Colleges to students "use your backpack against a shooter"

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Colleges confront shootings with survival training

By ALAN SCHER ZAGIER
Associated Press Writer
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Hundreds of colleges across the nation have purchased a training program that teaches professors and students not to take campus threats lying down but to fight back with any "improvised weapon," from a backpack to a laptop computer.

The program - which includes a video showing a gunman opening fire in a packed classroom - urges them to be ready to respond to a shooter by taking advantage of the inherent strength in numbers.

It reflects a new response at colleges and universities where grisly memories of the campus shootings at Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University are still fresh.

"Look at your environment through the lens of survival," said Domenick Brouillette, who administered the course at Metropolitan Community College, which serves more than 20,000 students. "Survivors prepare themselves both mentally and emotionally to do what it takes. It might involve life-threatening risk. You may do something you never thought you were capable of doing."

Nearly 300 professors at Metropolitan Community College were shown the video as part of a training exercise before the first day of classes on this downtown campus. The training, produced by the Center for Personal Protection and Safety, a for-profit firm based in Spokane, Wash., is also available for the school's students.

The training drills teachers and students in a "survival mindset," said Randy Spivey, a former U.S. Department of Defense hostage negotiator who is executive director of the center. The center's roster includes retired FBI agents and others with federal law enforcement experience.

"There are two extremes. On the one hand is paranoia, and on the other is oblivion," he said. "We're just trying to get people to keep this on their radar."

The training discourages cowering in a corner or huddling together in fear, Brouillette emphasized at the Kansas City session.

Instead, Metropolitan Community College faculty members were taught to be aware of their surroundings and to think of common classroom objects - such as laptops and backpacks - as "improvised weapons."

The program has been bought by nearly 500 colleges, which tailor the company's safety messages - laid out in instructional videos and other training guides - to craft localized violence prevention programs. Spivey expects that by year's end that number will have grown to about 1,000 schools.

Schools may provide the training to students as well as staff, as at Metropolitan, or limit it to instructors or security personnel.

Campus safety experts interviewed by The Associated Press said they are not aware of any similar survival training courses marketed specifically to college campuses.

"It's a dark subject," Brouillette said. "But we can't say 'It's never going to happen again.' It's 'When is it going to happen?' And we have to be prepared to survive that."

The sort of aggressive survival response cited by Brouillette troubles school violence researcher Loren Coleman, a retired University of Southern Maine professor.

Showing students violent images of school shootings could trigger post-traumatic stress or other reactions that resident advisers, graduate assistants and similarly untrained workers would be unequipped to handle, Coleman said.

And the techniques shown in instructional videos such as "Shots Fired" could provide inspiration for troubled students considering their own acts of violence, Coleman suggested.

"You more or less are giving them a blueprint for how to avoid law enforcement," he said.

At the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, officials are looking for ways to incorporate the training as part of the school's "Alert Carolina" program. Campus police chief Jeff McCracken said the school may offer hands-on training to students and faculty, or simply post a link on the university Web site.

Despite the relative rarity of deadly violence on campus, colleges can no longer assume that they are immune from such problems, McCracken said.

"I do think it's important that we talk to our folks and give them some guidance on how to protect themselves and others," he said. "It's not something that 10 years ago we thought we'd be talking about. But unfortunately, it's something we need to do now."

Todd Bowdish, a Metropolitan Community College life sciences professor who participated in the recent training session, agreed that today's classroom climate requires extreme caution.

"It's a really basic thing," Bowdish said. "We have drills for fires and tornadoes. This is just another tool for the toolbox."

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"KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Hundreds of colleges across the nation have purchased a training program that teaches professors and students not to take campus threats lying down but to fight back with any "improvised weapon," from a backpack to a laptop computer"

..."real weapons of self defense of course will not be allowed"[rolleyes]
 
One of these days someone is going to knife a would-be violent offender on a campus. That person will most likely then be expelled.
 
The sort of aggressive survival response cited by Brouillette troubles school violence researcher Loren Coleman, a retired University of Southern Maine professor.

Showing students violent images of school shootings could trigger post-traumatic stress or other reactions that resident advisers, graduate assistants and similarly untrained workers would be unequipped to handle, Coleman said.

WTF? If that were true then 90% of the news broadcasts, video games and movies they're watching could trigger PTSD.

That's actually insulting to many people who legitimatly struggle with PTSD - including my wife.
 
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Hundreds of colleges across the nation have purchased a training program that teaches professors and students not to take campus threats lying down but to fight back with any "improvised weapon," from a backpack to a laptop computer.

[rofl][laugh2][laugh]

Of course, REAL weapons are strictly forbidden - someone might get hurt. [rolleyes]

The sort of aggressive survival response cited by Brouillette troubles school violence researcher Loren Coleman, a retired University of Southern Maine professor.

Showing students violent images of school shootings could trigger post-traumatic stress or other reactions that resident advisers, graduate assistants and similarly untrained workers would be unequipped to handle, Coleman said.

