I hate the fact they bowed to the gun ban in the early 90's. Stopped selling rifles to civilians. Screw them
Yup, after Colt stopped selling to us because they had all those Fat Government Contracts, I vowed never to OWN a Colt!!!
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I hate the fact they bowed to the gun ban in the early 90's. Stopped selling rifles to civilians. Screw them
1911's didn't stop selling to the public.
Well, when I went into the Marine Corps homosexuality was still a dis qualifier, and you were asked. I will grant you that there have always been gay men and women in the military, but they enlisted fraudulently. However, to your point, when I have visited my fathers grave in Bourne or my brothers in Sarasota, I have never once given a single thought to the percentage of gay people interred, because it does not matter to me, but obviously it does to you.
Now, you may not appreciate my suggestion that a guy that drives a Prius and eats tofu, might be gay, but truth be told, the chances are better than average. I also understand that your post was an attempt to make me feel guilty for my comment or ashamed of myself for not being more sympathetic towards gay men, and had nothing to do with the military, but I am not.
Some people were raised to believe that homosexuality is a sin and unnatural, and to try to make us, not just accept it, but condone it, is far more offensive than a Prius joke. I hope when you visit Arlington you don't feel the same level of contempt for those of us who were raised this way. You know, the other 93% of us.
…why?Fascinating. fencer, who/what were the influencers during your upbringing that affected you in the manner you report? Be specific.
I would argue you should have a ruger no1 on your list.Guys that love the guns I listed.
Did you notice there was not a Glock or Ruger on the list?
I would argue you should have a ruger no1 on your list.
What I hate about the Colt 1911 is the owners who think they are the be all end all in pistols.
I think the "1911 is the best pistol ever" crowd is less about the 1911 and more about how gun information was spread back in the day.
Let's say it's 1990. You're shopping for a new handgun. Where are you going to get information?
Probably not the internet unless you're super cutting edge at the time, and gun guys tend to not be super cutting edge when it comes to tech (yeah there's the IT/engineer gun guys but that's a specific niche). And probably not TV because the concept of unsponsored, unpaid, direct reviews of guns on TV didn't yet exist like it now does on YouTube.
That leaves:
(1) Dead tree media, like American Rifleman, which is paid advertising;
(2) The gun club and competitive shooting;
(3) The gun store;
(4) Friends and family; and
(5) Military experience.
If you're relying on 1-4, you'd probably get a lot of stuff that sounds like "the 1911 is the best pistol ever" by Jeff Cooper, and "GREATEST BATTLE IMPLEMENT EVER DEVISED" about the M1 from CMP/GCA sources, and "the deadliest mushrooms in the forest" about Remington Core Lokt.
Meanwhile, at the same time, I know vets who saw some really abused and nasty 1911s towards the end of its service life. On the flip side, a vet who used a nicer 1911 in say WW2 or Korea or Vietnam or peacetime service would probably have a much more positive view of it.
I think most people under 40 these days don't tend to idealize specific guns as much because information is out there that allows for more informed decisions and much different choices. Want a $400 pistol from Slovenia without any mainstream distribution in the US? No problem, I have one. Want the latest news about gun developments? No problem, all that's available online. Want to get a gun not available locally at the gun shop? Easy.
That, and people have more disposable income these days. If all you can afford are a couple rifles, a shotgun, and a handgun, you're probably going to fixate more on what you have. Same's true today - newer gun owners who haven't bought many guns don't have the experience to objectively view their buys, usually. If you give someone who never owned or shot a handgun before a Glock, they'd be using that Glock as their benchmark for what a good handgun is because that's all they know.
Edit: oh and movies. Movies were a lot more effective for gun advertising back before the internet. The Dirty Harry movies drove up sales of the S&W M29. I can't see that happening today. Imagine a cop show where the cop talks up his new S&W .30 Super Carry. Probably won't move the needle that much. With 1911s, there were tons of famous war movies that had 1911s - A Bridge Too Far is a good example.
Well said, and that's why JMB'S 1911 Jam-o-Matic is the most over-rated handgun in history.I think the "1911 is the best pistol ever" crowd is less about the 1911 and more about how gun information was spread back in the day.
