Boston Globe: SJC state law requiring trigger locks on firearms

Its a shame that after all this time we still have to fight for our rights, whats so hard to understand about......The right of the people, to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed . Those judges are a disgrace. Unfortunatly there are always going to be people out there who want to subjugate others

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
 
We also note that, even if a firearm were secured in the manner required by G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a ), a gun owner threatened in his or her home today would be able to fire the weapon in self-defense at least as quickly as would a gun owner in 1791, when the Second Amendment was adopted. At that time, laws were in effect requiring that gunpowder be stored separately from firearms, which meant that a law-abiding homeowner acting in self-defense would need time to load and fire a musket or flintlock pistol.

Is that even true? I seem to recall reading that many (most?) people would keep a loaded musket handy in case a wolf got into the hen house or something. I've even heard rumors (urban legends?) of guys buying old muskets at antique shops, getting them home, and finding out that they've been loaded for 100+ years.

Not that it even matters.... By that logic the speed limit today should be 15 miles per hour because that's how fast a horse could run in 1791.....
 
I was assuming that it was shorter, but I've really got no basis for that assumption.

Your assumption is correct. Notice of appeal must be filed within 30 days after judgment for criminal case. Mass.R.A.P. 4(b).
 
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Bizarre beyond words...

Is this intended as some kind of joke?

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No, Breyer is actually mentally ill. It's clear from his writings and comments on oral arguments that he is delusional. He will stop at nothing and say anything to support his case for forcibly disarming US citizens.

As much as I believe that we have an inherent right ("endowed by the creator") to self defense which the Constitution (both state and Federal) recognize - the purpose of the second amendment goes well beyond "self defense" from home invaders.

The point of this amendment was to serve as a check and balance to the power of the state. The people who wrote that amendment had literally just endured gun banning and confiscation orders issued by the former government. They, at great personal risk, broke the law of the king, and hid weapons and armament which were later used against their government (the British).

We too often forget that we are not talking about a "foreign government" invading the US which the revolutionaries pushed out. The British crown was "the government" at the time.

Breyer's interpretation is not only historically inaccurate, it is willfully ignorant of logic and reality. His interpretation of militia service and function of the time is wrong. His view of the "right of self defense" is wrong and this inane concoction of attempting to define rights by the function of the rifles of the time is absurd.

As Barry likes to say:
"Let me be clear," the purpose of the second amendment is nothing less than to give the people the right and ability to rise up with effective military force against an oppressive government which should be presumed to be armed with all the modern armament of the day - that's what they faced.

They intended nothing less than to give us the ability to do as they had done - but code it in as a right and a responsibility. They did this in hopes that it would remind Congress, the Courts, the President, etc... that they could not act with impunity. This final check to the power of the state was one of many master strokes that could only be undone by a people who desired to be oppressed and gave up this power.

It's not about hunters rights. Though it also protects defending against crime, that too is an afterthought of this amendment. This amendment was a "revolutionary" (pun intended) statement at the time which made it illegal for government to take the first step in oppressing its people (disarming them).

They hoped doing so would slow the hand of the government in its inevitable slide towards tyranny.
 
Your assumption is correct. Notice of appeal must be filed within 30 days after judgment for criminal case.

If true, the cape cop gets away with it (for whatever reason, I am not implying anything) and this dude runyan suffers. Equal protection at it's finest.
 
“Gants wrote in the DePina case. "We conclude that, based on current Federal law, the Second Amendment does not apply to the States, either through the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of substantive due process or otherwise.''"

So the SJC’s decision hangs on their opinion that the second amendment lives outside of the incorporation doctrine created by the 14th amendment. This doctrine means that any right listed in the constitution are imposed on states and state laws. The US Supreme Court has the final say if the 2nd amendment protections applies to state law. This very issue is now being decided by the US Supreme Court. It is very likely that the Mass SJC decision my be very short lived
 
The reason is simple........ the DA on the cape is pretty pro 2A and chose not to appeal and the DA in the Runyan case is not pro 2A and chose to appeal....

