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Ct. State Police Receive Their Notice
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I think the crux of the problem with this confiscate/no confiscate arguement is the fact that the agenda failed at the federal level, for now, and the effort at the state level backfired BIGTIME. The social engineers totally missed the mark on just how much backlash they'd get. I can't see them expecting that so many states would LOOSEN gun laws in response to Sandy Hook.
Will there be confiscations? I think for now onsie-twosie when there is some other cause for a raid other than just having guns and mags. I also think that someday, someone will try and ban all guns here. As to when that happens, who knows? But it ain't going to happen on a large scale anytime soon.
So M1911, your bet is a pretty safe one that you'll get a free coffee if anyone takes you up on it.
But it doesn't make the effort to reach out to the JBT's any less important.
mav
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Yes... haven't you noticed our choir is a bit off-tune and not in sync? This was an attempt to awaken and coalesce 2A supporters in regards to the next steps in this fight. As many note here in this thread, we aren't a very organized movement in anything beyond the legislative fight, which we have lost in liberal states...
Probably - but when the time comes they can't say they weren't warned.
Oh Boy.....Very spooky dude.....Not a read that all will understand.
Haha.....
Liberty has become "spooky".
This is why saving this country is a fruitless effort.
Actually it's a thread about people bitching about a message because it wasn't delivered "correctly".
Which is basically about people admitting that they'll believe anything as long as the messenger delivers it in a way that sounds good to them.
Secede from what? This is the CT state government screwing over it's citizens. The Federal Govt. may follow the example at some point in time (they often follow the leads set by the states) - but for right now the only secession that could happen is towns seceding from CT - and joining another state. Good luck with that in New England.
Based on what I've read about CT over the last year or so (there was a thread here on NES a few months ago about how badly the libs have driven the state down the crapper economically) - it sure looks like what they're working on is a Detroit writ large.
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no kidding....this whole ****ing country has Stockholm Syndrome.
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Last time a real secession attempt happened the government slaughtered hundreds of thousands of citizens and burned entire cities to the ground. The fedgov WILL NOT allow any jurisdiction to peacefully secede.
I sort of agree with this.
I think one of the biggest failings of the pro-gun or liberty movement or whatever - is that they just fail to grasp the totality of the web that has been thrown around them.
SWAT teams aren't likely to show up and start doing the confiscations - at least not right away. They'll demand people register, then they'll demand you turn them in. Some percentage will always do it . Some percentage won't. The real question is: what happens next. The Feds and the states have all sorts of means to go after people. They can refuse to renew their licenses (all of them) , the can confiscate bank accounts, they can hack your computer and shut you down there - etc.
I honestly don't see too many people who REALLY think this shit out.
Resistance movements almost always take heavy losses.
But they often win.
Go look at the kill ratios of US forces vs the enemy in Vietnam.
Last time I checked - we're not there any more.
Go look at how many insurgents in Afghanistan we've killed as compared to how many casualties we've taken. I'm pretty sure you'd find a VERY lopsided number (in favor of the US military) of kills vs killed/injured.
Last time I checked - we're basically losing the Afghan war.
Look at the kill ratios of the Germans vs the Soviets during WW2. If I remember correctly the Germans slaughtered the Russians in large numbers. That still didn't earn them a win.
Numbers don't always tell the whole story.
4GW gets fought on different rules other than just body counts.
If you followed what happened to the militia movement in the 90's at all - you'd realize that there really can't be any sort of overt "organized" resistance movement - until such time that is - as actualy fighting starts.
That's why it's important for each person to get their own head straight - and take care of their own preparations. If any of the history is correct - and any sizable portion of the population REALLY wants to retain their liberty - and is prepared to do something about it, then the organization thing will happen by itself when the time comes (IMHO).
But organizing a bunch of people who have to be convinced that they should fight for liberty - and getting them to understand why they should - and then training them in the basics - is basically expecting the impossible. What you're going to end up with is another Ukraine - and then an even worse tyranny after the fighting is over.
