Shootout and explosions in Paris...

[drgrant]

John Oliver is a ****ing *******

Lol... he,has a pretty good piece on civil asset forfeiture.

ETA: So hes an ass hole becausebhe wants a few foreigners who risk their lives for America to be treated well? does not compute. then again i cant read through the asterisks lmao

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Lol... he,has a pretty good piece on civil asset forfeiture.

yep and one on gun confiscation

 

[Chevy 2 65]

[video=youtube_share;9pOiOhxujsE]http://youtu.be/9pOiOhxujsE[/video]

 

[Bonesinium]

Cool, he's got an opinion on something neither of us agree with, that must mean he is always wrong and everything he says is merit-less. I could have posted from several other sources I just happened to choose that one, but you have to immediately discredit it (presumably without even watching) because you don't like the guy. Sounds legit.

 

[drgrant]

[video=youtube_share;9pOiOhxujsE]http://youtu.be/9pOiOhxujsE[/video]

I guess a broken clock....

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Cool, he's got an opinion on something neither of us agree with, that must mean he is always wrong and everything he says is merit-less. I could have posted from several other sources I just happened to choose that one, but you have to immediately discredit it (presumably without even watching) because you don't like the guy. Sounds legit.

I did watch.. You shouldn't concern yourself with what I think of someone, that has nothing to do with you.
It's OK to dislike only people, like Hillary, sanders etc.. please

 

[mg42doc]

News media in the states fail to report ...shocked
[video=youtube_share;NRZiTreKcCk]http://youtu.be/NRZiTreKcCk[/video]

[video=youtube_share;qfKzDb9f7p4]http://youtu.be/qfKzDb9f7p4[/video]

anyone see the police vehicle with the the cowcatcher on the front of it at 6:05 of the first vid?

It's not quite "the scoop" from Soylent Green but its close

 

[spcantwell]

I'm not going through all of this but <.04% of the 750,000 refugees have been charged with terrorism and if we include the tsarnaev brothers are included the number still doesn't go up, punishing everyone for the actions of the few is not liberty

Using that logic, have you ever needed a weapon? No? Then you don't need one because the chances of you being involved in violent crime is so low. "Scaring (punishing) everyone because of the actions of a few criminals"???

 

[Boghog1]

Using that logic, have you ever needed a weapon? No? Then you don't need one because the chances of you being involved in violent crime is so low. "Scaring (punishing) everyone because of the actions of a few criminals"???

Which is why I don't worry about carrying everyday, it must suck to live in fear of dying everyday

 

[spcantwell]

Which is why I don't worry about carrying everyday, it must suck to live in fear of dying everyday

But why carry any day. No one has actually attacked you so there is no reason to worry or plan about anyone doing anything bad. In fact using your logic, you can't shoot back at any one until after they kill you, so again, why carry ever?

 

[Boghog1]

But why carry any day. No one has actually attacked you so there is no reason to worry or plan about anyone doing anything bad. In fact using your logic, you can't shoot back at any one until after they kill you, so again, why carry ever?

I am not going to waste my time

 

[calsdad]

The US has less ground to stand on [than Europe to deny immigrants] considering our country is what it is today (whether that is a good thing or not, is up for debate) because of immigrants. Of course Ellis Island has been closed for quite some time now, and things have certainly changed.

To be clear, I'm making no argument in either direction. I'm simply saying a country founded by immigrants and made up of immigrants deciding to stop accepting immigrants is a significant change in philosophy. It is much the same but in inverse of what countries like Sweden, Germany, England, France and others in Europe are doing.

If I was to make an argument, I'd say the cultural changes taking place in Europe because of immigration is probably correlated to the increase of crime, and the fact the US is made up of so many different cultures that it is probably a reason why the US traditionally has more violent crime...different cultures clash. But that doesn't sit well with people who champion multiculturalism who also tend to place the blame on gun owners...

I agree with you that it's a problem because we're basically a country made up of people who came here from many different countries.

But - in the same way that liberals constantly say shit like: "the Constitution is not a suicide pact" - when they're trying to obliterate the second amendment....... I don't think that fact means that we are somehow obligated to just leave the floodgates open ad infinitum - forever.

At least a couple of times in this thread people have brought up this immigration fact - and said " except for the Native Americans " - it's a good point.

You know why? Because while there were certain factions of people here who wanted all the Native Americans dead - there were others that got along just fine with them. There was a LOT of commonality between the colonists and settlers that came here - and the Native American tribes. There may have been religious differences - but many natives converted to Christianity. And I think this is a CRUCIAL historical fact to pay attention to.

There were people who wanted to kill the natives because they were pagans. But there were also Christian missionaries who DEVOTED THEIR LIVES to bringing the Indians over to our ways - and make them into Christians. They did this thru PEACEFUL means - not thru cutting their heads off.

