we've probably hashed this to death

[M1911]

Per Lucky Gunner tests:

• 9mm 124gr +P HST expands to 0.66" diameter. That's an area of 0.3421"
• .45acp 230gr HST expands to 0.85" diameter. That's an area of 0.5675"

I fail to see how a hole that's 65% larger isn't objectively better. No, it's not a death ray or a rifle round or anything but a bigger hole should cause faster blood loss and have a slightly higher chance of nicking a major organ or part of the CNS.

I'll say again: that's the only advantage of the .45acp - everything else goes to the 9mm to some degree.

Because in real world shootings that difference in size has proved to have negligible effect.

 

[kalash]

Because in real world shootings that difference in size has proved to have negligible effect.

Source?

 

[Animal357]

Because in real world shootings that difference in size has proved to have negligible effect.

I call BS. Proof?

 

[M1911]

Work by Fackler and Gary Roberts. Not easy to find, however.

 

[Picton]

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The memes from this thread wrote themselves.

I'm impressed nobody's brought up the Thompson-LaGarde Tests yet.

 

[kerryman71]

In Mass I like the HK45 with its 10 round mag. I have one in the bedroom safe.

Very nice firearm. I have one on my hip.

 

[kalash]

Work by Fackler and Gary Roberts. Not easy to find, however.

Fackler was President of the International Wound Ballistics Association but it was dissolved in 2001, a year before HST came on the market. Most of his research appears to be from the 90s. I'll look into Roberts later.

I'm impressed nobody's brought up the Thompson-LaGarde Tests yet.

Those were done a century before HST was invented

 

[drgrant]

I'm impressed nobody's brought up the Thompson-LaGarde Tests yet.

Strasbourg goat tests???

 

[Fritz the Cat]

The 9mm is a faster round. It has a greater variety of projectiles. You can buy it in bulk, milsurp, costs less to train with, and is easier to shoot when training all afternoon.
That is why I carry a .45

 

[AllaSnackbah]

- LE overwhelmingly carries 9mm nationally.

- The FBI spends millions testing ammunition in labs. Carries 9mm.

- Military, 9mm

- Thousands of people in the US die to 9mm yearly.

- Competition shooters, instructors, experts, overwhelmingly prefer 9mm

- 1911's made in 9mm




.45 Boomers on NES:


You're not f***ing special and 45 is gay.

 

[kalash]

But Snacks, what about the almighty .40 and the saint .357sig?!?!

 

[pinefd]

Has anyone already mentioned that supposedly 9mm can blow a lung out of a person? You don't hear anybody making that claim about .45!


Frank

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Military, 9mm

But they don't want it

Army Wants a Harder-Hitting Pistol

The U.S. Army wants to replace its Cold War-era M9 9mm pistol with a more powerful handgun.

www.military.com

LE overwhelmingly carries 9mm nationally.

Because that is all most officers can qualify with

The FBI spends millions testing ammunition in labs. Carries 9mm.

Because thier agents can't handle .40

Competition shooters, instructors, experts, overwhelmingly prefer 9mm

Because it is a target round

Thousands of people in the US die to 9mm yearly

The, leading cause of firearm death is suicide, and the most popular choice of cartridge is 22LR

 

[Animal357]

What is popular is not necessarily best

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Lmao. Ok boomers.

 

[Animal357]

Lmao. Ok boomers.

That’s a great way to say that you have no respect for generations that have far greater knowledge and experience than you. Your loss.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

That’s a great way to say that you have no respect for generations that has far greater knowledge and experience than you. Your loss.

Not really. But Im also a better shooter than you.

 

[Animal357]

Not really. But Im also a better shooter than you.

That’s precious. You may want to learn punctuation first.

 

[silversquirrel]

That’s a great way to say that you have no respect for generations that has far greater knowledge and experience than you. Your loss.

Can you diagram this sentence, please?

 

[Supermoto]

That’s a great way to say that you have no respect for generations that have far greater knowledge and experience than you. Your loss.

 

[drgrant]

Has anyone already mentioned that supposedly 9mm can blow a lung out of a person? You don't hear anybody making that claim about .45!


Frank

Two world wars

Plus also

It takes out tanks and stuka dive bombers if launched from a 1911.

 

[drgrant]

Can you diagram this sentence, please?

" Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? "

 

[drgrant]

Not really. But Im also a better shooter than you.

$1000 on snacks pls.

I have provided theme music:


View: https://youtu.be/-14W5XTqL5U?si=PtfOUMJl3J7ulkZC

 

[Fritz the Cat]

45 ACP has better memes

 

[Agnotology]

That sounds great, but there is no data to back that up.

The thing is, if you are limited to 10+1, 9mm fits in a much smaller, easier to carry gun than 45 ACP. My 10+1 43x is much easier carry than my 8+1 1911s.

Super late reply, but where's the love for 1911's in 9mm?

 

[Rob Boudrie]

- Competition shooters, instructors, experts, overwhelmingly prefer 9mm

Irrelevant to suitability for self defense, as competition shooters choose the caliber/load that offers the best scoring performance for the event/division they are competing in. In each case the 9 vs 40 choice by a competition shooter has nothing to do with the relative defensive performance of the caliber.

 

[Surfecho]

I like the saying that a 9mm will kill your body but a .45 will kill your soul

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I like the saying that a 9mm will kill your body but a .45 will kill your soul

Sacred bullet of Azarel?

 

[Picton]

But Snacks, what about the almighty .40 and the saint .357sig?!?!

Any minute now, someone's going to roll up in here singing the praises of .45GAP.

45 ACP has better memes

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So I'm only going to be That Guy because your post was specifically about .45 memes. In that spirit, I MUST point out that Jules is famously using a 9mm Star Model B in Pulp Fiction.

He also fires a lot more than twice.

*nerd mode off*

 

[pinefd]

Any minute now, someone's going to roll up in here singing the praises of .45GAP.

I'm kinda partial to 45 Long Colt, myself.


Frank