Suffolk DA calls for tighter firearms laws

[Admin]

I'm willing to bet you won't be banned if you express yourself.

You're right. But I'm not the "Do as I say, not as I do" liberal type.

 

[Admin]

For those who would shoot the LEOs that would come to confiscate your firearms because of an unconstitutional law:
1. Why wouldn't you start killing the legislators/President/Governor who created and signed the unconstitutional law and justices who upheld it first?
2. Where were you in 1998 when gun owners rights were further eroded thereby infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights by the legislators in this state? Did you try and kill them then? If not, why?

Jon,

What would you and other LEO's in your department do if Deval said "Go confiscate all weapons..."

 

[Bandit]

Send a comment to the NRA here: https://www.nrahq.org/contact.asp

Send a letter about this to the NRA here:
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

Tell the NRA in your communication that we need help now. Tell your friends about this and ask them to call their representatives (for what it is worth). We can not afford to let registration/confiscation even be discussed. If we wait and fight it in court, it will be too late. Do it now.

I believe We did just that as individuals and Groups when Chapter. 140 of the acts of 1998 was first proposed.
I know for a fact that the Mass. Sportsmen's Council , the Clubs and the League I belong to did just that , plus donated money to fight it. ( avg $ 1,000. per club ) .
Where was the NRA in that fight ?
Bob
Yes I am a member of both NRA & GOAL

 

[calsdad]

There will come a time because he chooses not to enforce the drug issue that public safety will be compromised. Just because he opts not to enforce the drug laws doesn't make it right that he's not.

Actually if you have ever read Vin Suprynowicz what this sheriff is doing is exactly right. I have never taken drugs in my life - not once - and before a couple of years ago if somebody was to say to me that drugs should be outlawed I would totally go along with it. However the more I read and more I learn about what the goverments war on drugs has done to this country the more I agree with the libertarians that drugs out to be legalized. Drugs were once legal in this country - all of them. Was the United States a raging madhouse? No. Look what happened to this country during prohibition - the war against drugs is doing the same thing to us now. It is not the drugs that are destroying this country - it is the goverment's war against them - and us as citizens - that is destroying this country.

When 25% of black males are in prison or have been to prison - mostly for drug offenses - when the US has the highest per capita prison population in the world - mostly for drug offenses, when even small towns have SWAT teams ready to kick in your doors looking for drugs, that you would have consumed in the privacy of your living room and not harmed anybody but yourself - there is something seriously wrong with our country.

The precedents set by the goverment during the drug war affect every piece of our society. The fact that police will break down your door in the middle of the night looking for a marijuana plant is the height of ridiculousness if you really think about it. Just wait to see what happens when they get around to confiscating the guns.

 

[Lugnut]

What about the recent article in the American Rifleman where FBI crime data shows that since 1991 there are 70 Million more guns in our nation yet the violent crime rate is 38% lower? Why doesn't it surprise me that these freaks don't want the public to hear these stories? A-holes!

 

[Kurtz]

Whenever I hear somone on a forum like this say "You just come and try to take them, you'll get more than you bargained for.", I wonder if they are really thinking about what they're saying. Lots of folks on here are LEOs. Many of us have LEO friends or relatives. My son is a cop. There is no way I am going to shoot sombody coming to my door, and I doubt very much that any other sensible people are suggesting you do that.

We have to work to fight the new laws, not the people who might have to enforce them. Get some more money to GOAL and to the NRA/ILA.

Write letters, send e mails, talk to your neighbors. I don't like what I'm hearing either, but the fight is with the politicians and will be won by voting, not shooting.

I disagree, we've been trying that for decades, things will never get better here. It's time to reach out in one voice and say bite me! Conley I got your registration hanging!

 

[JonJ]

Jon,

What would you and other LEO's in your department do if Deval said "Go confiscate all weapons..."

I think you know me well enough to know the answer to that. As for the others, I can't speak for them but have to believe that the vast majority would be on the "right" side.

 

[Admin]

I think you know me well enough to know the answer to that. As for the others, I can't speak for them but have to believe that the vast majority would be on the "right" side.

My point exactly Jon. You are one of the MANY good guys. The NOLA PD was nothing but a corrupt bunch of wannabe hacks. Thus the soon to be new law preventing this type of BS.

That being said I think this type of "Confiscation" thing would only happen in large sheeple type departments where corruption is rampant.

