....and 30 kids aged 4-5 coming across a loaded handgun wouldn't be a problem. Kids that age, NEVER look into backpacks or drawers or any other places MORANS leave LOADED firearms. Really pathetic that ANYONE would excuse some fuktard doing this.
 
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"Everyone is picturing babies or toddlers but a typical daycare might have 5 babies and 30 kids aged 4-5.".....and 30 kids aged 4-5 coming across a loaded handgun wouldn't be a problem. Kids that age, NEVER look into backpacks or drawers or any other places MORANS leave LOADED firearms. Really pathetic that ANYONE would excuse some fuktard doing this.
Why not go open your own thread and argue with yourself, cause no one said that stuff.
 

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"Everyone is picturing babies or toddlers but a typical daycare might have 5 babies and 30 kids aged 4-5.".....and 30 kids aged 4-5 coming across a loaded handgun wouldn't be a problem. Kids that age, NEVER look into backpacks or drawers or any other places MORANS leave LOADED firearms. Really pathetic that ANYONE would excuse some fuktard doing this.
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I do not believe she was a gun enthusiast.
 

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I thought it surprising she died penniless and living in a trailer park.
That bothered me too. Cancer is a shitty way to die.

Mary Ann was on hard times, too, but a go fund me campaign helped and supposedly she's promoting a reboot of some sort of GI.
 

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Why not go open your own thread and argue with yourself, cause no one said that stuff.
Actually I did.

While I don’t advocate doing it, mistakes happen. I refuse to give more ammo to the antis by eating our own. It’s a gun, so what? What if it were edible pot? Kitchen knife that slipped and fell into the bag?

BFD.

Maybe I’m spoiled by the fact that I taught my kids well. I would purposely leave an empty BB gun in the bathroom or dining room table and wait. My kids would leave it alone and come tell me. They also know they can see them anytime they want, as long as they ask me, I’ll always open the safe and we’ll dry fire. They also know the repercussions if they touch a gun in the house without me.
 

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Actually I did.

While I don’t advocate doing it, mistakes happen. I refuse to give more ammo to the antis by eating our own. It’s a gun, so what? What if it were edible pot? Kitchen knife that slipped and fell into the bag?

BFD.

Maybe I’m spoiled by the fact that I taught my kids well. I would purposely leave an empty BB gun in the bathroom or dining room table and wait. My kids would leave it alone and come tell me. They also know they can see them anytime they want, as long as they ask me, I’ll always open the safe and we’ll dry fire. They also know the repercussions if they touch a gun in the house without me.
That's not excusing his mistake, it's just putting it in perspective, and I agree.
 

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Lol ok keyboard commando, I would like to see you teach a 2 year old how to handle a pistol and render is safe... lol you are so full of shit it’s not even funny
As soon as a child is capable of picking an object up, if you are not teaching them proper handling as well as how to render a handgun safe, you are failing as a parent.

In my home we teach'em as soon as they are capable of grasping a pacifier. ;)
 

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As soon as a child is capable of picking an object up, if you are not teaching them proper handling as well as how to render a handgun safe, you are failing as a parent.

In my home we teach'em as soon as they are capable of grasping a pacifier. ;)
Mrs. Pipes literally did not know I owned any guns for the first 10 years of our marriage. She'd simply never gone into that back room. She almost had a coronary one day when she was looking for her sewing kit. We've had entire cars that she has never laid eyes on.

It actually makes it easier to buy new ones (guns, cars, whatever). Oh that old thing?
 

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Mrs. Pipes literally did not know I owned any guns for the first 10 years of our marriage. She'd simply never gone into that back room. She almost had a coronary one day when she was looking for her sewing kit. We've had entire cars that she has never laid eyes on.

It actually makes it easier to buy new ones (guns, cars, whatever). Oh that old thing?
Especially if they're all the same color. Guitars work the same way, I've found.

For all I know, she's doing the same thing to me with handbags or whatever.
 

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Especially if they're all the same color. Guitars work the same way, I've found.

For all I know, she's doing the same thing to me with handbags or whatever.
The Mrs only found the Cherokee because she was hiding some china she'd bought out in the garage.

She's doing the same thing. Handbags. Shoes. Jewelry.
 
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No one does on purpose. You are again insinuating that this guy in the OP for some reason put a gun in a backpack and said "yeah, my toddler is gonna be packin' heat today!"

This is my main problem with your position on this matter. You seem to have some feeling that vengence needs to be doled out by government on this guy. You think everyone knowing he got his kid banned from daycare is not punishment enough on it's own?

The willingness to have the state wield abusive powers to punish a guy for a clear mistake, that to point out yet again harmed no one, is simply unbelievable. Why on earth would you want government to hold any power I this situation? How can you now step back and see that exact power can very easily be abused against you for other mistakes other people may not like you personally for?
If he’s that stupid to do it once, he probably will make another stupid mistake again, maybe not leaving or even putting a pistol in a kids back pack, but maybe leaving a pistol out and ready to go, in his house with little kids running around, just an accident waiting to happen, someone has to be a special kind of stupid to make the mistake he made. He basically lost a pistol and had no idea, and it ending up in a place where there could have been a very bad ending, luckily nothing happened, you will never change my position on this.
 

