Shootout and explosions in Paris...

[jhblaze1]

I went to a Syrian wedding in September and it sucked. No one blew anything up. Total disappointment.

 

[Rider]

So everyone from Syria is a Muslim?

I try to get out....

I know you guys hate this fact stuff...but the CIA Factbook says Syria is 87% Muslim, so the assertion that most Syrians are Muslim is accurate. (Without getting into ISIS' killing and persecution of Christians.)

And it is 90% Arab as well. So...

 

[Boghog1]

How about we start caring for our 50,000 homeless veterans who actually helped this country? Oh I forgot, we don't have the money for that. I could give 2 shits about refugees until we take care of our own first....

I try, as one person I cannot take care of the 50,000 homeless.

 

[Boghog1]

I try to get out....

I know you guys hate this fact stuff...but the CIA Factbook says Syria is 87% Muslim, so the assertion that most Syrians are Muslim is accurate. (Without getting into ISIS' killing and persecution of Christians.)

And it is 90% Arab as well. So...

I realize what the rations are I also realize Daeshis killing syrians, I realize that the Paris attackers held European not syrian passports.

 

[Bonesinium]

For some interesting reading checkout this thread we had from two years ago.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/219993-Syria

 

[spcantwell]

I realize what the rations are I also realize Daeshis killing syrians, I realize that the Paris attackers held European not syrian passports.

And everyone living in LA named Juan has a drivers license that says California.... Does that mean they are all legal citizens?

 

[Bonesinium]

And everyone living in LA named Juan has a drivers license that says California.... Does that mean they are all legal citizens?

Great point!

 

[spcantwell]

Great point!

It was just as good as your point that the paperwork that some of the terrorists had show the European address instead of a Middle Eastern one

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[Bonesinium]

It was just as good as your point that the paperwork that some of the terrorists had show the European address instead of a Middle Eastern one

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When did I make that point?

 

[Dadstoys]

ISIS and terrorist crap aside.
After seeing what's happing in Germany and Sweden.
Anyone who's in favor of just opening the gates want to open their door and get some diversification going in YOUR neighborhood?
I'm sure if you contact Oblammy and company and offer to put a few of them up , they'll take you up on it.
It's a great opportunity show the wife and kiddies how being PC has it's benefits.

 

[Bonesinium]

It was just as good as your point that the paperwork that some of the terrorists had show the European address instead of a Middle Eastern one

While I didn't make that point, it is actually a relevant one, unlike yours. And it doesn't have to do with what their paperwork lists as an address, but I suppose that characterization helps you try and justify your awful point.

At least 6 of the attackers were either from Belgium or France. It's not that that is what their passports said, they grew up and lived in these countries.

Heck at least one was previously charged with terrorism but was released on (evidently terrible) supervision. In fact in seems like all the known attackers had previous criminal convictions or faced criminal charges.

None of the known attackers are Syrian refugees or from Syria, so why you continue to try and push that is quite frankly, stupid.

 

[Portagee]

I guess being born in the US, I never considered myself and immigrant.

Dictionary







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noun im·mi·grant \ˈi-mə-grənt\

: a person who comes to a country to live there

funny thing, americans living abroad call themselves expats, even though they're living there for life.
Immigrant is a bad word, only people with a poor background are immigrants.
I'm a portuguese expat lol

 

[Nickle]

I wonder how ISIS would feel about engaging here if they were informed that the armed U.S. population is now coating their bullets in pig fat, one by one, just for them. No heaven or virgins if they take one with pig fat. I wonder how many rounds can be coated with one ham? I think I'll experiment.

A couple of choices here that should work. One, you could rub bacon on jacketed bullets. Easy to do with existing ammo too. Two, you could load ammo with cast or swaged bullets, making pig fat aa part of the bullet lube.

Where I come from, we call that a user training issue.

Yeah, that's my take on the vast majority of AK malfunctions. A properly maintained AR is almost as reliable as the AK. Just needs a little more maintenance than the AK.