Let's say it's 1990. You're shopping for a new handgun. Where are you going to get information?
Probably not the internet unless you're super cutting edge at the time, and gun guys tend to not be super cutting edge when it comes to tech (yeah there's the IT/engineer gun guys but that's a specific niche). And probably not TV because the concept of unsponsored, unpaid, direct reviews of guns on TV didn't yet exist like it now does on YouTube.
That leaves:
(1) Dead tree media, like American Rifleman, which is paid advertising;
(2) The gun club and competitive shooting;
(3) The gun store;
(4) Friends and family; and
(5) Military experience.
If you're relying on 1-4, you'd probably get a lot of stuff that sounds like "the 1911 is the best pistol ever" by Jeff Cooper, and "GREATEST BATTLE IMPLEMENT EVER DEVISED" about the M1 from CMP/GCA sources, and "the deadliest mushrooms in the forest" about Remington Core Lokt.
Meanwhile, at the same time, I know vets who saw some really abused and nasty 1911s towards the end of its service life. On the flip side, a vet who used a nicer 1911 in say WW2 or Korea or Vietnam or peacetime service would probably have a much more positive view of it.
I think most people under 40 these days don't tend to idealize specific guns as much because information is out there that allows for more informed decisions and much different choices. Want a $400 pistol from Slovenia without any mainstream distribution in the US? No problem, I have one. Want the latest news about gun developments? No problem, all that's available online. Want to get a gun not available locally at the gun shop? Easy.
That, and people have more disposable income these days. If all you can afford are a couple rifles, a shotgun, and a handgun, you're probably going to fixate more on what you have. Same's true today - newer gun owners who haven't bought many guns don't have the experience to objectively view their buys, usually. If you give someone who never owned or shot a handgun before a Glock, they'd be using that Glock as their benchmark for what a good handgun is because that's all they know.
Edit: oh and movies. Movies were a lot more effective for gun advertising back before the internet. The Dirty Harry movies drove up sales of the S&W M29. I can't see that happening today. Imagine a cop show where the cop talks up his new S&W .30 Super Carry. Probably won't move the needle that much. With 1911s, there were tons of famous war movies that had 1911s - A Bridge Too Far is a good example.
What do you expect? The army is keenly interested in equipment that does not fail in a middle of a battle. Yet, it took them 60 years to replace 1911. I suspect the "halo" around 1911's among civvies will wane in another 20 years...A century of propaganda fuels the current adoration of the 1911 Jam-o-Matic, and the lovefest shows no signs of slowing down.
My guess is that you prefer IKEA over antique Mission style oak furniture?Well said, and that's why JMB'S 1911 Jam-o-Matic is the most over-rated handgun in history.
A century of propaganda fuels the current adoration of the 1911 Jam-o-Matic, and the lovefest shows no signs of slowing down.
1911 fanbois are like climate change whackos -- fiercely committed to their religion -- as evidenced by fanatical worship of its gods and idols (JMB, Cooper, et al) -- and profoundly averse to arguments rooted in critical thinking.
But that's how the zealouts were raised.
Looks like the 1911-apologist canard about the "break-in period" doesn't apply here.My S&W E-series has never jammed. My Gen 5 Glock 17 I bought with 500 rounds through it jammed on my first range trip. I couldn't even get the slide to budge. Had to fix it at home. THOSE DAMN JAM-O-MATIC GLOCKS!
This plasticgun slide didn't budge either :View attachment 594640
If you want to psycho-analyze me, send a PM. Otherwise, get bent.My guess is that you prefer IKEA over antique Mission style oak furniture?
Kinda touchy? Show us on the doll where the 1911 touched you. Actually, my analogy was comparing a well constructed, heavy, piece, built by real craftsmen, compares to a modern cheezy piece of crap? Glock fanboys seem to get their panties in a bunch awful easily.If you want to psycho-analyze me, send a PM. Otherwise, get bent.
Kinda touchy? Show us on the doll where the 1911 touched you. Actually, my analogy was comparing a well constructed, heavy, piece, built by real craftsmen, compares to a modern cheezy piece of crap? Glock fanboys seem to get their panties in a bunch awful easily.
