I KNOW that students have been prosecuted for possession of OC on campus at BC, and from what my source (BC PD) told me, he has successfully prevailed in court (convictions) a number of times.
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But then again maybe I'm just still too young and naive .
What about the Cape Cod National Seashore? it is under the Park Service. Is is treated like a National Forest? only buildings off limits?
I'll preface this by saying, I used to be a seasonal NPS law enforcement ranger. ...
...Do not ask a ranger what you should do with your firearm as the NRA suggests, you will have your firearm confiscated and you will be cited. ...
...The national park service is very anti-gun, don’t give them the opportunity to get you in trouble. ...
I KNOW that students have been prosecuted for possession of OC on campus at BC, and from what my source (BC PD) told me, he has successfully prevailed in court (convictions) a number of times.
OK, here's another example of where I'm not sure what the law really is. I was in Ashburnham (MA) hiking up Mt. Watatic. Near the top (on the way down) I saw a sign saying that it is "unlawful to possess" firearms. It said a few other things too but I didn't think to take a picture of the sign so I could quote the rest of it. The sign is apparently referring to the area that's between the parking lot on Rt 119 and ends just short of the twin peaks of Mt. Watatic (which is where I saw the sign). I somehow missed the signs on the way up but they were probably there.
So.... illegal to carry there or not?
See MGL S269 CH10:
(j) Whoever, not being a law enforcement officer, and notwithstanding any license obtained by him under the provisions of chapter one hundred and forty, carries on his person a firearm as hereinafter defined, loaded or unloaded or other dangerous weapon in any building or on the grounds of any elementary or secondary school, college or university without the written authorization of the board or officer in charge of such elementary or secondary school, college or university shall be punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. For the purpose of this paragraph, "firearm'' shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged by whatever means.
How are the terms "elementary or secondary school, college or university" defined? I work in a building where there is a company that offers computer training labs for hire (companies rent out these rooms, load their software, and do training classes); sometimes I teach classes there for my company. Am I prohibited from carrying there under 269 MGL 10(j)? How can I find out how they are classified?
How are the terms "elementary or secondary school, college or university" defined?
I work in a building where there is a company that offers computer training labs for hire (companies rent out these rooms, load their software, and do training classes); sometimes I teach classes there for my company. Am I prohibited from carrying there under 269 MGL 10(j)? How can I find out how they are classified?
If a university owns the property, I"d be wary of carrying there.
Well, in those situations, you'd hope that the PD doesn't know either, I guess.
Problem is, in many cases you won't know. Go visit one of the biotech companies on Sydney Street in Cambridge, or the Star Market there. All that land is owned by MIT.
Go to Legal Seafoods in Kendall Square. That entire complex is on MIT land.
Problem is, in many cases you won't know. Go visit one of the biotech companies on Sydney Street in Cambridge, or the Star Market there. All that land is owned by MIT.
Go to Legal Seafoods in Kendall Square. That entire complex is on MIT land.
If a university owns the property, I"d be wary of carrying there. OTOH, ijw's scenario wouldn't appear to be a school. Mere training shouldn't constitute a school (otherwise, wouldn't half our gun clubs be schools?)
Problem is, in many cases you won't know. Go visit one of the biotech companies on Sydney Street in Cambridge, or the Star Market there. All that land is owned by MIT.
Go to Legal Seafoods in Kendall Square. That entire complex is on MIT land.
Incorrect. The procedure you describe is used for knives. Guns are checked at the state police desk where they have 4 pistol lockers in the drawer on the left side of the trooper's desk, and a logbook that is signed when you check a weapon and take the key to the locker you used. Treatment of civilian visitors is polite and professional.Also, add Ashburton Place to the list. They have no storage facilities either, aside from the putting items on top of the metal detector with the word of the guard as your receipt.
Look up Charles Whitman on Google and you'll see what motivated that law!
Incorrect. The procedure you describe is used for knives. Guns are checked at the state police desk where they have 4 pistol lockers in the drawer on the left side of the trooper's desk, and a logbook that is signed when you check a weapon and take the key to the locker you used. Treatment of civilian visitors is polite and professional.
I've read this whole thread with great interest. You know, it's only going to take one incident, i.e.: a BG comes into a "gun restricted" place and threatens or starts shooting. Then a licensed ccw individual pulls out his gun and stops him cold. I would think, at that point, the lawmakers would have to change back to a more common sense approach to this whole matter. On the other hand, they would probably just convict the GG and say, "...see, carrying guns is bad!" Don't forget, this is MA!
She gave you good advice.
I've read this whole thread with great interest. You know, it's only going to take one incident, i.e.: a BG comes into a "gun restricted" place and threatens or starts shooting. Then a licensed ccw individual pulls out his gun and stops him cold. I would think, at that point, the lawmakers would have to change back to a more common sense approach to this whole matter. On the other hand, they would probably just convict the GG and say, "...see, carrying guns is bad!" Don't forget, this is MA!
No, you are dealing with people who literally think they care about your life, but they don't. They care about being there to save the day, and getting credited for it. They do not want to hear about how some citizen had to shoot a 3 time offender who just got out. They truly believe that because you haven't gone to the po-po academy, you can't possible make an intelligent decision with a firearm.
Figured I'd point out my findings for concealed carry at Fenway.