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ATF Raids Polymer 80
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Marty McFly
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Should've offered up a few kilograms of raw bauxite.Its more like 1%. I mean, they cut it to length width and height.![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
chris_1001
NES Member
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Marty McFly
NES Member
Now you are thinking.
We need to stop kidding ourselves that we are a 'right' and 'just' country. We have a system of justice that was designed to be fair but in reality the application of justice today is as politically biased as at any point in our history. Feelings over facts. Pandering over integrity.
Marty McFly
NES Member
That ain't no lowa. Thees ees eh lowa.
mikeyp
NES Member
Looks like things are getting worse
www.thefirearmblog.com
GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
Earlier today TFB reported on a story in the Wall Street Journal stating that the ATF had apparently conducted a search warrant at Polymer80 Inc, a company known for producing 80% firearm kits and related parts. These 80% builds, often referred to as “Ghost Guns” by media outlets, presumably because they can be built into firearms without needing to visit an FFL, have long been a topic of debate. This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provided additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.
The reader stated that on the afternoon of December 10, 2020, they were visited by the ATF and were requested to surrender any Polymer80 kits. The ATF took custody of the Buy Build Shoot Kit and provided them with a receipt for the property. In the “Basis for Transfer or Seizure of Items” box, the ATF agent wrote “Polymer80, Inc. Investigation”. The email to TFB stated:
ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
The Polymer80 kit known as the Buy Build Shoot kit comes with all the parts, tools and jigs needed to build a working firearm. Federal law allows for non-prohibited persons to build working firearms for personal use. A serial number is not required unless the individual decides to sell the home-built firearm at a later date. A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required if an individual builds firearm(s) with the intent of offering them for sale. At that point, other regulations like a firearms transaction record may be required as part of federal law.
The basis for the initial raid at Polymer80 and the forfeiture of Polymer80 kits is still unknown. We’ll keep you updated as the story progresses.
The Polymer80® Buy Build Shoot™ kit contains all the necessary components to build a complete PF940C™ or PF940v2™ pistol.
Kit Includes:
ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits - This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provide additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and are requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.
www.thefirearmblog.com
GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
Earlier today TFB reported on a story in the Wall Street Journal stating that the ATF had apparently conducted a search warrant at Polymer80 Inc, a company known for producing 80% firearm kits and related parts. These 80% builds, often referred to as “Ghost Guns” by media outlets, presumably because they can be built into firearms without needing to visit an FFL, have long been a topic of debate. This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provided additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.
The reader stated that on the afternoon of December 10, 2020, they were visited by the ATF and were requested to surrender any Polymer80 kits. The ATF took custody of the Buy Build Shoot Kit and provided them with a receipt for the property. In the “Basis for Transfer or Seizure of Items” box, the ATF agent wrote “Polymer80, Inc. Investigation”. The email to TFB stated:
ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
The Polymer80 kit known as the Buy Build Shoot kit comes with all the parts, tools and jigs needed to build a working firearm. Federal law allows for non-prohibited persons to build working firearms for personal use. A serial number is not required unless the individual decides to sell the home-built firearm at a later date. A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required if an individual builds firearm(s) with the intent of offering them for sale. At that point, other regulations like a firearms transaction record may be required as part of federal law.
The basis for the initial raid at Polymer80 and the forfeiture of Polymer80 kits is still unknown. We’ll keep you updated as the story progresses.
The Polymer80® Buy Build Shoot™ kit contains all the necessary components to build a complete PF940C™ or PF940v2™ pistol.
Kit Includes:
- PF-Series™ 80% Pistol Frame Kit
- 9mm Complete Slide Assembly
- Stainless Steel Slide w/ Black Nitride Coating
- Stainless Steel Barrel w/ Black Nitride Coating
- P80® Slide Parts Kit
- P80® Pistol Parts Kit w/ Trigger
- 15 or 17 round Magazine (10 round mags are included for states with restrictions)
- Black Carrying Case
Simply put, here is yet another sequela from a government that has become too large, beached, and bloated. I wish it would do the whale explode thingy.