Do more than just dip... Reload with the pig bits embedded in the bullet somehow... Not quite sure how since the hot lead is also going to cook the pig bit... But I think it could work?

Using pork fat in bullet lube for cast bullets has been done, and it works,

Bullets lubed with bacon grease.
One might also wonder about the terminal ballistics effects of hollow-point bullets with the hollow-point packed with pig lard.

Another good one.

Sooooooooooo we shouldn't allow these people to migrate to America because there *might* be a few bad apples?
Yeah I'll take my chances. My odds of being hit by a train or shot by a cop are higher than dying in a terrorist attack.

Well, I could argue that, to a point. I haven't suffered any of these. My family has come close on the terrorist part, but just close. A friend was wrongfully shot by a cop, but she survived (this was last year). Another guy I knew (at the time) was killed by a terrorist attack.

And there's no *might* to it, unless you think they (the people immigrating) are just lying.

Not even close to being an applicable analogy. One means instant death, one does not.

Last time I checked, poison may or may not kill you, and it may be quick or slow. Also last time I checked, getting shot with a rifle at close range, or being close to an exploding bomb tends to kill a fairly high percentage of time, usually fairly quick.

That's the number I've seen reported by both sides as the average for the Muslim population.

I've seen percentages as high as 75-80& that support jihad and sharia law. If you understand those 2 terms fairly well, you'll realize that both are for "killing the infidel", "raping the infidel" and "enslaving the infidel". And the percentage was gotten from a post in this or a similar thread here.

Why import ANY of them here - even notwithstanding whether ANY of them are terrorists or not?

Apparently the people that back bringing them here fail to grasp a few basic concepts. Concepts that some of us understand all too well.

Some people follow their feelings, and their hearts go out to the poor misunderstood people immigrating that should be given another chance at life. Some support it out of guilt. Others still apparently believe the administrations tactics and "these aren't the muslims you're looking for".

Now, bringing them here solves nothing, except maybe the administrations dilemmas about how to keep their party in power (importing voters and giving them free stuff) or how to bring the country down so they can shred the Constitution the rest of the way. Or, so they have a fresh crisis, so they can invoke martial law and start violating our current rights.

But, it sure won't solve ANY problem that most folks in the US want solved.

Some of you guys need to get busy and go start studying 4th generation warfare - and what happens when first world armies fight guerilla armies on their own home territory.

Our current problems with these people don't just predate the term "4th generation warfare", but predate the existence of this country.

That said, the rest of it is spot on. You can fight and beat guerrilla warfare, it's been done (had to mention the truth). But, it's extremely hard, certainly been lost far more often than won, and hasn't been won recently. I'll add that some of the things that have to be done are also pretty distasteful.

Why is cutting it off (immigration) - such a shitty option?

Personally, I think it's a real good start. One of the best options proposed. I don't think it will solve the problem, but I do think it's the first step of a real solution, and a vital step at that.

And, it's needed anyways, or this country will face economic collapse. It may even be too late to turn that around already.

Maybe people ought to start looking at the ACTUAL problems - instead of constantly trying to ignore them and make them worse.

And, this is the key to the solution. Find the ACTUAL problem, figure out a REAL solution, then implement it.

I know of very few solutions that will work. Closing the door on further immigration is a good start, though it's going to take more than that.

I did not advocate invading with troops as we did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I said the point of dropping a bomb is to kill people, which in the context of a war, is a desirable outcome. (to kill the enemy)

I make no claim nor have any intention of being / becoming an expert on warfare technology. My opinions are my own and based on extensive reading of Tom Clancy novels.

I'm no expert either. My opinions are formed from first hand experience, second hand experience of close friends and family members and a fairly decent understanding of history, especially the last 250 years.

Now, I can tell you that bombing alone won't work. I say won't, because it's been tried, several times, and not yet even one time has it worked.