So ignoring a violation of a law designed to prevent EXACTLY the type of incident as actually happened is being "pretty pro 2A?"

Cut the crap.

It's being pretty - make that blatantly - biased in favor of letting a grossly irresponsible cop walk.
 
So ignoring a violation of a law designed to prevent EXACTLY the type of incident as actually happened is being "pretty pro 2A?"

Cut the crap.

It's being pretty - make that blatantly - biased in favor of letting a grossly irresponsible cop walk.

Who ignored a violation of the law? He was charged by the local police and the DA's office prosecuted the case. The case was dismissed by the judge as a result of a motion hearing.
 
If true, the cape cop gets away with it (for whatever reason, I am not implying anything) and this dude runyan suffers. Equal protection at it's finest.

The reason is simple........ the DA on the cape is pretty pro 2A and chose not to appeal and the DA in the Runyan case is not pro 2A and chose to appeal....

Quoting the whole original so the intent of my statement is made clear. Some people suffering under a bad law while others, maybe many others, do not doesn't make said bad law any better. Either we all suffer together or we go down alone one at a time.

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So ignoring a violation of a law designed to prevent EXACTLY the type of incident as actually happened is being "pretty pro 2A?"

Cut the crap.

It's being pretty - make that blatantly - biased in favor of letting a grossly irresponsible cop walk.

Regardless of his profession, the glaring inequity here is runyan's kid did not do anything wrong with the real firearms (and was shooting BBs into another yard IIRC). The situation on the cape involved a kid pointing the real gun at another kid and pulling the trigger (it was unloaded thankfully). Who deserved to be punished more?
 
Who ignored a violation of the law? He was charged by the local police and the DA's office prosecuted the case. The case was dismissed by the judge as a result of a motion hearing.

Pass # 1: The dismissal was an absurd invocation of Heller, which was wholly inapplicable.

Pass # 2: The DA let that absurdity stand by not appealing a clearly flawed decision.

Does that state the issue with sufficient clarity for you?
 
Pass # 1: The dismissal was an absurd invocation of Heller, which was wholly inapplicable.

Pass # 2: The DA let that absurdity stand by not appealing a clearly flawed decision.

Does that state the issue with sufficient clarity for you?


Are you advocating the appeal of every flawed decision a judge makes at an average expense of $15,000 an appeal? How much time do you spend in criminal court? There are flawed decisions that could be appealed on a daily basis.
 
Are you advocating the appeal of every flawed decision a judge makes at an average expense of $15,000 an appeal? How much time do you spend in criminal court? There are flawed decisions that could be appealed on a daily basis.

Are you advocating the turning of a blind eye to an event that, but for the gun being unloaded, could have resulted in the intentional killing of a child?

Are you suggesting that this "flawed decision" was anything but a shriveled fig leaf to cover a decision that Joe or Jane Gunowner would NEVER receive?

Are you hopelessly naive, or just hoping we all are?
 
Are you advocating the turning of a blind eye to an event that, but for the gun being unloaded, could have resulted in the intentional killing of a child?

Again.... who turned a blind eye.... not every poor decision from a judge can be appealed. Are you so knowledgeable of the case to know that there were not other issues that would have made prosecution problematic that the expense of an appeal would have been fruitless?

Are you hopelessly naive, or just hoping we all are?

Nope... neither... I agree that the judge was grossly improperly applying Heller in the case but I also know the realities of not being able to appeal every flawed decision.
 
Nope... neither... I agree that the judge was grossly improperly applying Heller in the case but I also know the realities of not being able to appeal every flawed decision.

Agreed.

But a high-visibility case such as that was WILL be compared to Runyan . The glaring disparity in how the two cases were handled makes the the perception of bias inevitable. THAT makes an appeal necessary.

Like Caesar's wife, the legal system must not only be pure, but have the appearance of being pure. The Cape case was an insult to law, logic and the perception of justice.
 
Like Caesar's wife, the legal system must not only be pure, but have the appearance of being pure. The Cape case was an insult to law, logic and the perception of justice.

