ATF Raids Polymer 80

[DispositionMatrix]

The Cornell Review:
[Well Regulated] Polymer80 is just the beginning

The questions on everyone’s mind are “Why is this happening?” and “Why is it happening now?” There are two important legal concepts to layout in order to begin answering the first question: constructive possession and Chevron deference.

<Explanations of each>

Now that the basic structure of how this situation came to be has been explained, the only question is “Why now?”. Although theories abound, there is no definitive answer. Many have speculated that it has to do with Obama-era holdovers within the ATF or the presidential election signaling to the agency that in just over a month Biden will give them free rein to do whatever they want. While the exact timing is likely due to numerous factors, many of which we don’t even know about, the simplest explanation is that it had to happen eventually. There are very few things that governments dislike more than looking stupid and looking weak. Items which allow citizens to achieve functionally identical ends through alternative means demonstrate just how much power the government has in practice and not just through perception. Coincidentally, less than a month ago, a documentary was released by Popular Front featuring the founder of Deterrence Dispensed, an organization specializing in homemade firearms. At the time of writing, the documentary has over 600,000 views, and while many if not most of those are from people already familiar with homemade guns, it served to illustrate the point that if there is a will there is a way. That is something that any government seeking to exercise control over the people fears: that if the people have the will, they will find the way.

 

[mikeyp]

Cross posting with the Pro 2A meme thread

 

[KBCraig]

A lot of us have 03 FFL’s here too. So we can be searched any time. Can’t tell them to F off.

This is incorrect. If an ATF compliance agent shows up at an 03's house, you can very well tell them to F off. Inspection of a CRFFL is limited to once a year, and at the licensee's option (not the ATF's), it can be held at the ATF office instead.

Now, if an ATF enforcement agent shows up and has a warrant, it's a whole other can of worms.

 

[namedpipes]

This is incorrect. If an ATF compliance agent shows up at an 03's house, you can very well tell them to F off. Inspection of a CRFFL is limited to once a year, and at the licensee's option (not the ATF's), it can be held at the ATF office instead.

Now, if an ATF enforcement agent shows up and has a warrant, it's a whole other can of worms.

Showing up at the Boston ATF office (in the Tip O'Neil Federal Building) with a panel truck filled with guns... And them having to let you in with them...

Would be totally worth it.

 

[M125X]

This is incorrect. If an ATF compliance agent shows up at an 03's house, you can very well tell them to F off. Inspection of a CRFFL is limited to once a year, and at the licensee's option (not the ATF's), it can be held at the ATF office instead.

Now, if an ATF enforcement agent shows up and has a warrant, it's a whole other can of worms.

Thank you, I stand corrected.

 

[KBCraig]

Showing up at the Boston ATF office (in the Tip O'Neil Federal Building) with a panel truck filled with guns... And them having to let you in with them...

Would be totally worth it.

That's the right response to a CRFFL audit request: "How am I going to get all these guns into the federal building?"

ATF: "Ummm... just bring your bound book. That's all we need to see."

 

[AHM]

That's the right response to a CRFFL audit request: "How am I going to get all these guns into the federal building?"

ATF: "Ummm... just bring your bound book. That's all we need to see."

Someone already posted that Security Metal Detector/X-Ray Checkpoint video clip
from the Matrix recently, so I'm not gonna bother...

 

[snax]

This appeared in my feed. Didn't read thru posts to see if dupe:

If ATF Comes A Knocking, Only Surrender Your 80% Frame or Receiver Under Protest!

As many in the Firearms Community are aware, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided Polymer80, Inc last week and since then, there is at least one report of a customer…

blog.princelaw.com

...it is important that any individual confronted by ATF regarding this newly minted interpretation, advise the agent that he/she is surrendering the items under protest, that you do not consent to the forfeiture or destruction of your property, and that you require a property receipt from ATF...

 

[JRT]

This appeared in my feed. Didn't read thru posts to see if dupe:

If ATF Comes A Knocking, Only Surrender Your 80% Frame or Receiver Under Protest!