Yes, some folks say Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but those were nukes, and not just bombing alone. Of course, they did make the threat that we would destroy Japan with nukes seem very credible. I have zero proof that threat was ever made, but I bet the Japanese Emperor was at least thinking that.

And, by the way, it's said that the fire bombing of Tokyo had a higher death toll, and higher property damage. I believe that may have been the case.

Bombing doesn't accomplish shit.

It didn't end the war in WW2. It didn't end the Korean War. It didn't end Vietnam - and it hasn't stopped anything in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The only thing that really stops a war - is bringing in troops - and fighting it out in the dirt. Which we have been failing at.

I CONSTANTLY hear people say " let's drop some bombs " - seriously , do you guys have Alzheimers? It's not like this is some military lesson from the distant past that people can poo-poo and ignore. It JUST HAPPENED - and it DIDN'T WORK.

Strategic bombing has been proven to be a very ineffective tool. It's going to take a little more than fighting it out, but that's a major part of it. I'll post a workable solution at the end. It sure won't be a pretty or easy solution.

Different kinds of bombing.

If you leveled Muslim countries like we leveled a lot of Japan, gave a warning about attacking or supporting attackers again and we'll be back, AND THEN JUST LEFT, shit *might* change.

I think you'll find it's going to take more than that.

Now maybe some of you guys will clue in that this whole "war on terror" - is nothing but a bullshit excuse...............


But I doubt it.

I doubt they'll get it too.

Now, that workable solution.

You've seen me post that I thought we would need to kill a major amount of them. I still think that's true. I think it's going to take that many to get their attention. Just like a lot of people haven't opened their eyes to it here yet. How many do they have to kill here before we admit they are killing us? I ask that, because it seems some folks are still in denial that they're killing us.

Killing them is just part of it. We also need to get inside their beliefs, make them know they're not going to heaven and not getting their 72 virgins. Part of that is where the idea of lubing bullets with pig fat comes from. There's other ways.

But the idea is just so simple. Hard to do, yes, but it sure isn't rocket science.

We just have to make them understand that they will not win, they can not win, they won't go to heaven and they don't get their 72 virgins in the garden in heaven. Or, in other words, we need to make sure they know it just isn't worth it, now or ever, and attempting to do so is "bad for their health".

It will take resolve, it will be ugly, it will be messy and we will get blood on our hands. A lot of folks would rather die before doing this. But, it has worked before, and it'll probably work again. And, we aren't even all that sure it ever happened, but we know the logic sure does.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

Normally I take anything Snopes puts up with a grain of salt, due to their political beliefs and accompanying bias. But, I doubt their beliefs have trampled into this one, and I'll also mention exactly why the nukes made Japan quit.

See, when they realize that further fighting is futile, that it will result in their total annihilation and they will never win, then you've gotten somewhere.

But, you can't make them think they will be required to change or assimilate, just that we will let them alone if they leave us alone. No more, no less.

And, you have to make them so afraid of you, that they would rather die an ugly death, than to receive one at your hands.

How did the bombing of Japan work? Well, we do know that the 2 main things they fear to this day are nuclear bombs and fire. The same 2 things used on them before.

Why bombing alone doesn't work? Because you have to bomb so much to achieve enough bombing that it goes way past what is acceptable. Not many people are going to tolerate bombing on the level used against Japan in WW2, especially fire bombing or using nukes. Some may talk that way, but they really won't tolerate it long.

And, by the way, I'm against this level of killing as anybody you may know. I just know there really is no other workable solution out there. If you've got one, tell us what it is. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong. And, that's not sarcasm, either.

 

[calsdad]

Hey, I'm for deporting immigrants here legally not contributing and those hereillegally. But that's a separate discussion than what was being addressed. Those problems get sorted out mainly by simply dismantling the entire welfare system. That's not going to happen without civil war or collapse.

When the big wave of people came in from the late 1800's thru the early part of the 20th century - there was no much welfare to speak of.

But the country still reached a point where it said "enough" - and stopped it.

Welfare is not the only component here. Immigrants may bring some good things - but they bring a lot of bad things too.