So long as every County has a different elected DA with differing agendas and budgets there will never be judicial consistency. Unfortunately many decisions as to the appellate avenue come down to finances. If the DA files an appeal they have to fund the defense as well and that gets costly.
 
Agreed.

But a high-visibility case such as that was WILL be compared to Runyan . The glaring disparity in how the two cases were handled makes the the perception of bias inevitable. THAT makes an appeal necessary.

Like Caesar's wife, the legal system must not only be pure, but have the appearance of being pure. The Cape case was an insult to law, logic and the perception of justice.
Food for thought: do you think the SJC would have changed anything had it been the cop's case appealed and Runyan's dropped on the basis of Heller and not appealed?

In HC's defense, I don't think it would. This is one last jab in the eye to ensure that there are as many hurdles as possible in the way once 2A is incorporated. I am not arguing that there wasn't bias, but in the end it would not have changed the SJC's action here.

And no, I don't think the did it to be "correct" and apply the standing law a few months before just about everyone knows that law is about to be overturned. They could have sat on it if they wanted to avoid overturning MA precedent on their own.
 
So long as every County has a different elected DA with differing agendas and budgets there will never be judicial consistency.
You forgot the diseased bench legislating from the bench as well in that equation...

This state has no balance of power - it is one of the most striking things about it coming from the outside. I don't know if the unopposed elections are cause or symptom but the political base of this state needs to be dismantled...
 
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The fact is that in the State Police officer case, everyone in law enforcement was looking for a way to provide the appearnce of due process while doing everything in their power to allow the officer to keep his job and ability to carry.

Scrivener is right, that no average citizen would have received the same 'consideration'!
 
This all comes back to all animals NOT being created equal. Relying on stare decisis in a MA superior court is a crap shoot these days. If you are in a "protected" class (not in the consitutional sense but in the MA political sense), then the rules are applied differently to you. While you may be judged in a MA court, there is very little justice these days IMO.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, the state decided not to appeal his case. So his acquittal stands.

I can't remember the name or the town, and cannot find the thread. I am not totally sure I know what happened in that case, but I just recall it being either dependent on the Runyan case, or vice versa, or them somehow affecting or conflicting with one another.

Thanks for at least confirming it existed, and isn't just in my mixed up memory.
 
Massachusetts’ Highest Court Hastens to Rule Against the Second Amendment

On Wednesday, March 10, 2010 the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court (MassSJC) handed down its ruling in COMMONWEALTH vs. Richard RUNYAN (SJC-10480). The Runyan case regarded a lower court’s decision to dismiss a charge of improper gun storage. The lower court dismissed the charges based the ruling in the Heller decision in the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS).

Of important note in this decision, that can only be called an aberration, is the absence of a dissenting opinion. This means that every justice sitting on Massachusetts’ highest court agrees with everything written in the decision.

In a completely surprising and very disturbing opinion the court ruled against the Second Amendment as being an individual right and also ruled incorrectly that Heller did not rule that trigger lock requirements were unconstitutional.

In the opinion of the MassSJC, authored by Justice Gants, the court stated the following:

“The judge's conclusion that the Supreme Court's decision in Heller required a dismissal of the count charging a violation of G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a ), rests on two premises, both of which are in error. First, the decision assumes that the protection of the Second Amendment applies to the States as a matter of substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Based on current Federal law, however, we cannot say that the Second Amendment applies to the States, either through the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of substantive due process or otherwise.”

Under the holdings of the Heller decision the court clearly stated in statement number 1: “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.” It is technically true that Heller did not “incorporate” the Second Amendment as being applied to the states.

What is also true and very well known is that SCOTUS just heard oral arguments on McDonald v. Chicago. This case has been well publicized as being the first case in United States history to directly address the incorporation status of the Second Amendment. Knowing this case was in the works, why would the MassSJC issue an opinion citing a century’s worth of convoluted anti-civil rights gibberish?

To make matters worse, and even more offensive, the MassSJC in its Runyan opinion continually cited Cruikshank as being the determining factor in ruling against the Second Amendment. “Under Cruikshank, the Second Amendment imposes no limitations on the ability of the Massachusetts Legislature to regulate the possession of firearms and ammunition.”

