Wickedcoolname
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I dry fire all of my handguns. Even the 22 long rifle revolvers. Instead of snap caps I use plastic drywall anchors. They're dirt cheap and they work fine.
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The firing pin stop is not some moving partinstead of a new thread, i i figure i'd resurrect this one.
last time i tried to use my MK 2 10" ( blued one) it wouldn't chamber a round. I dry fired it after reading manual that it is ok to dry fire this model as it has a firing pin block. looks like the block is no longer working, ...
Yeah, you've been peened, sigh.as it really boogered up the chamber wall, and now will not allow a round to enter into the chamber.
Someplace on the Intarwebs (and sorry, but I can't find it),Ruger is asking to see it, they said if it not repairable they may offer me a MK4 replacement.
Very interesting. Your manual says:When I first got my ruger lc9s, my son and daughter used to set up cans and shoot them with a snap cappish dummy round with a red light. Hit the can on the bulls eye and knock it down.
After I would say 1000 dry fires, the firing pin broke.
Ruger was great. Took it back and returned it fully restored for free. Not in the box said to avoid dry firing with a snap cap. And to avoid dry firing it period.
Sounds like a titanium firing pin "stop" is in order...?That pin did not naturally have an equatorial groove -
that is wear.
Something stronger without being brittle would be a net upgrade.Sounds like a titanium firing pin "stop" is in order...?
De nada. I'll be glad if I didn't subtract anything from the dialogueA most excellent post AHM... Thank you.
Something stronger without being brittle would be a net upgrade.
(Don't want to wear the firing pin's longitudinal slot, either;
upgrade both or neither?)
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This is what a damaged pin looks like:
This. 'Cause Pops said."I guess some firing pins can take it, some can not. I tend to not do it, probably 'cause my pappy told me not to a coon's age ago. Or I use snap caps if needed.
When I first got my ruger lc9s, my son and daughter used to set up cans and shoot them with a snap cappish dummy round with a red light. Hit the can on the bulls eye and knock it down.
After I would say 1000 dry fires, the firing pin broke.
With the safety on the hammer still falls.....just goes click, no pew pew, and were you to be pointing the gun at a giant buck when you dropped the hammer on the safety that click would be the loudest click the world has ever heard.Call me crazy.....but how would you dry fire it if the safety IS on?
Thanks for the 411.With the safety on the hammer still falls.....just goes click, no pew pew, and were you to be pointing the gun at a giant buck when you dropped the hammer on the safety that click would be the loudest click the world has ever heard.
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I dry fire my center fire revolvers all the time. I don't bother with snap caps.
Good catch.Tandemkross has a Titanium firing pin for short dough. The pin diameter might be a common size, and it is possible to trim a length of that size titanium rod to fit...
Very helpful video (although it understates the difficulty I have getting the extractor out). But he's 0 for 4 in referring to springs under compression<Ruger Mark 3 Bolt disassembly and assembly>
Worse: Condition 2.Careful. You keep that up and the next thing you know, you'll be carrying those 1911's on half cock too. lol.
Moar epic: he lowers the hammer single-handed.(And in the Longmire episode we're just starting,
he cocks his 1911 when realizing that the guy who phoned for help
is not behind the counter at his gas station,
and lowers the hammer when he finds the guy's concealed body).
This stuff about "no safe way" of lowering the hammer to half cock on a loaded chamber always made me curious. Don't get me wrong.....I'd never carry a 1911 in condition 2......that's just dumb. But the whole "danger danger" thing about lowering the hammer to half cock.......I have 2 lever action long guns.......a shotgun and a 22.......and a single shot shotgun.......that literally are carried hammer down loaded chamber. The owners manual specifically states how do safely lower the hammer after loading the gun. When I hunt with my levers......load the gun......thumb the hammer.....pull the trigger to release the hammer.....immediately release the trigger.....slowly lower the hammer to half cock.Good catch.