Socialism/Marxism are BAD things IMHO - they came here in the heads of German immigrants. Socialism/Marxism is not a home grown political philosophy or religion.

Neither is Islam.

I've been hearing my whole life how overpopulation is such a bad thing. We are berated daily over our CO2 production, how much pollution our cars produce, how we're destroying the planet by taking up all the space, - etc. The government has what probably amounts to tens of thousands of pages of laws regulating emissions and how you can use your own land, and housing requirements - etc. The pages of NES are chock full of threads about global warming. And the globam warming crowd typically points to the US as a major user of energy as one of the main culprits.

Now if all of these are true - what is the sense in importing ANYBODY into this country? Any import coming here is immediately going to leave a higher carbon footprint than if they stayed where they were. Immigrants typically reproduce faster than the natives - especially the white ones. So you're looking at multiplier there for carbon usage and pollution whenever you admit an immigrant.

Again WHY? What is the point?

This is yet another reason why I think the left is completely full of shit. I get beaten about the head daily from lefties telling me I'm a bad person for not wanting to let in Syrian immigrants and all sorts of other immigrants - or illegal aliens - and once they finish with that , they start in on their rants about we're all going to die because of global warming. They're talking out of both sides of their mouths - and all I smell coming out is shit.

 

[Nickle]

ISIS and terrorist crap aside.
After seeing what's happing in Germany and Sweden.
Anyone who's in favor of just opening the gates want to open their door and get some diversification going in YOUR neighborhood?
I'm sure if you contact Oblammy and company and offer to put a few of them up , they'll take you up on it.
It's a great opportunity show the wife and kiddies how being PC has it's benefits.

Hehe, I like this idea.

I may add one thing though (and this is directed at those that do this).

Don't lose your head.

 

[Boghog1]

And everyone living in LA named Juan has a drivers license that says California.... Does that mean they are all legal citizens?

No, should we deport the all then?

 

[Bonesinium]

I think Gary Johnson had some pretty decent things to say about the subject.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/11/gary-johnson-ban-sharia-law-in-the-usa/

“It is time that we have an open, honest dialogue about the politics of Sharia law. It is time that we face the reality that, while Islam is a faith that must be granted the same freedoms of religion as all others, Sharia is a political ideology that cannot coexist with the constitutional and basic human rights on which the United States is founded.

We must face the fact that ISIS is a murderous, violent movement driven by Sharia ideology, not by the religion of Islam. We need not and should not be Islamophobic, but all who are free and wish to be free should be Shariaphobic. In its determination to impose a “law” upon us and to kill, maim and terrorize in the process — as seen most recently in Paris, ISIS must be stopped.

I opposed the Iraq War. I supported going after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan after 9/11, but opposed — and continue to oppose — our failed attempt at Afghan nation building. And I opposed our involvement in overthrowing the government in Libya.

The list goes on and on. Our ill-advised attempts to shape the outcomes of civil wars and replace bad guys with slightly less bad guys have not only failed, but have created vacuums that are today being filled by the politics of Sharia.

The cost of those interventions has been tremendous, with too many of our young men and women of the military killed and wounded…and trillions of dollars spent ineffectively.

Libertarians believe freedom and opportunity require limited government. Government costs too much because it does too much — and a government that does too much erodes liberty. But one responsibility of government is clear: To protect us from those who would do us harm and who would take away our fundamental freedoms. We believe liberty is the true American value, and that our government has a solemn obligation to preserve it.

...

You can read the rest of what he said in the link provided. One of the more intelligent things I've seen from a politician on the subject.

 

[calsdad]

So far you've managed to answer dozens of posts telling one person or all they are all wet and don't know what they're talking about while never actually saying what your idea is.

So what is your plan?

How do we defeat ISIS and their ilk?

Stop supporting them - and stop letting them in to this country to begin with.