Cruikshank was a post Civil War 1875 decision handed down by the Supreme Court of the United States. This case is renowned as one of the most racist anti-civil rights cases ever handed. The case was in regards to a massacre at the Colfax Court House where approximately one hundred people guarding the premises, mostly freed black men, where disarmed and murdered by a white mob.

Further citing of Cruikshank in the Runyan decision was found in Foot Note 4 at the end of the opinion. In it the court attempted to say that the Heller decision upheld the findings in Cruikshank. “FN4. The Heller Court stated that the question whether United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875) (Cruikshank ), remains a continuing bar against application of the Second Amendment to the States was "not presented" to the Court. District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783, 2813 n. 23 (2008) (Heller ). Therefore, Cruikshank 's holding that the Second Amendment does not apply to the States has not been affected by the Court's decision in Heller.”

In reading Heller, FN4 of Runyan was not at all accurate and taken completely out of context. What was actually written in Heller was a footnote numbered 23 on page 48: “With respect to Cruikshank’s continuing validity on incorporation, a question not presented by this case, we note that Cruikshank also said that the First Amendment did not apply against the States and did not engage in the sort of Fourteenth Amendment inquiry required by our later cases.”

What the Heller court was saying is that if we believe that the Cruikshank opinion still rules against the Second Amendment than we have to believe it still rules against the First Amendment. It has always been a dark secret for those who still use the case against us that it ruled against the First Amendment Right of Assembly.

In what can only be called selective citing of Heller by the MassSJC, the court stated: “In Heller, the Supreme Court acknowledged that in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875) (Cruikshank ), it held that "the Second Amendment does not by its own force apply to anyone other than the Federal Government."

Actually the following is the complete statement from Heller regarding that point:

United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, in the course of vacating the convictions of members of a white mob for depriving blacks of their right to keep and bear arms, held that the Second Amendment does not by its own force apply to anyone other than the Federal Government. The opinion explained that the right “is not a right granted by the Constitution [or] in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment . . . means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress.” 92 U. S., at 553. States, we said, were free to restrict or protect the right under their police powers. The limited discussion of the Second Amendment in Cruik¬shank supports, if anything, the individual-rights interpretation.

The Massachusetts court conveniently left out the part about individual rights. After reading the Runyan decision, one has to wonder whether anyone on the MassSJC actually read Heller or if they simply relied on someone else’s misrepresentation of it.

The second part of the MassSJC decision was in regards to the mandatory storage of firearms and trigger locks and whether such laws were constitutional. The MassSJC ruling stated: “We conclude that the legal obligation safely to secure firearms in G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a), is not unconstitutional, that the motion to dismiss the count charging its violation was allowed in error, and that the defendant may face prosecution on this count. [FN9]”

This part of the decision makes one wonder if the court even read the Heller decision. In the holdings in Heller, number 3 clearly stated: “3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment.” It can’t be anymore clear. The Supreme Court of the United States declared that trigger lock requirements are unconstitutional.

One could not talk about the Runyan decision without mentioning one of the most bizarre parts of any court ruling ever seen. At the end of the ruling in FN8 Justice Gants actually attempts to justify his opinion on trigger locks by equating the time it takes to disengage one with how long it would take to load a musket in 1791.


“FN8. We also note that, even if a firearm were secured in the manner required by G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a ), a gun owner threatened in his or her home today would be able to fire the weapon in self-defense at least as quickly as would a gun owner in 1791, when the Second Amendment was adopted. At that time, laws were in effect requiring that gunpowder be stored separately from firearms, which meant that a law-abiding homeowner acting in self-defense would need time to load and fire a musket or flintlock pistol. See Heller, supra at 2849-2850 (Breyer, J., dissenting). A skilled soldier of that time using specially prepared cartridges required a minimum of fifteen to twenty seconds to load and fire a musket; a less skilled soldier could fire no more quickly than once per minute. Hicks, United States Military Shoulder Arms, 1795-1935, 1 Am. Military Hist. Found. 23, 30-31 (1937). A gun owner today could remove a firearm from a locked container or release a trigger lock more quickly than that.”

