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"active shooter" situation reported at Colorado HS
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Excuse me officer, I know youre hunting for the animal that just killed a bunch of people but I dont "feel" like raising my arms. It affects my self esteem, and makes my arms tired. I promise Im not an accomplice, and I don't have any guns or bombs. Is it ok if I just keep my hands in my pockets. Thanks'much. :screwy:
Best yahoo comment...
"how about a room at the entrance of all schools with weapons detectors, then if someone doesn't have a weapon they can go in. If they have one, the room seals and releases some knockout gas to keep that person there until the police get there."
(paraphrased)
the same guy suggested clear backpacks
"how about a room at the entrance of all schools with weapons detectors, then if someone doesn't have a weapon they can go in. If they have one, the room seals and releases some knockout gas to keep that person there until the police get there."
(paraphrased)
the same guy suggested clear backpacks
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The FBI is probably there because 0bama & Holder or maybe even since Columbine (I don't know) put 'School Shootings' under the Federal Crime Statutes hence the FBI.
Suicide by shotgun - that will leave a mark.
Suicide by shotgun - that will leave a mark.
Killing yourself with a shotgun, damn.
glad the victims will be ok.
glad the victims will be ok.
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"I don't consent to any searches" keep walking.
then when stopped, "I don't consent to any searches. Am I being detained or am I free to go?"
cop: "bark bark bark woof woof woof"
kid "am I being detained or am I free to go?"
Repeat as many times as necessary.
Really has nothing to do with self esteem as much as it does human dignity. Someone was shot. Ok well not by me so IDGAF. Go look for them and leave me the F alone.
Yeah...go ahead and let us know how that works out for you. Be sure to have plenty of bail money handy because YOU WILL GO TO JAIL. Granted, there is no legal reason aside from "disorderly conduct", but it will happen.
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Ill supply the gas.
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jail for what? I didn't say to physically resist.
Are you really that much of a pushover?
Bail for disorderly conduct is like under a hundred bucks. and that charge would be quickly dismissed at court if it even got that far. And I'd pay for a lawyer as necessary, both to sue them for an illegal search and to defend against any horseshit disorderly conduct charge. But I guess I just think my rights are worth standing up for.
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At the least a facefull of dirt for being an oppositionist douchebag for no good reason. DUI checkpoint? I'm with you all day long. Police clearing an active shooter scene...not so much.
How would you feel about the Constitutionalist who decides to assert himself while there is a gunman at YOUR child's school?
How would you feel about the Constitutionalist who decides to assert himself while there is a gunman at YOUR child's school?
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I'd be fine with it. I'm not a boot licker though.
And after the face full of dirt I'd simply file a lawsuit. All those witnesses to testify that the search was blatantly illegal. Politely informing the MRAP driving goons that there's no consent resulting in an assault. I'll take those odds.
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Feel free to PM me with your particular response to any type of incident like this. I'm not trolling. I'd really like to hear how you resolve fairly complex problems like we are having in society (your solution can be completely devoid of government agents. I'm fine with that) while balancing constitutional rights, and general public order (if you even think founding fathers cared about anything other than the individual).
[SIZE=-1]I think the student body, being forced to walk the line[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1], hands on heads,[/SIZE] and do as commanded, by gauntlets of swat teams with full body armor and dozens of AR's poised and ready is a bit much to put hundreds of kids through in order to get them out of the building.
None of these kids did anything wrong but apparently protocol requires they be treated like violent dangerous suspects until they can be proven otherwise by pat downs.
Does "safety of the emergency responders "trump everything now?[/SIZE] Seems like people are buying this more and more. How is this ok?
None of these kids did anything wrong but apparently protocol requires they be treated like violent dangerous suspects until they can be proven otherwise by pat downs.
Does "safety of the emergency responders "trump everything now?[/SIZE] Seems like people are buying this more and more. How is this ok?
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"VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE...
A disturbed student shoots up his classroom -- and suddenly a wave of mass murder is sweeping through our nation's schools. A young child is taken from her home -- and for months afterward child abductions are frantically reported on an almost daily basis. A surfer is attacked by a shark -- and the public spends an entire summer fearing an onslaught of the deadly underwater predators. Why do the terrible events we see in the media always seem to lead to more of the same?
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From recognizing the emerging patterns of the Copycat Effect, to how we can deal with and counteract its consequences as individuals and as a culture, Loren Coleman has uncovered a tragic flaw of the information age -- a flaw which must be corrected before the next ripples of violence spread."
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Time to arrest, indict, prosecute and convict the Liberal News Media of Mass Murder...
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+1 There is no question in my mind that media is complicit in these things. It's like a bunch of eight year old kids going "looky looky here!", 24 hour coverage of pictures of an empty building, breathless interviews with "experts", milking a scene of violence for everything it is worth. If it bleeds it leads.
So what about the accomplice who hides in the crowd with a pipe bomb, or homemade grenade? These things DO happen, just because they haven't happened here yet, doesn't mean its outside the realm of possibility.
Gripers are all the same, you cant win.
"I'll sue if I'm searched against my will"
AND
"I'll sue because little Johnny was blown up because the police didn't take every precaution"
Have a plan, not a reaction. You want to be the one on TV scratching his head and saying "Ummmm well we didn't think of THAT"
Id be willing to be that its school policy, as opposed to the police. Im sure that policy was influenced by police as well. The kids aren't thinking about their rights at that moment, theyre thinking about getting out of the school. Later on when they see the footage Im sure they will ask themselves wtf did they have to put their hands up for. Id also be curious as to how others here would handle this if they had the reigns.
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