Where does ISIS get it's funding from? It's gotten a LOT from us. Go back and read the history of relations between the US and the Soviet Union. We bailed them out a number of times. Would the Soviet Union have won against the Germans during WW2 if we hadn't sent them a massive amount of aid? That's an arguable point. I'd even argue that it's debateable whether we might have been better off supporting HITLER - instead of Stalin. Stalin was an even bigger douche than Hitler was. He killed more people - and genocided people just like Hitler did.

But we sided with communism instead of fascism - and suffered for it for decades afterwards. We're suffering for it now BTW because the US seems to be running rampant with commies and socialists screaming about getting their way.

So now we're supporting Sunni Muslims. We support Saudi Arabia. Why do we do that? Is it because of oil? Well how many solar panels would the $2 trillion dollars we pissed away on Iraq and Afghanistan have bought? I'm not a proponent of government spending - but it seems that pissing away $2 trillion on solar panels - which potentially gives the country the ability to tell the Saudis to take their oil and **** off - is a better choice the pissing it away on a war that accomplishes exactly nothing beneficial for the country in the end.

We're embargoing Russia right now if I remember correctly - because of the Ukraine.

Where the hell is the embargo of the Mideast?

My point is: bombing is a known bad decision. Sending our troops over there is a known bad decision. History teaches the same lesson over and over again. Stop making the bad decisions - if that's the best you can do. The good decisions will become more apparent - when we stop making the bad ones.

We're destroying ourselves - and we're doing exactly what the terrorists want us to do. Bin Laden spelled this all out pretty clearly back before 9/11.

- - - Updated - - -

Most of us here are immigrants unless you are Native American.

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And your point is what exactly? We should just keep letting immigrants in ad infinitum just because most of the people here descended from immigrants?

The Native Americans were immigrants too BTW. So your only real argument is a time argument - who has been here longer.

 

[Boghog1]

I think Gary Johnson had some pretty decent things to say about the subject.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/11/gary-johnson-ban-sharia-law-in-the-usa/



You can read the rest of what he said in the link provided. One of the more intelligent things I've seen from a politician on the subject.

Which is why he will get my vote

 

[calsdad]

I am tired of all of the references to the Japanese internment camps. Compared to other countries at the same time period we were the best for taking care of the Japanese. Most other countries at the time we're flat out deporting or killing those from opponent nations. Didn't make it right but it makes it understandable.

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This is why I brought up the Japanese espionage/sabotage ring. It was a KNOWN thing. People seem to want to talk about the Japanese internment like it was just purely some racist thing with absolutely no reasoning behind it. You could argue that the presence of the espionage ring was as much bullshit back then - as some of the crap the government feeds us these days, but the truth is that people at least THOUGHT that it existed.

Like I said - I've seen a newspaper from 1935 or 36 (can't remember now) - and there was the story , buried a few pages back from the front - about a known Japanese spy ring.

This is what people were reading in the paper - YEARS before the Pearl Harbor attack ever came.

 

[Bonesinium]

And your point is what exactly? We should just keep letting immigrants in ad infinitum just because most of the people here descended from immigrants?

The US has less ground to stand on [than Europe to deny immigrants] considering our country is what it is today (whether that is a good thing or not, is up for debate) because of immigrants. Of course Ellis Island has been closed for quite some time now, and things have certainly changed.

To be clear, I'm making no argument in either direction. I'm simply saying a country founded by immigrants and made up of immigrants deciding to stop accepting immigrants is a significant change in philosophy. It is much the same but in inverse of what countries like Sweden, Germany, England, France and others in Europe are doing.

If I was to make an argument, I'd say the cultural changes taking place in Europe because of immigration is probably correlated to the increase of crime, and the fact the US is made up of so many different cultures that it is probably a reason why the US traditionally has more violent crime...different cultures clash. But that doesn't sit well with people who champion multiculturalism who also tend to place the blame on gun owners...

 

[Nickle]

I think Gary Johnson had some pretty decent things to say about the subject.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/11/gary-johnson-ban-sharia-law-in-the-usa/



You can read the rest of what he said in the link provided. One of the more intelligent things I've seen from a politician on the subject.