If the people who show up at the organizing are fully versed in liberty - understand why we have ended up where we are - and are trained enough so that they can at least handle the basics - well then you've at least got the beginnings of some sort of REAL resistance.
A lot of the people who fought in the Revolutionary War here - were already combat veterans (French and Indian War) - and had been reading liberty tilting writings for years (Tom Paine) - before the actual fighting starts.
When you read people here on NES who want more taxes for roads, or defend the public schools, or defend the US military being huge and spread all over the globe, or malign people who want to think that this country might actually be saveable - you've got to realize that what you're essentially dealing with is the enemy - or a variant of it.
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They (the Taliban/mujahadeen/whatever) are also largely supported by the population at large.
That is really the crucial thing. In this country I get the sense that the population at large - would largely support the SWAT teams.
That is the REAL problem.
If you can't convince a large enough segment of the population to embrace liberty and give up on the government - then you might as well forget about resistance. If a revolution/civil war starts - and there's a sufficient number of people who are opposed to the government to have a base of support AND that population encompasses land areas enough that the government has no power there - then yeah , maybe something could happen. Also- one common strategy of resistance movements is to gain support over time. They do this by poking the bear - and then sitting back and watching the bear run around the woods stomping on everything in it's path. The people who get stomped - then have a tendency to support the resistance.
This is why I think the REAL problem is the beliefs that people have in their heads - and why I think that if a critical percentage of the population can't be enticed to resist or even BELIEVE in resistance in some form or fashion BEFORE the shooting starts - well then the shooting is just a complete waste of time.
I have a similar rule of thumb regarding all-hands meetings -- the less notice the more important. An all-hands meeting planned months in advance is unimportant -- it will be a "team-building" exercise or some such nonsense.
An all-hands meeting that gets announced 15 minutes ahead of time? That's frickin' important. Could be a layoff, a takeover, etc.
The "big time" backlash in CT is what, so far? Some people have moved out. Most people have ignored the law. That affects the politicians how, exactly? They'll ensure that there are a few token arrests and move on to something else.
I would imagine conversations like this have taken place many times over the course of humanity.
I can see King George and his advisors around a table discussing if the colonist's had the sack to fight back .
Look at what's going on in other parts of the world right now. Egypt. Syria, the Ukraine.
There is a line, where that is, who know's , but there's always a line.
It's not just a question of the population having the sack for it, it's also a question of the politicians having the sack for it.
Things don't historically go well for the loosers.
I can see King George and his advisors around a table discussing if the colonist's had the sack to fight back .
Look at what's going on in other parts of the world right now. Egypt. Syria, the Ukraine.
There is a line, where that is, who know's , but there's always a line.
It's not just a question of the population having the sack for it, it's also a question of the politicians having the sack for it.
Things don't historically go well for the loosers.
I wasn't talking about CT. The state is but one piece in the puzzle. It's the free states that are keeping a worst-case scenario from happening.
OK. So where's the big backlash you were talking about?
dcmdon
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I keep coming back to the fact that CT does NOT HAVE ACTIONABLE INFO that could be used for a warrant against a person who failed to register.
There is nothing they can do. They don't know who owns what. Its just that simple. The transfer laws in CT prior to 4/4/13 were NONEXISTANT with respect to long guns, which makes up the vast majority of AWs.
Prior to 4/4/13 the transfer of an AR 15 between 2 citizens in CT proceeded the same way it does in North Dakota. You give me money, I give you the gun.
sigh. .. . . those were the days.
There is nothing they can do. They don't know who owns what. Its just that simple. The transfer laws in CT prior to 4/4/13 were NONEXISTANT with respect to long guns, which makes up the vast majority of AWs.
Prior to 4/4/13 the transfer of an AR 15 between 2 citizens in CT proceeded the same way it does in North Dakota. You give me money, I give you the gun.
sigh. .. . . those were the days.