Very helpful video (although it understates the difficulty I have getting the extractor out). But he's 0 for 4 in referring to springs under compression
as "tension".
Worse: Condition 2.
ETA: Rationale:
Screwing around using the half-cock notch,
especially a deep cut (rather than shelf)
is a good way to mess up the sear (right?)
But there's no 100% safe way to lower the hammer to enter Condition 2.
An ND from a hammer that gets away from you when you're trying to lower it
outweighs a messed up sear...
(And in the Longmire episode we're just starting,
he cocks his 1911 when realizing that the guy who phoned for help
is not behind the counter at his gas station,
and lowers the hammer when he finds the guy's concealed body).
Why is it Danger danger on a 1911 but on lever action rifles it's ok?
Is a 1911 safe with the hammer lowered on a live round in the first place?
FYI....I'm not saying it's ok to carry condition 2 by any means. Just wondering why the 1911 crowd says omagurd don't ever lower a hammer on a loaded gun but lever action rifles and single shot shotguns it's designed to do exactly that.
Thumbing down the hammer on a loaded 1911 is like sniffing glue. You can do it and survive, but it makes you retarded.
I agree. Applying the safety is intrinsically more safe than lowering the hammer.Thumbing down the hammer on a loaded 1911 is like sniffing glue. You can do it and survive, but it makes you retarded.
I agree.
However
My question is not answered. There are 1911 guys that say lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber cannot be done safely....meaning one might slip and release their thumb with finger on the trigger and Nd. While all three of the fire arms I mentioned in my post that I own and hunt with will go off if your thumb slips on the hammer with finger on trigger......and that is the precise manual of arms for operating that fire arm. You just need to pay attention.
It's just my observation.
Guess that's what I was looking for.They're wrong. You literally can thumb down the hammer safely on a loaded 1911, just like any DA revolver or lever gun. If your thumb slips and you're not pressing the trigger, it will slam into half cock and probably mess up your sear, but not fire. We do it with CZs in competition all the time. But there's no valid reason to do so on a 1911 because it's SA only, and is safe with a cocked hammer and safety on.
They're wrong. You literally can thumb down the hammer safely on a loaded 1911, just like any DA revolver or lever gun. If your thumb slips and you're not pressing the trigger, it will slam into half cock and probably mess up your sear, but not fire. We do it with CZs in competition all the time. But there's no valid reason to do so on a 1911 because it's SA only, and is safe with a cocked hammer and safety on.
This, there is no difference. It just comes down to ignoring accepted doctrine of the firearm you use.You aren't going to carry that lever gun every day and are following accepted doctrine for it to be used safely (though most lever gun designs significantly predate a lot of safety devices beyond half-cock). The 1911 has multiple safeties and choosing to ignore them is to ignore using the whole platform in its accepted form. (I am aware of the original designs lacking some of those safeties though) It'd be pretty similar to owning a double set trigger and carrying the hunting rifle with it staged already. You could, but shouldn't. Like Bill O posted you could thumb roll like a CZ, but that'd be wasting a time.I agree. Applying the safety is intrinsically more safe than lowering the hammer.
However
My question is not answered. There are 1911 guys that say lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber CANNOT be done safely....meaning one might slip and release their thumb with finger on the trigger and Nd. While all three of the fire arms I mentioned in my post that I own and hunt with will go off if your thumb slips on the hammer with finger on trigger......and that is the precise manual of arms for operating that fire arm. You just need to pay attention.
It's just my observation.
They're wrong. You literally can thumb down the hammer safely on a loaded 1911, just like any DA revolver or lever gun. If your thumb slips and you're not pressing the trigger, it will slam into half cock and probably mess up your sear, but not fire. We do it with CZs in competition all the time. But there's no valid reason to do so on a 1911 because it's SA only, and is safe with a cocked hammer and safety on.