If thugs were raping and shooting everything up in Fitchburg and a Fitchburg LEO came to take my guns, he would have two options...

1. Leaving
2. Leaving zipped up...

 

[Lugnut]

When 25% of black males are in prison or have been to prison - mostly for drug offenses - when the US has the highest per capita prison population in the world - mostly for drug offenses, when even small towns have SWAT teams ready to kick in your doors looking for drugs, that you would have consumed in the privacy of your living room and not harmed anybody but yourself - there is something seriously wrong with our country.

Honestly... I have to respectfully disagree entirely. I'm hard pressed to see how legalizing drugs is the right direction for our country. A better question might be why do so many depend on drugs?

 

[Kurtz]

If this bill passes they can't come and take'em

http://www.gunlawnews.org/House-Bills/hr5013.html

(1) seizing or authorizing seizure of any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under federal or state law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation; (

And if they make them prohibited under state law?

 

[Lugnut]

My point exactly Jon. You are one of the MANY good guys. The NOLA PD was nothing but a corrupt bunch of wannabe hacks. Thus the soon to be new law preventing this type of BS.

That being said I think this type of "Confiscation" thing would only happen in large sheeple type departments where corruption is rampant.

If thugs were raping and shooting everything up in Fitchburg and a Fitchburg LEO came to take my guns, he would have two options...

1. Leaving
2. Leaving zipped up...

It's clear to me.. the people with power and influence- whether they are the local PD or politicians- are the only ones in their eyes that should keep control and power. It's scary when you think about it this way but it's true.

 

[Admin]

It's clear to me.. the people with power and influence- whether they are the local PD or politicians- are the only ones in their eyes that should keep control and power. It's scary when you think about it this way but it's true.

I agree with you Lugnut.

 

[Kurtz]

I think you know me well enough to know the answer to that. As for the others, I can't speak for them but have to believe that the vast majority would be on the "right" side.

The Falmouth Chief would get off on this bill, he'd get a woody out to Nebraska.

 

[Scrivener]

They also hung [sic] John Brown, who was literally trying to free people from slavery.

At a time when slavery was legal, by violent means, including a servile insurrection morphing into guerilla war.

Note also that his attack:

1. Was on a FEDERAL facility; and

2. Killed a FREE BLACK as its first victim.

On those facts, hanging works for me.

Oh - and for all you who think Mao said it first, here is the ORIGINAL version:

There is more moral suasion in a Sharps rifle than in a case of bibles.

This from the REVEREND Henry Ward Beecher, brother of Harriet Beecher Stowe (and I trust you know who SHE is!). Beecher was one of many New England luminaries who raised funds to ARM Brown (a complete failure at everything he tried) and otherwise aid and abet his lunacy.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

For those who would shoot the LEOs that would come to confiscate your firearms because of an unconstitutional law:
1. Why wouldn't you start killing the legislators/President/Governor who created and signed the unconstitutional law and justices who upheld it first?
2. Where were you in 1998 when gun owners rights were further eroded thereby infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights by the legislators in this state? Did you try and kill them then? If not, why?

As I posted previously.....if the above think that their lives will be worth a bent nickel if it comes to "gun confiscation" in this state or country they are deluded. Those who are most exposed will likely be the first targeted, thats the LEOs who choose to take the wrong side of the issue and enforce bad laws. Its their choice and they'll be the ones who suffer first and the most until they realize that its just not worth it. Don't ever kid yourself into thinking that anyone is invulnerable. Slow steady attrition is very demoralizing. Just look at what a minority of insurgents are doing to the country of Iraq. They have the demo rats in this country so mentally f***ed up they don't know whether to shit or go blind.

As for 1998, I was marching at the head of the line and calling cadence for the other 4999 people at the State House and Boston Common. Evidently those measures failed. If they (the foolish anti rights morons) keep pushing their agenda, things will change....you can count on it.
For every one person like me who isn't afraid to express their views or defend their rights there are ten others who will step up when push comes to shove. I used to think that I would be dead and buried before seeing another civil war in this country but that thought has been thoroughly removed as of late. This country is as divided as it was during the previous civil war, if not more so, on more issues with a hell of a lot more players in the game. We are headed down a rough road in the near future and people had better be choosing their respective sides carefully.....their very lives may depend on it.

 

[drgrant]

They failed and had their guns confiscated because they do not have a RIGHT to own them....its a priviledge in their country and therefore the worst of all examples you could have posted with regard to the situation in the US and in Massachusetts.

