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Pistol found in backpack at daycare

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DTOM537, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Comm v. Cruz was about some guy with pot and a rock parked in front of a hydrant in Boston. at least that is the SJC case that came up in a search.

    I know nothing about Sprouts and DESE, but a daycare (regardless of who licenses it) does NOT meet the definition of a "school" wrt the anti-gun laws in Mass.

    I addressed the GFZ issue above. I wish the part I bolded was true, but it simply isn't. Very few MSP Certified BFS instructors teach much (correct) gun law info. And most folks don't absorb even 10% of it. I base that on the tons of PMs and Emails I've received over the years from LTC holders who are seriously clueless about the Mass laws, plus the many postings here on NES since we started the forum.

    No it is not.

    A lot mroe than 65% and most never absorb almost anything that is taught in the BFS courses.

    You may think it, but it doesn't make it a "school" per MGL that deals with GFZs.
     
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    Does a “Child Care Center” Qualify as a Preschool Under the Massachusetts School Zone Law?

    I'm not sure it's been tested yet with guns. But a court that holds a daycare is a defacto school?

    I think I can predict the outcome.
     
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    School shooters starting young these days.
     
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    In both of the scenarios you have described as well as what would be applicable to any others, I would place my weapon in the lock box I keep in my vehicle. Under no circumstances would I ever place a weapon into a bag for "convenience".

    IMO the scenarios or any others you could come up with would never justify the actions of placing a firearm into a diaper bag. And if no lock box were present, then perhaps placing under the seat of the car, but even that would not be wise or legal.
     
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  6. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Although I could see some Mass Marsupial judge trying to twist the law to meet their political agenda, this wouldn't stand up.

    The words I bolded below are the problem for the antis. Unless they create a new dictionary, a pre-school or day care center just doesn't meet any common definition of "elementary school".

    Here's MGL C. 269 S. 10 (j) quoted from Glidden's book:

     
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    Thanks, Len. My most important assertion from the start: “I could be wrong, but...”
     
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    This the felonious kid?
     
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    Great post except one thing. If the "person" is the government, they'll make that mistake again.
     
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    Maybe Dad and lad have matching backpacks. LOL


     
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    You never put a gun in a bag on way to the range?

    We don't know it was a diaper bag. Kids over the age of 2 usually bring backpacks, and not necessarily Spider-Man or Pikachu bags, my kids have generic looking bags. He probably put his gun in the wrong bag.
     
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    You have WAAAY too much faith in the judicial system. The poor slob will be offered a deal where he becomes a prohibited person but avoids jail and waives his right to appeal.
     
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    I think you spilled something on your keyboard and have a couple of stuck keys
     
  14. Len-2A Training

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    Sadly true. I was addressing it from the point of view of an appellate court maybe 5 yrs after the initial arrest. :(
     
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    Of course and the process I follow goes something like this: weapon(s) come out of safe(s), weapon(s) have trigger locks added, weapon(s) go into a range bag, and range bag goes into the trunk. At no time have I ever placed a weapon in my children's diaper bag, backpack or any other bag other than what was intended.

    Regardless of it being a diaper bag, backpack, or any sort of bag, the fact he placed a weapon into the "wrong" bag validates he wasn't paying attention.
     
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    I aspire to one day be as perfect as the statists in this thread......
     
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    To the statists:

     
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    Ya it’s not easy being perfect, but I manage
     
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    He's irresponsible at heart to even let this happen, common sense out the window, these people never learn.
    I mean, to leave the gun in a diaper bag?..lol I cant even fathom why he thought that was remotely ok. The level of idiocy is off the charts. He gets whatever he deserves.
    We all make mistakes, no doubt. But some have massive consequences.
    Let's say a kid was shot or it was your kid that ate the bullet. I'd love to see how well you deal with the guilt, and the embarrassment at the funeral and wake knowing everyone knows you were the soul reason for your kids death, or someone else's kids death.
    Nothing happened so it's easy to brush it off, but the consequences are life changing.
    And if it did happen to someone I knew, I'd have ZERO remorse.
     