If I was too nervous about carrying in Condition One,This stuff about "no safe way" of lowering the hammer to half cock on a loaded chamber always made me curious. Don't get me wrong.....I'd never carry a 1911 in condition 2......that's just dumb.
But the whole "danger danger" thing about lowering the hammer to half cock.......I have 2 lever action long guns.......a shotgun and a 22.......and a single shot shotgun.......that literally are carried hammer down loaded chamber. The owners manual specifically states how do safely lower the hammer after loading the gun. When I hunt with my levers......load the gun......thumb the hammer.....pull the trigger to release the hammer.....immediately release the trigger.....slowly lower the hammer to half cock.
Why is it Danger danger on a 1911 but on lever action rifles it's ok?
FYI....I'm not saying it's ok to carry condition 2 by any means. Just wondering why the 1911 crowd says omagurd don't ever lower a hammer on a loaded gun but lever action rifles and single shot shotguns it's designed to do exactly that.
I don't own a 1911, so I'm sure there's a lot I don't know about the edge cases of their operation. I certainly haven't experimented with lowering the hammer on one manually. I'll try to remember to do that without a live round in the chamber next time I shoot one.
AFAIK, if you accidentally drop the hammer while lowering it, the 1911 goes off with your thumb behind the slide. I don't know what that will do to the thumb, but I'm guessing you're at least going to be dropping the gun when it goes off.
(Series 70 design with titanium firing pin and beefier spring is how the Ruger 1911's come from the factory. And they pass the Mass drop tests).... series 70 1911s are not drop safe. ... Changing to a lighter titanium firing pin and extra power firing pin retaining spring will significantly increase the height required for a discharge.
That said, there is absolutely no reason to ever decock a 1911 on a live round, or to carry at half-cock. If a cocked hammer gives you the willies, then get something other than a 1911.
Concerning safety of decocking, yes it can be done safely. If done without paying attention, it can result in an ND. It is certainly less safe than simply applying the safety.
If I was too nervous about carrying in Condition One,
then I'd consider Condition Two - if it weren't for the risk in getting there.
(Series 70 design with titanium firing pin and beefier spring is how the Ruger 1911's come from the factory. And they pass the Mass drop tests).
- "I knew what I was doing, and I had just finished doing it 199 times correctly, but the last time I was going to do it before I put the pistol away I must have been tired, and darn, my finger slipped".
- "I wanted to make my pistol safe because <something> (e.g., a failed mugging) had made me very upset, but I had an ND safing the pistol because I didn't do it right because I was upset".
They're wrong. You literally can thumb down the hammer safely on a loaded 1911, just like any DA revolver or lever gun. If your thumb slips and you're not pressing the trigger, it will slam into half cock and probably mess up your sear, but not fire. We do it with CZs in competition all the time. But there's no valid reason to do so on a 1911 because it's SA only, and is safe with a cocked hammer and safety on.
Yep, at least one writer in that THR thread told the thread's OP that.If I was nervous about carrying in condition one (I'm not, I carried 1911s for years), I'd just get a different gun.
Yeah; as I commented in Jan'16, I wish guns were drop safe from at least as high as you can reach, if not at least as high as you can throw them. (Probably totally impractical when just monkeying with inertial parameters, but it would be a relatively objective measure).Note, it will still go off if dropped from enough height onto the muzzle.
^This.You really have to be paying attention when decocking manually. It isn't something I would want to do in the middle of an adrenaline dump. When I'm at a USPSA match with my Shadow 2 during the load and make ready portion, I'm seriously focused on decocking carefully.
Sort of like this.... a modern 1894 manual [teaches decocking] to be done single-handed. And that reminds me a little too much of the old 70's (SNL?) phony ad for a four-button LED watch where the announcer narrates the steps to display the time, as the hand-model's right hand comes in and starts pushing and holding various single buttons, then various pairs of buttons...and then the actor's other left hand comes in from off-screen to pulse the third and then fourth button!