It depends on how deeply you believe in the human right of self
defense. It doesn't matter whether or not there was a piece of
paper that said you were allowed to own a gun. If, for example, the
people of Australia were pissed off enough over the issue, what would
really be "wrong" with them not giving in, despite the fact that gun
ownership there was only a "privilege?"

After all, thinking in practical terms about it- if you own guns legally
in MA, you're doing it by virtue of a privilege afforded by the
state, not as a right. (eg, at a minimum, discretionary issue severely
restricts the notion of it being a "right", at least from practical sense) In
a lot of ways we're facing the same BS here the Australians did, the
only difference is the BS is somewhat less onerous here than
it is there. IMO at this point the only reason for that is the "sky is
falling" sensationalist fueld voter count here is a lot lower than it is
in the socialist countries who live in fairy tale land, whenever something
bad happens.

It's the same old story, cause (eg gang violence) a knee jerk reaction
from pols, and the pols pass a dumbass law to appease the masses... ugh.


-Mike

 

[Kurtz]

The American Revolution started in Massachusetts, the second time around won't be any different.

 

[JonJ]

As I posted previously.....if the above think that their lives will be worth a bent nickel if it comes to "gun confiscation" in this state or country they are deluded. Those who are most exposed will likely be the first targeted, thats the LEOs who choose to take the wrong side of the issue and enforce bad laws. Its their choice and they'll be the ones who suffer first and the most until they realize that its just not worth it. Don't ever kid yourself into thinking that anyone is invulnerable. Slow steady attrition is very demoralizing. Just look at what a minority of insurgents are doing to the country of Iraq. They have the demo rats in this country so mentally f***ed up they don't know whether to shit or go blind.

The point I'm trying to make is, Governors, Presidents and Legislators are elected by the people. They make and sign laws. Justices rule on the constitutionality of those laws. If your opinion differs from theirs why not just kill them? They made the bad law. After killing a few of them, "they'd realize they were on the wrong side of the issue" and it was "not worth it". After all, they'd more than likely be unarmed and easier targets. If Gov. Elect Patrick ordered a mass confiscation, why not just kill him. Wouldn't it be easier than taking on a whole army of police?

I guess the next logical question would be, why didn't you kill your local police chief when he required you to jump though hoops to get your LTC and MGL? I would think that you believe that the permits are "bad law". The Constitution says nothing of requiring these permits, therefore your Constitutional right to firearms has been infringed upon.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

It depends on how deeply you believe in the human right of self
defense. It doesn't matter whether or not there was a piece of
paper that said you were allowed to own a gun. If, for example, the
people of Australia were pissed off enough over the issue, what would
really be "wrong" with them not giving in, despite the fact that gun
ownership there was only a privilege?

After all, thinking critically about it- if you own guns legally
in MA, you're doing it by virtue of a privilege afforded by the
state, not a right. (eg, at a minimum, discretionary issue severely
restricts the notion of it being a "right") In a lot of ways we're facing the same BS
here the Australians did, the only difference is the BS is somewhat
less onerous here than it is there.

It's the same old story, cause (eg gang violence) a knee jerk reaction
from pols, and the pols pass a dumbass law to appease the masses... ugh.


-Mike

I believe wholeheartedly in every human's right to self defense and in the defense of others in society.

As my edit pointed out.....our rights are clearly spelled out and declared to be inviolable by any individual or by any government.

The difference between you or me and an Ausi is that I/we can and will(at least I know I will) defend my rights by whatever means necessary and do so lawfully. An Ausi is subject to their own laws which do not clearly define their rights under their laws to own or bear arms.

Everybody has their own line that they will not allow to be crossed. Mine is confiscation....thats the end of the line.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

The point I'm trying to make is, Governors, Presidents and Legislators are elected by the people. They make and sign laws. Justices rule on the constitutionality of those laws. If your opinion differs from theirs why not just kill them? They made the bad law. After killing a few of them, "they'd realize they were on the wrong side of the issue" and it was "not worth it". After all, they'd more than likely be unarmed and easier targets. If Gov. Elect Patrick ordered a mass confiscation, why not just kill him. Wouldn't it be easier than taking on a whole army of police?

I guess the next logical question would be, why didn't you kill your local police chief when he required you to jump though hoops to get your LTC and MGL? I would think that you believe that the permits are "bad law". The Constitution says nothing of requiring these permits, therefore your Constitutional right to firearms has been infringed upon.