Thank you. This is pretty much what I've been trying to tell people all along.

But what you're thinking here is about as clear as mud.

It's easy. It's been said (on a video, earlier in this thread) 75-80% of the Muslim population of the countries that have significant Muslim populations in them actually support Sharia law.

But, here's a read that tells you something on it.

And I didn't see many percentages as low as 10-15%.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

 

[71montess]

When the big wave of people came in from the late 1800's thru the early part of the 20th century - there was no much welfare to speak of.

But the country still reached a point where it said "enough" - and stopped it.

Welfare is not the only component here. Immigrants may bring some good things - but they bring a lot of bad things too.

Socialism/Marxism are BAD things IMHO - they came here in the heads of German immigrants. Socialism/Marxism is not a home grown political philosophy or religion.

Neither is Islam.

I've been hearing my whole life how overpopulation is such a bad thing. We are berated daily over our CO2 production, how much pollution our cars produce, how we're destroying the planet by taking up all the space, - etc. The government has what probably amounts to tens of thousands of pages of laws regulating emissions and how you can use your own land, and housing requirements - etc. The pages of NES are chock full of threads about global warming. And the globam warming crowd typically points to the US as a major user of energy as one of the main culprits.

Now if all of these are true - what is the sense in importing ANYBODY into this country? Any import coming here is immediately going to leave a higher carbon footprint than if they stayed where they were. Immigrants typically reproduce faster than the natives - especially the white ones. So you're looking at multiplier there for carbon usage and pollution whenever you admit an immigrant.

Again WHY? What is the point?

This is yet another reason why I think the left is completely full of shit. I get beaten about the head daily from lefties telling me I'm a bad person for not wanting to let in Syrian immigrants and all sorts of other immigrants - or illegal aliens - and once they finish with that , they start in on their rants about we're all going to die because of global warming. They're talking out of both sides of their mouths - and all I smell coming out is shit.

Now that's what I've been saying ! Both ends of thier bodies too !

 

[SteelShooter]

No, should we deport the all then?

Yes, they should, sorry but if they are not here legally, they need to go back and start over. I personally have helped/sponsored 11 of newly naturalized citizens over the past 10 years from Guatemala, Mexico, Ireland and Brazil so don't give the racist BS stuff, everyone likes to throw around. I gave them all jobs, paid for their lawyers helped them get housing and English lessons and help them assimilate to our culture. They still maintain their ties to their heritage, but they are Americans now and are proud and happy to be called that. I think we are better with immigration, but it needs to be legal and controlled and the people coming in need to be able to support themselves, if they can't we are doing a disservice to them and to us.

 

[Boghog1]

This is why I brought up the Japanese espionage/sabotage ring. It was a KNOWN thing. People seem to want to talk about the Japanese internment like it was just purely some racist thing with absolutely no reasoning behind it. You could argue that the presence of the espionage ring was as much bullshit back then - as some of the crap the government feeds us these days, but the truth is that people at least THOUGHT that it existed.

Like I said - I've seen a newspaper from 1935 or 36 (can't remember now) - and there was the story , buried a few pages back from the front - about a known Japanese spy ring.

This is what people were reading in the paper - YEARS before the Pearl Harbor attack ever came.

Remember if you can justify locking up an entire race because of a few the left should be able to lock up all gun owners due to the few bad ones

 

[71montess]

The US has less ground to stand on [than Europe to deny immigrants] considering our country is what it is today (whether that is a good thing or not, is up for debate) because of immigrants. Of course Ellis Island has been closed for quite some time now, and things have certainly changed.

To be clear, I'm making no argument in either direction. I'm simply saying a country founded by immigrants and made up of immigrants deciding to stop accepting immigrants is a significant change in philosophy. It is much the same but in inverse of what countries like Sweden, Germany, England, France and others in Europe are doing.