Is it the opinion of the Justice that the courts make determinations on our modern day civil rights based on the technologies and abilities of the 1700’s? If that were expanded to every civil right many things we take for granted today would be banned or heavily restricted.
Perhaps though, the most telling part of this abhorrent decision can be found at the end in FN7.
“FN7. We note that the Court in Heller, supra at 2820, declared that its analysis should not be taken to "suggest the invalidity of laws regulating the storage of firearms to prevent accidents." We do not, however, decide whether the defendant's alleged violation of G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a ), could survive a motion to dismiss if the Second Amendment were made applicable to the States through incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment's due process clause.”

This statement basically tells us that the court was well aware that the McDonald case at the federal level may well incorporate the Second Amendment and that if they waited for that case to be settled, the MassSJC probably could not get away with the ruling they just made. Is it any wonder that lawful gun owners feel they are waiting behind enemy lines to be set free?
 
I took some time during my lunch and read through the decisions reason the opinions of the court. Thankfully I did this prior to eating or lunch would have been demonstrating the laws of physics.
FN8 - Page 6 of the PDF states in their opinion "I'll paraphrase" that a trigger lock does not impede the person the ability to defend ones self anymore than when the second amendment was written that ball and powder had to be separately loaded. That a trigger lock is much faster to open than loading a musket was for the people of 1791. Just let that settle in for awhile....

I always wondered why out west they mandate that judges are elected, now I finally see why. No amount of corruption from elections and campaigns can compare to to lifelong appointments of people that think like that statements author. The only way to save this state from itself is to start a movement to have judges elected and therefore the ability to be unelected.

http://goal.org/Documents/runyandecision.pdf

FN8. We also note that, even if a firearm were secured in the manner required by G.L. c. 140, § 131L (a ), a gun owner threatened in his or her home today would be able to fire the weapon in self-defense at least as quickly as would a gun owner in 1791, when the Second Amendment was adopted. At that time, laws were in effect requiring that gunpowder be stored separately from firearms, which meant that a law-abiding homeowner acting in self-defense would need time to load and fire a musket or flintlock pistol. See Heller, supra at 2849-2850 (Breyer, J., dissenting). A skilled soldier of that time using specially prepared cartridges required a minimum of fifteen to twenty seconds to load and fire a musket; a less skilled soldier could fire no more quickly than once per minute. Hicks, United States Military Shoulder Arms, 1795-1935, 1 Am. Military Hist. Found. 23, 30-31 (1937). A gun owner today could remove a firearm from a locked container or release a trigger lock more quickly than that.
 
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In regards to the storage of powder being separate from the firearm in the past, this is also taken severely out of context. Powder storage was of great concern because of its explosive nature in those days (black powder vs. modern smokeless powder) and such "Storage" of bulk powder was strictly regulated for safety reasons. This is why communities erected and maintained public powder magazines in virtually every town as a means to provide a safe storage location away from habited dwellings of bulk powder. Storage of smaller quantities within occupied dwellings were also strictly regulated to keep the occupants safe. It should be noted, however, that firearms kept in the home for protection of both life and property (livestock) were generally KEPT LOADED because of the time needed to perform the loading operation as mentioned in the decision.

Not only are these justices ignorant of the law, they appear to be wholly ignorant of history as well.
 
I always wondered why out west they mandate that judges are elected, now I finally see why. No amount of corruption from elections and campaigns can compare to to lifelong appointments of people that think like that statements author. The only way to save this state from itself is to start a movement to have judges elected and therefore the ability to be unelected.
I strongly disagree. Most people in MA are liberal and anti-gun. If these judges were elected, decisions like this one would help them get re-elected.
 
I strongly disagree. Most people in MA are liberal and anti-gun. If these judges were elected, decisions like this one would help them get re-elected.

In general, the reason judges are appointed for life is to make them less sensitive to the 'will of the people', as a hedge against the 'tyranny of the majority'. It doesn't always work, but the alternative doesn't work out well for minorities, as you've pointed out.
 
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