And the point I'm trying to make is, if push comes to shove and confiscations were ever ordered....you can bet that the governer or anyone else involved wouldn't be safe no matter where they tried to hide.

I'll pay my fees and taxes...just don't try to take whats lawfully mine thinking that a high price won't be paid. Confiscation is my line in the sand and it will not be crossed as long as I draw a breath and have the strength to draw a bead.

 

[daceman63]

Well, I'm going to work on my letters and pray that nobody dies. ut, hey, I was just thinking. In England they can't have guns and the regular cops....bobbys is what they call them...they don't carry guns right? Isn't it just like their swat teams that carry firearms?

So if they take our guns and in doing so based on their theory there will be no gun crime then our regualr cops won't need guns anymore right? Of course swat would still have guns but they really wouldn't get called out because we would have no more gun crime....so....

 

[Nickle]

Now they're blaming legal gun owners for gun crime.

Of course they are. There's several reasons.

It's tough work to get results when you're really after the criminals.

Why try to pass a law that the criminals will just ignore? Want a law that will be followed, restrict law abiding citizens, since the criminals will just ignore.

And the REAL reason? Why bother trying to get results, when you can just CRY for tougher laws on the people that aren't the problem, and when you don't get results, just blame something else and cry for even tougher laws even though you won't get them to work. At least you can fool the voters into thinking you're getting results, and therefore they reelect you.

Personally, I think there's 3 choices here.

Move out of the area/state.

Vote the bums out.

I'll leave number 3 unmentioned for the time being. You all get my drift, and will do it, WHEN the time comes.

Just remember, Gun Control isn't about guns, it's really about control. Of course Ted Kennedy is for banning guns. He's just simply afraid of getting shot (like a LOT of tyrants that call themselves politicians). Good news is, nobody is DUMB enough to waste a bullet on the bum.

 

[Kurtz]

The point I'm trying to make is, Governors, Presidents and Legislators are elected by the people. They make and sign laws. Justices rule on the constitutionality of those laws. If your opinion differs from theirs why not just kill them? They made the bad law. After killing a few of them, "they'd realize they were on the wrong side of the issue" and it was "not worth it". After all, they'd more than likely be unarmed and easier targets. If Gov. Elect Patrick ordered a mass confiscation, why not just kill him. Wouldn't it be easier than taking on a whole army of police?

I guess the next logical question would be, why didn't you kill your local police chief when he required you to jump though hoops to get your LTC and MGL? I would think that you believe that the permits are "bad law". The Constitution says nothing of requiring these permits, therefore your Constitutional right to firearms has been infringed upon.

In essence, isn't it the voters fault then? once you round everything down it comes down to the voters that put them there. Either they want an unarmed society (law abiding citizens being disarmed) or they want to live like frightened sheep at the mercy of the criminals.

The police will be pretty damn busy once the criminals know the populace is unarmed.(the criminals will be busy too) Massachusetts will be Washington DC to the tenth power. England proved that less guns = more crime, once they disarmed the populace violent crimes went up 300%

 

[Emoto]

If this bill passes they can't come and take'em

http://www.gunlawnews.org/House-Bills/hr5013.html

Good news!

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=8299

President Bush Signs NRA-backed “Disaster Recovery Personal Protection” Measure Into Law

Monday, October 09, 2006

Fairfax, VA- President George W. Bush signed into law the prohibition of confiscation of legal firearms from law-abiding citizens during states of emergency. This action became necessary following practices by local officials in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This new law was part of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill.

“I want to thank President George W. Bush for signing this vital measure into law,” declared Chris W. Cox. “The chaos and civil disorder our country witnessed in New Orleans after the city abolished the Second Amendment confirmed every law-abiding gun owner’s worst fear - that pervasive gun confiscations can happen right here in America. As promised, NRA set out to pass legislation at both the federal and state levels to protect the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding American citizens.”

H.R. 5013, the “Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act,” was introduced in the House by Congressman Bobby Jindal (LA - 1) and passed the House on July 25, 2006 with a broad bi-partisan margin of 322-99. Senator David Vitter (R-La) introduced the Senate version of the bill and an Amendment to Homeland Security Appropriations, which passed the United States Senate by 84-16, the largest margin of victory for a NRA-backed measure.

