Meh. Some FFL as a full on business, some FFL purely as a hobby. Many are somewhere in between those two scenarios. All are fully within their constitutional rights, and the gay unconstitutional laws. They’re all equally allowed to engage in legal commerce. Equality is cool.
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You cannot buy politicians. They can, however, be rented.
puška m70
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No, ALL FFLs are in business to make money. No FFLs got their licence just to enhance their personal collection or as a hobby. When I was going through the application process this is very clear. FFLs are in it to make a profit as a business venture.
Well.... except for the fact that FFLs are legally required to do shitloads of gun-related things that don't necessarily involve "selling guns at open retail to the public. " If you're "making money with guns" you typically have to be an FFL, and in mass in most cases you still need state licenses too. Gunsmith? FFL. Gun journalism? FFL. Gun youtuber? FFL. Accessory/holster manufacturer? (In some cases, FFL.) Cleaning peoples guns? FFL. Even if you wanted to just sell accessories most distributors require an 01 or 07 on file before they'll even talk to you. Firearm industry consultant? FFL.
Not completely true, there's a metric f***ton of non sales reasons why someone might need one.
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There is one exception - you can get an FFL for the purpose of research, photography, or gun writing without any intent to sell or maintain regular business hours .... even if you do so on a volunteer basis. This was declared acceptable in an ATF ruling when they started requiring such persons to have an FFL to obtain gun directly from manufacturers if they had relationship other than W2 employee.
I would expect the ATF would require proof, not just an assertion the applicant was going to post articles on NES.
The pre-ruling exemption would, for example, allow a gun manufacturer to ship a rep guns for exhibition at a show, match, display as sales samples, etc. without a W2 relationship or an FFL. Now one of the two is required.
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That's not even completely true. I know at least one hardcore gun collector from this forum who was more or less "politely encouraged" by the ATF to get an FFL. He did run a retail business which is still operational today under a different licensee. He was moving enough guns and cash legally the ATF deemed it profit bearing activity.
puška m70
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Whoops, I'm wrong
Not entirely, just suggesting theres nuances involved here. It goes both ways, if you're on the smaller end volume wise they might say "no profit motive" but honestly it doesn't take much to trigger profit motive.
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The f***ed up thing is I’m gonna have to get another FLL sell my collection..
It should be at least as hard to vote as it is to obtain your FFL. The difference being FFL is legitimate and voting isn’t..
As much as I don’t like Donald Trump it’s pretty much the only option going forward or Disanto/Ted Cruz Or the whack job from Texas
Regardless I see a suppressor in my future
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She never should have gotten past Ma**h***. The proper procedure was to immediately notify @one-eyed Jack for authority to have them removed from the entire premises, not just one shop. After Ma**h***, they made it upstairs. Someone told me, I sent it up the chain of command, Jack was contacted, and it was handled accordingly. Thankfully, Littleton PD was close by.
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It’s the same shit just a different day. People getting harassed for trying to follow the law
If you advertise a gun for sale for more than you paid for it with the intent to make a profit, you need an FFL. There's no need to "prove" research, writing, or any other nonsense. Buy a gun, put it on Gunbroker for more than you paid for it, and you need an FFL. Whether you sell it or not, you've proved intent. It's not complicated.
FormerlyIndifferent
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Interesting that it wasn't called a cache of gun shops, or an arsenal....
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Agreed and understood. My point was there was that there is an exception that does not require the intent to make a profit selling guns in order to hold an FFL.
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An interesting point is that the majority of FFLs in the United States are "table top" FFLs, i.e. run out of one's home as a home business. However, Massachusetts is an outlier in that the state laws are so constructed that it's pretty much impossible to run anything other than an 03 (C&R) FFL out of your home. That's why the majority of FFLs at the Mill are there in the first place. In a free state, I'm pretty sure a large percentage of them would be running a home based FFL. It's Massachusetts's own anti-gun laws that force folks into joining together so they can have a reasonably priced "place of business" outside of their home. It's still costs more to run a small FFL in Mass, even at the Mill, then it does in pretty much any other state, but the Mill makes it feasible for folks living in its vicinity.
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Meh. Karens in Littleton are outraged... but it's all legal and above board.
Where do you think this is gonna go?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qfNR-ft7A4
Where do you think this is gonna go?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qfNR-ft7A4
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3 of the 5 Board members pro 2A.
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Someone should have said this at the meeting. It is like an artist colony, only in the art of firearms; and to practice this art, by law, one needs a commercial place of business; so out of economic scale, they tended to group together here.
steven grammont
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I'll be going shopping there tomorrow, the more they bitch about the shop , the more I support the shop
If I was there when they were there, I would be leaving with a tshirt over my head.
Like this:
one-eyed Jack
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My point is to make it known that claiming that there are 80 retail, stocking, over the counter GUN SHOPS or STORES in the Mill is an outright lie by the Globe. Even Joe Collins, the trustee who is no longer with us was an 07 and who did no business at all is in the count. I retired from the biz last fall but the Globe claims that I sell machine guns which is another lie. The only thing that they got right is that I'm a liberal hater. End of story. Jack.
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Boghog1
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Since when do you expect journalists to tell the truth?
Not a lawyer but does this cross the line for slander? Even if it doesn't I would attempt to sue them if I had the money. Just for the sake of doing it.
SwampYankee42
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They were long gone by the time I left. However I did plan to claim I was trans and need protection from MAGA if questioned on the way out just to stir the pot.
pastera
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Comments are great - plenty of clearly written pro mill comments followed by but guns stuff
And then this one:
Looks like they are starting to realize that they are just idiotic pawns in a power game - unfortunately they are goldfish and will forget all of this as soon as it scrolls off their feed
And then this one:
Looks like they are starting to realize that they are just idiotic pawns in a power game - unfortunately they are goldfish and will forget all of this as soon as it scrolls off their feed
Yeah, that's the same article without the cool picture of me and Sherif.
I didnt think one room could be filled with so many scared Karens...