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If he’s that stupid to do it once, he probably will make another stupid mistake again, maybe not leaving or even putting a pistol in a kids back pack, but maybe leaving a pistol out and ready to go, in his house with little kids running around, just an accident waiting to happen, someone has to be a special kind of stupid to make the mistake he made. He basically lost a pistol and had no idea, and it ending up in a place where there could have been a very bad ending, luckily nothing happened, you will never change my position on this.
Yeah, the accountability piece is unthinkable to me.

But then, I did all my early shooting in the Army, where losing track of your firearm might be the single worst thing you can ever do (other than an ND). It's an attitude that's stuck with me, and I'm glad of it. Checking periodically to make sure my weapon is where it belongs is second nature to me.

I can't imagine the sinking feeling of driving away from the daycare and realizing my holster was empty. The reason I can't imagine it is because I'd have caught the empty holster a LOT sooner.
 

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Handbags, shoes, clothes, make-up, pillows, figurines, etc. Sound familiar?
It would if I had a high-maintenance wife. She mostly just buys herself those quilted bags with the bright flowery patterns. The Vera Bradley bags.

I can't tell any of those apart.
 

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Handbags, shoes, clothes, jewelry, pillows, figurines, etc. Sound familiar?
The wife and I made a deal when we were dating. She buys shoes, not expensive shoes but she buys a ton of them. Twelve pair, I’m headed to the gun store. We compared shotguns to black shoes and understood that there were differences we couldn’t see.
No fuss, no BS, no permissions and fair for all.
 
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If he’s that stupid to do it once, he probably will make another stupid mistake again, maybe not leaving or even putting a pistol in a kids back pack, but maybe leaving a pistol out and ready to go, in his house with little kids running around, just an accident waiting to happen, someone has to be a special kind of stupid to make the mistake he made. He basically lost a pistol and had no idea, and it ending up in a place where there could have been a very bad ending, luckily nothing happened, you will never change my position on this.

Wow. It must be a huge burden to be the only perfect person that will ever exist.

so you've never been in any type of accident and you have never spilled your milk or dropped a drink ....you never lost anything and never broke anything unintentionally, never accidentally cut yourself or made a grammatical or spelling error?

No car accidents ever, you must have a really low rate insurance bill for your auto.

Not one absent minded day ever?

They say people like that exist. I never thought I would have the opportunity to kind of know one...

But you are right. he will do it again. because nobody ever learned from a mistake.... [hmmm]

Anyway, I hope that if anything similar ever happens to you (I'm sure it will not) but if it does that those sitting in judgement are a bit more forgiving of you.
 

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Wow. It must be a huge burden to be the only perfect person that will ever exist.

so you've never been in any type of accident and you have never spilled your milk or dropped a drink ....you never lost anything and never broke anything unintentionally, never accidentally cut yourself or made a grammatical or spelling error?

No car accidents ever, you must have a really low rate insurance bill for your auto.

Not one absent minded day ever?

They say people like that exist. I never thought I would have the opportunity to kind of know one...

But you are right. he will do it again. because nobody ever learned from a mistake.... [hmmm]

Anyway, I hope that if anything similar ever happens to you (I'm sure it will not) but if it does that those sitting in judgement are a bit more forgiving of you.
IMO comparing someone who misplaces their handgun to someone spilling their drink is ridiculous. Especially if it involves spilling a glass of Macallan whiskey.

IMO if someone cannot appreciate there is a certain level of maturity and responsibility required of them when it comes to handling their glass, then perhaps drinking such a fine whiskey is not for them. ;)
 
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IMO comparing someone who misplaces their handgun to someone spilling their drink is ridiculous. Especially if it involves spilling a glass of Macallan whiskey.

IMO if someone cannot appreciate there is a certain level of maturity and responsibility required of them when it comes to handling their glass, then perhaps drinking such a fine whiskey is not for them. ;)

Whiskey is a totally different thing altogether. Now that we have that out of the way...lol

I'm not sticking up for the guy. He made a stupid mistake for sure. No doubt. But I think the potential punishment is way beyond the offense. He is guilty of a brain fart, not a criminal offense.

For this he will most likely lose his LTC and guns. Be prohibited from ever owning any again. Might face fines and jail time. Might lose his kids.....

All because he forgot that he put his gun in the wrong bag.

If someone was hurt or killed as a result I could see some charges. But that didn't happen. I think this is all motivated by the anti-crowd and they will use anything were a kid might be involved to use the agenda.

In fact with all these laws they will not have to overturn 2A. All they have to do is wait for all the rest go us to make a little mistake. And for those perfect people they have the red flag laws.

Anyway, enjoy your whiskey.
 
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