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Of course it's not going to hold water, but not in court. Getting justice is awfully hard these days, and going against AGs and feds with unlimited budget, it's a game of numbers to them. As long as enough people loose, it's worthwhile tactics.
I think that basis is exactly the result we are seeing, i.e. terrorizing law abiding citizens into never touching that shit. Enough of these cases will cut down on people building. Some people would build no matter what laws are, but they are very small percentage. The main goal is affect enough people to cause this effect of terror. Yeah, ATF are basically domestic terrorists and big part of that strategy is to keep the fog of war as far as their evaluation criteria goes.
Notice how they waited until Biden “won” to start allLooks like things are getting worse
ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits - This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provide additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and are requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.
GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
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Earlier today TFB reported on a story in the Wall Street Journal stating that the ATF had apparently conducted a search warrant at Polymer80 Inc, a company known for producing 80% firearm kits and related parts. These 80% builds, often referred to as “Ghost Guns” by media outlets, presumably because they can be built into firearms without needing to visit an FFL, have long been a topic of debate. This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provided additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.
The reader stated that on the afternoon of December 10, 2020, they were visited by the ATF and were requested to surrender any Polymer80 kits. The ATF took custody of the Buy Build Shoot Kit and provided them with a receipt for the property. In the “Basis for Transfer or Seizure of Items” box, the ATF agent wrote “Polymer80, Inc. Investigation”. The email to TFB stated:
ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
The Polymer80 kit known as the Buy Build Shoot kit comes with all the parts, tools and jigs needed to build a working firearm. Federal law allows for non-prohibited persons to build working firearms for personal use. A serial number is not required unless the individual decides to sell the home-built firearm at a later date. A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required if an individual builds firearm(s) with the intent of offering them for sale. At that point, other regulations like a firearms transaction record may be required as part of federal law.
The basis for the initial raid at Polymer80 and the forfeiture of Polymer80 kits is still unknown. We’ll keep you updated as the story progresses.
View attachment 421832
The Polymer80® Buy Build Shoot™ kit contains all the necessary components to build a complete PF940C™ or PF940v2™ pistol.
Kit Includes:
- PF-Series™ 80% Pistol Frame Kit
- 9mm Complete Slide Assembly
- Stainless Steel Slide w/ Black Nitride Coating
- Stainless Steel Barrel w/ Black Nitride Coating
- P80® Slide Parts Kit
- P80® Pistol Parts Kit w/ Trigger
- 15 or 17 round Magazine (10 round mags are included for states with restrictions)
- Black Carrying Case
This BS. Holy S!
MaverickNH
NES Member
"The ATF previously gave Polymer80 permission to sell unfinished receivers. But the Buy Build Shoot Kits, which are advertised as having “all the necessary components to build a complete...pistol” weren’t submitted to the agency for approval, according to the application for the search warrant. These kits can be “assembled into fully functional firearms in a matter of minutes,” the warrant application says."
www.wsj.com
The ATF’s new "holistic" approach is that individually legal purchased objects can be assembled into an illegal firearm "in minutes". Most take a "couple of hours" to build a gun from a Polymer80 80% casting, once all the parts are acquired. If Polymer80 sent your kit in three shipments a week apart would that be OK ATF? If they left one part out with which it would not function, would that be OK ATF?
It’s coming - sure, you can have an AR15 and 30rd mags but not at the same time or put them together to shoot.
10,000 Ghost-guns recovered in 2019? Impressive, but out of the 1 million plus ATF gun traces, that’s < 1%. Did crime go down? Nope...good job ATF.
Ghost-Gun Company Raided by Federal Agents
ATF agents raided one of the nation’s largest manufacturers of ghost-gun parts, a sign that federal law enforcement is cracking down on kits that allow people to make weapons at home.
www.wsj.com
The ATF’s new "holistic" approach is that individually legal purchased objects can be assembled into an illegal firearm "in minutes". Most take a "couple of hours" to build a gun from a Polymer80 80% casting, once all the parts are acquired. If Polymer80 sent your kit in three shipments a week apart would that be OK ATF? If they left one part out with which it would not function, would that be OK ATF?