Patrick Henry was dismissed in the beginning also as were a few others who put pen to paper in the beginning.
dcmdon
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Matt,
You don't get it. The FFL records only lead them to the first buyer.
Every buyer after that can be anonymous if the first buyer has the sense to say "I don't know" to all their questions. Poof!!! The gun vanishes. Legally.
dcmdon
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You don't get it. it doesn't have to be 100% refusal for it to not be accurate info.
No politically aware CT gun owner will give up that info. At least none that I know.
Do you even know who you sold a gun to 5 years ago?
Finally, and I would never recommend this, but if the police knocked on your door because you didn't register an AW, all you would have to say is "I sold it". And they are done. You have done nothing to justify them getting a warrant. And if they did, after word got out of houses getting tossed and nothing being found, they would have to change their ways.
You Mass people don't seem to realize that we don't have to worry about angering he police in CT. They can't take your pistol permit away for a bad attitude and even if they did, it wouldn't affect your ability to possess firearms. . . . and you'd get it back in 6 months thanks to the BFPE.
You don't get it. it doesn't have to be 100% refusal for it to not be accurate info.
No politically aware CT gun owner will give up that info. At least none that I know.
Do you even know who you sold a gun to 5 years ago?
Finally, and I would never recommend this, but if the police knocked on your door because you didn't register an AW, all you would have to say is "I sold it". And they are done. You have done nothing to justify them getting a warrant. And if they did, after word got out of houses getting tossed and nothing being found, they would have to change their ways.
You Mass people don't seem to realize that we don't have to worry about angering he police in CT. They can't take your pistol permit away for a bad attitude and even if they did, it wouldn't affect your ability to possess firearms. . . . and you'd get it back in 6 months thanks to the BFPE.
Really we don't get it? Actually I do get it and no I don't worry about my LTC. I've done plenty of shit that most would piss themselves over. I know you've seen enough to know better than to say that.
But it let's see me OC with owb through walmart the other night, or open carrying and engaging my chief and captain on what's heading down the line, or meeting with other chiefs, or popping my mag out and dropping down to 7rds at the Holyoke hearing. Should I go on? We get you have a hard on for how free ( laughable) ct is. You do realize regardless of technicalities it's just another shithole like mass.
But you're also assuming they're going to play by the rules. Rules which they will modify to fit their agenda at any given time. So the already violated your 2nd. What's to stop them with 4&5? Did we forget the NSA has copies of everything. Anyone who thinks that you can tell them I sold it and the conversation ends is dreaming. The key is to not get to that point.
But it let's see me OC with owb through walmart the other night, or open carrying and engaging my chief and captain on what's heading down the line, or meeting with other chiefs, or popping my mag out and dropping down to 7rds at the Holyoke hearing. Should I go on? We get you have a hard on for how free ( laughable) ct is. You do realize regardless of technicalities it's just another shithole like mass.
But you're also assuming they're going to play by the rules. Rules which they will modify to fit their agenda at any given time. So the already violated your 2nd. What's to stop them with 4&5? Did we forget the NSA has copies of everything. Anyone who thinks that you can tell them I sold it and the conversation ends is dreaming. The key is to not get to that point.
^^^^ THIS ^^^^
When the Bolsheviks confiscated the guns, they didnt have the tech we do, and they still got most of the guns. You either turned them in, or were killed. And they even killed lots of people that happily handed their guns in, apparently for the LULZ. What really amazes me on this board is the "it cant happen here" stuff. Of course it can.
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Let's see: Colorado recalls two politicians and others decide to resign instead of facing a recall vote.
Other states begin the move to Constitutional carry.
Some states move to nullify federal gun laws, and others criminalize local cooperation with
federal forces in the execution of unconstitutional laws.
Others begin to allow trained school employees to carry concealed on school property.
There are other examples of the great resurgence of gun freedom in this country. And all this post Sandy Hook. And all without any violence. Its just good men and women deciding to do something to keep evil from winning.
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