“The essence of the ‘Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act’ was so compelling that it received strong, bipartisan support in Congress,” continued Cox. “When 911 is non-existent and law enforcement personnel are overwhelmed with search-and-rescue missions and other emergency duties, law-abiding Americans must have legal protection to defend their families and loved ones in times of emergency. The NRA is honored to have helped guarantee this fundamental freedom.”

Edited to add:

The voters in this state will never toss out the leftist turds who constantly seek to disarm the honest. The sheeple eat up that shit like it was ice cream. Although I will do what I can while I am still here in MA, when the opportunity arises in 4-10 year, I will leave this hellhole for a free state.

 

[second]

Exactly...we also have to consider that LEO's are just that....they enforce the law not make the law. I won't be so bold as to speak for anyone in law enforcement but I assume that some may not like the laws either. But it's not up to them to pick and choose which ones to enforce. Their job is to enforce them all regardless of whether or not they agree with them.

I've said it in another thread.....if they show up at my door they can come in for some coffee and then take them away. I'll fight for my rights within the law.

Good luck, your going to need it when the law is stacked against you.

 

[second]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Finalygotabeltfed View Post
You know...I've thought about it alot. I say EXACTLY what I mean and mean EXACTLY what I say. Clear enough for you now?

I don't give a rats ass that there are LEOs on this board or that your son is a cop. They all have the choice to do what is "right" or what they are "ordered" to do....just like the officers who were hanged in Nuremberg Germany. That excuse of "just following orders" didn't hold water then, nor does it now.
A bad law is no law at all and anyone enforcing it is as guilty as those who passed it. I will not be scapegoated for the crimes of others under any circumstances, nor will I allow my rights to be disolved by the whim of some jackass politician for his or her own political gain. If you feel you want to give up your guns, feel free to, but don't expect everyone else to fall in line behind you.

perfect example as to why they are striving to create additional gun control.

Ya mean there is a reason the powers to be dont want the great unwashed masses to be armed?

 

[second]

Where we came from, and where we are heading back too!!


From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Kurtz]

Why don't they take the info from CHSB compiled by FA-10's to make this database? If someone hasn't claimed a purchase already, let's say from their C&R license, will they admit they have it later? If they haven't claimed it yet they'll be in violation of state law and could face prison time if they claim it later.

 

[JonJ]

Send a comment to the NRA here: https://www.nrahq.org/contact.asp

Send a letter about this to the NRA here:
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

Tell the NRA in your communication that we need help now. Tell your friends about this and ask them to call their representatives (for what it is worth). We can not afford to let registration/confiscation even be discussed. If we wait and fight it in court, it will be too late. Do it now.

A very good idea. Just be sure not to include comments such as those below. Comments like this in public forums, letters or in conversation do us no good. The antis love to pick up stuff like this and use it against us any chance they get.
Lets NOT help them.

Ya, five thousand of us did that several years ago and they told us to go f*** ourselves. They will push things until it starts costing money and lives of their own......then....maybe then they'll wake up to their follie.

You know...I've thought about it alot. I say EXACTLY what I mean and mean EXACTLY what I say. Clear enough for you now?

I don't give a rats ass that there are LEOs on this board or that your son is a cop. They all have the choice to do what is "right" or what they are "ordered" to do....just like the officers who were hanged in Nuremberg Germany. That excuse of "just following orders" didn't hold water then, nor does it now.
A bad law is no law at all and anyone enforcing it is as guilty as those who passed it. I will not be scapegoated for the crimes of others under any circumstances, nor will I allow my rights to be disolved by the whim of some jackass politician for his or her own political gain. If you feel you want to give up your guns, feel free to, but don't expect everyone else to fall in line behind you.

And the point I'm trying to make is, if push comes to shove and confiscations were ever ordered....you can bet that the governer or anyone else involved wouldn't be safe no matter where they tried to hide.

I'll pay my fees and taxes...just don't try to take whats lawfully mine thinking that a high price won't be paid. Confiscation is my line in the sand and it will not be crossed as long as I draw a breath and have the strength to draw a bead.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

A very good idea. Just be sure not to include comments such as those below. Comments like this in public forums, letters or in conversation do us no good. The antis love to pick up stuff like this and use it against us any chance they get.
Lets NOT help them.

No.....don't ever show them that there is an ounce of devotion or courage on your part... make sure that your cause is always approached with your tail tucked tightly between your legs, your head bowed and your ball gag tightly tied so it doesn't fall out of your mouth.

Good Luck!