Yeah, those guys who worked at the Colt factory in the mid-1970s when I bought my first Jam-o-Matic were real "craftsmen."Kinda touchy? Show us on the doll where the 1911 touched you. Actually, my analogy was comparing a well constructed, heavy, piece, built by real craftsmen, compares to a modern cheezy piece of crap? Glock fanboys seem to get their panties in a bunch awful easily.
Your comments about Harleys is spot on.It appears that half of the reasons for 1911 greatness is the fact that it is metal(see fake Glock hand picture above). This is not a unique feature of 1911. There are modern metal guns with far better reliability. Heck, even M9/Beretta92 has a better reliability record. Metal CZ 75 series are way more reliable too.
As to why 1911 is still popular:
Let's face it, 1911 is like Harley Davidson: it USED to be a racing bike but today, with far more powerful and far more reliable motorcycles, HD has become a poser bike and a status symbol. Dentists and old people who remember days when Harley was "modern", buy $40,000 Harleys so they can dress up in leathers and pretend for a week in spring that they're bad-ass bikers.
It appears that half of the reasons for 1911 greatness is the fact that it is metal(see fake Glock hand picture above). This is not a unique feature of 1911.
There are modern metal guns with far better reliability. Heck, even M9/Beretta92 has a better reliability record. Metal CZ 75 series are way more reliable too.
As to why 1911 is still popular:
Let's face it, 1911 is like Harley Davidson: it USED to be a racing bike but today, with far more powerful and far more reliable motorcycles, HD has become a poser bike and a status symbol. Dentists and old people who remember days when Harley was "modern", buy $40,000 Harleys so they can dress up in leathers and pretend for a week in spring that they're bad-ass bikers.
I purchased a Colt Combat Commander series 80 back in 1984 and I owned it for 9 years but no matter how much I spend or what I had done to the pistol it was never 100% reliable. Yes, I brought t to La Roccas gun works but nothing he did would make that pistol 100% reliable. I have tried every kind of ammo that was being made including reloads but the best I was able to get was around 90% reliable. Since I sold it I never bought another .45 of any type or brand. I think I'll stick with my Glock and H&K.
I feel your pain.I purchased a Colt Combat Commander series 80 back in 1984 and I owned it for 9 years but no matter how much I spend or what I had done to the pistol it was never 100% reliable. Yes, I brought t to La Roccas gun works but nothing he did would make that pistol 100% reliable. I have tried every kind of ammo that was being made including reloads but the best I was able to get was around 90% reliable. Since I sold it I never bought another .45 of any type or brand. I think I'll stick with my Glock and H&K.
Why are you asking questions that you already know the answer to?Fascinating. fencer, who/what were the influencers during your upbringing that affected you in the manner you report? Be specific.
This guy.I feel your pain.
Did any 1911 sodomites ever suggest your malfunctions were the result of limp wristing? That's a common denial mechanism that's often bandied about in Jam-o-Matic self-help and group therapy circles.
Also, I agree that the Sig 220 is a trustworthy gun. Long ago I had one sold under the Browning BDA label. It cycled everything under the sun and was highly accurate.
This guy.
I find all of this pretty hilarious, but I have a feeling that moderation is imminent. Lighten up Francis.
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Another thought on why 1911 is still around is the fact that they work very well for some. While most here seem to think their 1911's are unreliable, my 1911 from S&W is hella reliable even though I appear to be in a minority. Most S&W 1911 owners don't like 'em.
Another thought on why 1911 is still around is the fact that they work very well for some. While most here seem to think their 1911's are unreliable, my 1911 from S&W is hella reliable even though I appear to be in a minority. Most S&W 1911 owners don't like 'em.
I also think there is something to the "gun fits person" theory. I have a very gucci Glock 19: custom barrel, slide, Timney trigger, fancy sights, etc. That thing is super reliable. I could spend a day doing nothing but dump mags and I'm sure it will keep on ticking. My friend hates that Glock! He can't get through two mags without the thing jamming!