It’s coming - sure, you can have an AR15 and 30rd mags but not at the same time or put them together to shoot.
10,000 Ghost-guns recovered in 2019? Impressive, but out of the 1 million plus ATF gun traces, that’s < 1%. Did crime go down? Nope...good job ATF.
MaverickNH
NES Member
While ATF is about guns, all federal bureaucracies are about increasing budget, staff and scope. With Biden in, they just see a means to request more of each to increase their size and power. Most of these people don’t care if they’re seizing small lobsters, fining overweight trucks, etc.
So they need more applications to review to justify more, more, more. Trump starved regulatory agencies for 4 years and they want their tax revenues back.
who are we kidding? The NFA is a "tax" where over $200 you go away for 10 years. 8th amendment? We are so apt at twisting reality, it's no wander our house of cards/lies defies laws of physics.
I don't see that it's the bad apples forcing us anything. It's actually the politicians and electorate who tolerates them, and people these days will tolerate a whole shitload, while majority stays silent.
Chevy 2 65
NES Member
it ain't a search engine at all. it just f***s with you.In all fairness the NES search engine ain’t exactly Google.....thank god!
alan226
NES Member
The Bartley-Fox law has been around since 1975. Mandatory 1 year minimum sentence for illegal firearm possession. I looked but couldn't find the stats (probably by design), but virtually no one has been prosecuted and jailed under this law.
Why??
Because it targeted the actual people that it should. The politicians have no stomach for actually locking up the people that should be locked up....
Why??
Because it targeted the actual people that it should. The politicians have no stomach for actually locking up the people that should be locked up....
The ATF is like any regulatory agency.
If they aren’t making more laws, and putting more “offenders” away, they no longer have anything to do.
When government service becomes a full time job, or even worse, a career, overreach and thus tyranny are imminent.
If they aren’t making more laws, and putting more “offenders” away, they no longer have anything to do.
When government service becomes a full time job, or even worse, a career, overreach and thus tyranny are imminent.
I think this is just a shot across the bow in order to flex their muscles and see what they can get away with. It is also an adept political move that sends signals to the incoming executive branch: "Hey Biden administration! Look, we are on your side! We are ready for the gun grabbing! Once you are sworn in, give us support and money!".
The question is how the hell do we wake up the majority? Or can we? We are like the big dog that avoids the aggressive Chihuahua because it doesn't want its ankles bit, even though it could quickly and permanently end the conflict if it tried.
Maybe someone can explain how the end user (who is not otherwise a prohibited person) is getting dragged into this? It's not like they're buying a suppressor or the like. If there's a beef it's between ATF and P80. "Malicious prosecution" comes to mind.
GM-GUY
NES Member
The said they would get a search warrant if he didn't give up the kit. Meaning they didn't have one, meaning they went to the guys house on a chance? I'm betting they couldn't get one and just lied their way into theft.
DO NOT TALK WITH THE POLICE.
Door Bell Rings, 'Who is it?', 'ATF agents Scum & Tyranny', 'Do you have a warrant?', 'No, But......', 'Have a nice day' (close door)
DO NOT TALK WITH THE POLICE.
Door Bell Rings, 'Who is it?', 'ATF agents Scum & Tyranny', 'Do you have a warrant?', 'No, But......', 'Have a nice day' (close door)
Always get the warrant, its the legal paper trail you use to sue everyone later.
AHM
NES Member
Just wait until Boston takes delivery on their self-cleaning oven.
You know it's only a matter of time.
FTFY.
namedpipes
NES Member
Right. That's exactly why you have to go to trade school, apprentice for seven years and then obtain a general contractors license in order to buy the "All In One Plumber" kit at Home Depot.
(My ire is directed at the maroons at ATF, not at you)
namedpipes
NES Member
Add some stump remover, charcoal and sulfur (not sure if HD carries that last, but Walgreens/Walmart would) to the Homer Bucket and you can even make the powder to run it.
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