If I was to make an argument, I'd say the cultural changes taking place in Europe because of immigration is probably correlated to the increase of crime, and the fact the US is made up of so many different cultures that it is probably a reason why the US traditionally has more violent crime...different cultures clash. But that doesn't sit well with people who champion multiculturalism who also tend to place the blame on gun owners...

The noble truth that we are a country of immigrants , while true is only useful for the people who think modern immigration policies, or for the matter any immigration is in our countries intrest. While a net negitive increase or stable growth in population might or might not be bad for buisness, I'm thinking we are on the wrong road and immigration only helps the Democrats.

 

[namedpipes]

Stop supporting them - and stop letting them in to this country to begin with.
...
Where the hell is the embargo of the Mideast?
...

On these points I completely agree. I don't think that's the whole answer, but it is a heck of a start and I would support a cessation of trade with that part of the world. I imagine it would mean some phenomenal adjustments on our part, but too me, it would be worth it.

I rather like Nickel's points about lube, etc. and killing lots of them. Taint every round and make it known far and wide.

And, by the way, thanks for answering the question.

 

[71montess]

Remember if you can justify locking up an entire race because of a few the left should be able to lock up all gun owners due to the few bad ones

Apples and watermelons.

 

[Nickle]

Yes, they should, sorry but if they are not here legally, they need to go back and start over. I personally have helped/sponsored 11 of newly naturalized citizens over the past 10 years from Guatemala, Mexico, Ireland and Brazil so don't give the racist BS stuff, everyone likes to throw around. I gave them all jobs, paid for their lawyers helped them get housing and English lessons and help them assimilate to our culture. They still maintain their ties to their heritage, but they are Americans now and are proud and happy to be called that. I think we are better with immigration, but it needs to be legal and controlled and the people coming in need to be able to support themselves, if they can't we are doing a disservice to them and to us.

And that bunch of people I have exactly zero problem with them immigrating here.

They work, they've become Americans and they came for the right reasons.

The group in question here? Not so much. They won't work, they won't become Americans, in fact, they insist on us becoming them. Or they intend to kill us. Their words, not mine.

Remember if you can justify locking up an entire race because of a few the left should be able to lock up all gun owners due to the few bad ones

Last time I checked, 50+% of gun owners haven't threatened to kill the left if they don't become gun owners. And, I don't advocate locking them up, just sending them back to where they came from.

Very flawed argument you made, and you know it.

What's next? Flies cause garbage? Rosie O'Donnell's spoon made her fat?

The noble truth that we are a country of immigrants , while true is only useful for the people who think modern immigration policies, or for the matter any immigration is in our countries intrest. While a net negitive increase or stable growth in population might or might not be bad for buisness, I'm thinking we are on the wrong road and immigration only helps the Democrats.

Or, so they think. If you have a decent understanding of they these immigrants really want (and they have told us just that), then any person with any sense should know that we really don't want them here. Unless the plan for bringing in them is either the collapse of the US as we know it, or to kill Americans. Both are badm, so take your pick.

 

[Boghog1]

And that bunch of people I have exactly zero problem with them immigrating here.

They work, they've become Americans and they came for the right reasons.

The group in question here? Not so much. They won't work, they won't become Americans, in fact, they insist on us becoming them. Or they intend to kill us. Their words, not mine.



Last time I checked, 50+% of gun owners haven't threatened to kill the left if they don't become gun owners. And, I don't advocate locking them up, just sending them back to where they came from.

Very flawed argument you made, and you know it.

What's next? Flies cause garbage? Rosie O'Donnell's spoon made her fat?



Or, so they think. If you have a decent understanding of they these immigrants really want (and they have told us just that), then any person with any sense should know that we really don't want them here. Unless the plan for bringing in them is either the collapse of the US as we know it, or to kill Americans. Both are badm, so take your pick.

I'm not going through all of this but <.04% of the 750,000 refugees have been charged with terrorism and if we include the tsarnaev brothers are included the number still doesn't go up, punishing everyone for the actions of the few is not liberty