And the techniques shown in instructional videos such as "Shots Fired" could provide inspiration for troubled students considering their own acts of violence, Coleman suggested.

"You more or less are giving them a blueprint for how to avoid law enforcement," he said.
After all, it's not like they can just read how the LAST 4 or 5 mass murderers did it on the internet. [rolleyes]

What an idiot. Preparing the students to survive might damage their frail widdle egos, so just let them be slaughtered. Stupid asshat. Bet he votes Democratic, too.
 
And for years women have been taught to protect themselves in ways that never included guns.

Self protection methodology is just that - whether guns are permitted or not - there will always be situations (and people) where the "victims" are sans guns.

So rather than thinking that this is a way around the carrying of guns...it is just assisting people to feel (potentially) in control of their environment.
 
Well, I see it as a Good Start, even if it comes short of what's needed.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and short of a traumatic incident, people's attitudes don't usually change in a day.
 
At least they are talking about fighting back, rather than getting on their knees and begging.

And for years women have been taught to protect themselves in ways that never included guns.

Self protection methodology is just that - whether guns are permitted or not - there will always be situations (and people) where the "victims" are sans guns.

So rather than thinking that this is a way around the carrying of guns...it is just assisting people to feel (potentially) in control of their environment.

Indeed. And every little bit helps.
 
I had a class with that guy. His real claim to fame is writing a book on the Chupacabra. He has been interviewed by Art Bell a couple of times. He is also a self proclaimed expert on the Yeti. [rofl]

He is a real Renaissance man if he is now billing himself as a school violence researcher.[laugh]

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Well, I see it as a Good Start, even if it comes short of what's needed.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and short of a traumatic incident, people's attitudes don't usually change in a day.

Indeed.

File under AFT - About Freakin' Time!

This "hide under your desks" theory of survival was utter crap when I did as a kid to "save" me from atomic attack and it's utter crap now as a "defense" against a Columbine/Virginia Tech massacre.
 
Just more feel good fluff. It's sound mental defense, but it doesnt do much to level the playing field on a physical level. Reminds me of this 10 year old female black-belt that I know. Her confidence level and mental awareness is through the roof. But other than that you are lying to yourself if you think she stands a chance in a physical confrentation with a grown man. Ignorance is bliss.

Shit hits the fan and the plan flies with it as soon as punches or bullets start flying. Our police and swat teams don't carry book bags.
 
Why not put "classroom marshalls" in colleges. If the school does not allow you to carry any type of weapon to defend yourself in a potential deadly situation, put a "sleeper" in each classroom. An armed government employee who pretends to be a student but is armed with a handgun.

They're doing it in the air, where passengers are not allowed to carry any type of self-defense. An air marshall sits there and just waits for any problems. Why not in colleges? I know, the idea is outlandish. What will it take to help students feel safe?
 
this is a sad sad day when you have to teach people common sense things.

"hey! when someones shooting at you and trying to kill you did you know its a bad idea to lay on the ground and hide in plainsight?"

forget a laptop of a backpack with a few books in it, how about you smash a desk or a chair of the persons head. thats how you knock people the f*** out.

i can see it now, the next school shooting youll have hoardes of people hitting the killer with 2lbs books. yeah thats really going to stop that insane SOB.
 
We...we really try and discourage people from self help.
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Strength in numbers? It takes one well placed shot by a lawful gun owner. No collateral damage required while taking him/her "by strength in numbers."
 
Why not put "classroom marshalls" in colleges. If the school does not allow you to carry any type of weapon to defend yourself in a potential deadly situation, put a "sleeper" in each classroom. An armed government employee who pretends to be a student but is armed with a handgun.

They're doing it in the air, where passengers are not allowed to carry any type of self-defense. An air marshall sits there and just waits for any problems. Why not in colleges? I know, the idea is outlandish. What will it take to help students feel safe?

Acctually they are doing it in less than 10%(probably much less) of flights over the US. Not every plane has one.
 
hey since their giving these people classes on how to defend themselfs, they should give them classes on how to safely cross the street to, since the subjects are on the same level of intelligence.

dont forget to look both ways!
 
"...to fight back with any "improvised weapon," from a backpack to a laptop computer."


i'm currently in college, will be moving in this sunday and most of the people i know would rather be shot then risk damaging their MacBook....
 
I suppose if you have one of those bullet resistant back packs they have nowadays the statement makes some sense. But i'd rather have that AND my sidearm against an attacker.
 
One of these days someone is going to knife a would-be violent offender on a campus. That person will most likely then be expelled.

And he should be proud of his expulsion.

The idiots who run the place where I work are coming up with a "violence in the workplace" policy complete with color coded flow charts. What a bunch of fudge packers......
 
In the middle of their presentation interrupt them and ask them if they know what the colors of the Terrorist Threat Warning system are?

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