As many in the Firearms Community are aware, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided Polymer80, Inc last week and since then, there is at least one report of a customer…

blog.princelaw.com

Josh Prince is a legend in Pennsylvania gun rights circles. He has consistently pummeled our tyrannical AG in court not only maintaining our rights but winning new ones.

 

[DispositionMatrix]

Josh Prince is a legend in Pennsylvania gun rights circles. He has consistently pummeled our tyrannical AG in court not only maintaining our rights but winning new ones.

Examples?

 

[JRT]

Examples?

I will give you one of each. A recent court case overturned the longstanding legal doctrine allowing police to make contact or search a person known to have a gun. The gun could be concealed, open carried or even brandished. The case stemmed from a man under surveillance who brandished a weapon at a 7-11 and lead to a search and arrest for other crimes. The case was tossed and the new legal precedent was established. Police may not approach you for having a firearm on your person. The assumption has to be that the firearm is legal. The US Supreme Court denied to hear the Commonwealths appeal.

On the preservation of right his group took our tyrannical AG, who makes Maura Healy look like a centrist, to court when he tried to stop the direct sale of 80% lowers in the Commonwealth. The AG without legislative action attempted to change law via a letter or proclamation that 80% pieces of polymer had to be transferred like any other firearm. It stood as law for less than a month and was argued in our commonwealth court and won by Josh Prince’s legal group.

 

[JLopez071]

Does Josh Prince have a brother who is willing to move to Massachusetts?

 

[CrackPot]

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​ Statement to Independent Dealers & Distributors on Buy Build Shoot Kits™ As you may be aware, Polymer80 has just been notified that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) has recently taken the position that Polymer80’s “Buy Build Shoot” Kits constitute, among other things, “firearms” under federal law. Polymer80 has worked responsibly and diligently over this past week to gather pertinent data and assess ATF’s new apparent stance on those kits. Unfortunately, Polymer80 has had only limited information made available to it. Indeed, at times it has seemed that the media has been privy to more information than Polymer80 as to ATF’s activities, views, and decisions. Nevertheless, Polymer80 strongly disagrees with ATF’s stated position and is prepared to take every step necessary and appropriate to address it. While the situation continues to evolve, out of an abundance of caution, Polymer80 has voluntarily suspended all sales and assembly of Buy Build Shoot Kits. Nonetheless, Polymer80 will continue to fight for the lawful sale and distribution of its products and the inalienable rights of its independent dealers and customers. Polymer80 deeply values its relationships with you and looks forward to the continuation and enhancement of the business that we have conducted and will continue to conduct. Dated: Dayton, Nevada December 17, 2020

 

[Spartan65]

They should have put them on super sale. Get the units out the door. “Super sale until they are gone!”

 

[namedpipes]

They should have put them on super sale. Get the units out the door. “Super sale until they are gone!”

Just separate out the kits into the individual products and modify their sales software to divide purchases into separate invoices and ship separately. Just work it out to the same "kit" price.

 

[Spartan65]

Just separate out the kits into the individual products and modify their sales software to divide purchases into separate invoices and ship separately. Just work it out to the same "kit" price.

 

[AHM]

They should have put them on super sale. Get the units out the door. “Super sale until they are gone!”

"2020: the year with two Black Fridays".

 

[Rick1987]

They should have put them on super sale. Get the units out the door. “Super sale until they are gone!”

I was looking for one of these kits a couple months ago.
They've been out of stock of almost everything on their site.

 

[jkelly1229]

You know how this ends? When someone blows the ATF agents brains all over the front porch.

Well manufacturers probably aren't going to start shooting...

 

[jkelly1229]

I f***ed it up during finishing.

Prove me wrong.

I mean... as someone who did just do that lol its much much easier than you think

 

[jkelly1229]

I was looking for one of these kits a couple months ago.
They've been out of stock of almost everything on their site.

Jsdsupply.com


Get a new recoil spring assembly though