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    Glad I don’t know you. Glad I never will and do not come on my property.

    ETA: May God have mercy on your soul. May you never find yourself in this situation. But you’re still never welcome on any of my properties. Can’t be trusted.
     
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    If a child dies because of an accidental drowning, should the parents be banned from ever having kids again? Should their other children be taken from them?
     
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    O ya I am sure he is up set about that lol... he’s calling it like it is. And u are upset about that, not sure why tho
     
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    I guess you are ok with loading a pistol and leaving it in a daycare and walking away ?? Because that’s what that guy pretty much did, whatever happens to him he deserves
     
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    Are those my only choices? Yout choices of consequences are majorly exaggerated, and I'm guessing thats for dramatic effect.
    How about a huge fine and or maybe or short stint in the local penitentiary?
    Accidents happen, but some deserve consequences.
    I mean If a refrigerator fell out of the back of my pick up truck on the way to the dump and I killed a family of 3 out for a Sunday drive, I think I'm going to be screwed.
     
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    No one has suggested it was "Ok" so you can bury that straw man/dishonest assertion right off.

    The difference between the stasi on the forum and the rest of us is that we understand that people do in point of fact make mistakes and that they shouldnt be sent to the gas chamber for a mistake where no one was harmed
     
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    Your idle threats are just forum tuff talk, good stuff though.
    Anyway....
    The father should be thanking God for letting an adult find the gun first.
    Let us pray....Amen.
     
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    Well it seems like you’re over exaggerating with the gas chamber comment I don’t think anybody said he deserves the gas chamber or jail time
     
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    Who said gas chamber?
    Jails and fines are still used arent they?
    And no one died so neither of these are necessary. But he shouldnt walk away with no consequences in either situation.
     
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    Part of the problem here is the MA legal system imbues "cuz guns" with an unparalleled level of faggotry surrounding it.

    Let's turn this on the end a bit. If this was a car thing, this would be a guy who had a senior moment and went down the wrong ramp onto the highway and was facing the wrong direction, saw people oncoming and then stopped and buried his car safely in the BDL. Nobody got hurt/killed (or even came close, other than save being alarmed by seeing a car facing the wrong way in the BDL. kopsch come, figure out hes not drinking, medically f***ed up, etc, and then cite him for (insert some generic catch all here for improper operation of MV) give him a bit of a lecture, then help him safely get the car off the highway after figuring out he's just a dotard who had a severe momentary lapse of reason, ding, fries be done.

    But, in this case, because gun, everyone totally loses their f***ing minds and kopsch lay down the felonies on a platter and then DYCFLMNOPQ gets roped in and loses their shit too, and it turns into a big conflagration with the only net result being some guy's life is all f***ed up because he made a "big mistake, that, while potentially disastrous, harmed nobody. " Rob brought up a fun point in a roundabout way earlier in the thread.... It's pretty obvious with most people, that nobody would "do this on purpose". There's not likely criminal intent here. It's not like when the kopsch showed up the guy said something like "oh ha ha! you guys found it! I just threw that gun in juniors bag to see if I could get a rise out of the broads at daycare when they found it, looks like it worked!!!!"

    I don't even have a problem with the state administering LIMITED (as in like, not rights-depriving!) punishment for this level of negligence. I just think the typical "MA way" is full retard, over the top, irrational, sensationalist, alarmist crap. This guy f***s up, and everyone is now acting like his son carried some nuclear fuel pellets into the school and irradiated all the other children to harmful levels. Or he was carrying a can of ebola juice and it leaked in the backpack or something.

    I think if this happened in some other state, daycare would have called kopsch/sheriff, they pick the gun up and then the daycare called the parent
    and told them their kid was "done" at said daycare because of the gun found in his backpack, parent has to go to sheriff to pick his gun up, who then precedes to politely tear him a new a**h*** because of the level of the mistake, and then gives him his gun back. The end. But because this is
    mass, and it involves a gun, everyone is obliged to go FULL RETARD. [laugh]

    -Mike
     
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    go green bro lol
     
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