This country was founded ON AN IDEA. I've heard that said by both the right and the left in this country pretty much forever. That idea should not exclude anybody based on race or gender. And it hasn't. Many people come here and believe in that idea. Boris is here - and June4th is here - both from different countries - and both believe in that idea more than some of the people who were born here do. If all the immigrants who come here were like Boris and June4th - I'd say setup an exchange program and lets ship out the non-believers and replace them with immigrants who still believe in that idea.

I'd rather live in a multi-racial society full of people who believe in that idea - than live in a whites only society that is constantly berating me for not believing in Nazism or Socialism or Catholicism - or any of the other "isms" where people want to rule my life.

But what Islam? I believe that Islam is in direct contradiction to the ideas that founded this country. I've read and read and read - and can't find any evidence to the contrary. And I've watched the news for decades now - and seen no physical or political evidence either.

I've also literally NEVER heard of SINGLE instance where Islam converted people thru peaceful missionary - like Christians do - or at least used to do. It's always a threat - it's always at the mercy of the sword.

Sorry - but I don't see the point in importing people who are basically enemies of everything this country claims to stand for.

Again I ask WHY? What is the point?

 

[the_shootist]

Which is why I don't worry about carrying everyday, it must suck to live in fear of dying everyday

OK, so here's the simple analogy that even you (well, maybe not you) will understand....


I'd rather have it and never need it than need it once and not have it!

 

[headednorth]

Which is why I don't worry about carrying everyday, it must suck to live in fear of dying everyday

Just carry when you'll know ahead of time you'll need it.

 

[In God We Trust]

While this is true do you really want these people around? I don't. This country is too crowded already. Even if 0 of them are "terrorists" a bunch of them are going to be joining the free shit army, and they'll be on the voter rolls in a year, whether it's legal or not. Good luck keeping moonbats/socialists out of office wherever these people manage to accumulate.

-Mike

There is the crux of the issue.

Why would anyone want for ANY group of immigrants to come live here? Unless they are hot Brazilian women or some genius surgeon or scientist, why would we "want" them to come here?

Just for diversities sake? Some days it takes me more than 5 minutes to make the one left turn I have on the way to work. We simply don't need more people here.


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[mibro]

Yes, it's the Daily Mail but Tom Holland is an actual historian. This is a fascinating read:

"Shadow of a bloody past: For centuries, Islam and Christianity were locked in a brutal conflict most have forgotten. The horror, a top historian argues, is that for jihadis it's as real today as it was in the Middle Ages."

And today formerly-Christian Europe bares the neck to Islam.

 

[Bonesinium]

There is the crux of the issue.

Why would anyone want for ANY group of immigrants to come live here? Unless they are hot Brazilian women or some genius surgeon or scientist, why would we "want" them to come here?

Just for diversities sake? Some days it takes me more than 5 minutes to make the one left turn I have on the way to work. We simply don't need more people here.


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That's a pretty narrow minded view.

Its funny, people on this forum are constantly saying things like "if you don't like it here, move." That's funny because now we have people saying "too bad, you can't move here because we don't want you. "

Well whether you want someone here or not doesn't and shouldn't matter. Anyone who is going to be a peaceful member of our society should be welcomed.

I understand its many people's contention that they will not be, a valid concern, but to simply say "Why would anyone want for ANY group of immigrants to come live here? " as if its a valid reason why NOBODY should be able to come to the US, is completely narrow minded.

As for your "it's too crowded" argument. Well the US is 182 in the world in population density. That argument just isn't valid.

 

[the_shootist]

That's a pretty narrow minded view.

Its funny, people on this forum are constantly saying things like "if you don't like it here, move." That's funny because now we have people saying "too bad, you can't move here because we don't want you. "

Well whether you want someone here or not doesn't and shouldn't matter. Anyone who is going to be a peaceful member of our society should be welcomed.

I understand its many people's contention that they will not be, a valid concern, but to simply say "Why would anyone want for ANY group of immigrants to come live here? " as if its a valid reason why NOBODY should be able to come to the US, is completely narrow minded.

As for your "it's too crowded" argument. Well the US is 182 in the world in population density. That argument just isn't valid.

If you want them put them all up at your house then....problem solved!

 

[Chevy 2 65]

That's a pretty narrow minded view.

Its funny, people on this forum are constantly saying things like "if you don't like it here, move." That's funny because now we have people saying "too bad, you can't move here because we don't want you. "

Well whether you want someone here or not doesn't and shouldn't matter. Anyone who is going to be a peaceful member of our society should be welcomed.

I understand its many people's contention that they will not be, a valid concern, but to simply say "Why would anyone want for ANY group of immigrants to come live here? " as if its a valid reason why NOBODY should be able to come to the US, is completely narrow minded.

As for your "it's too crowded" argument. Well the US is 182 in the world in population density. That argument just isn't valid.

How do you figure that one out? Are you not watching what's going on in Europe? Do you want that here in the US?

 

[Bonesinium]

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a wall. I said a bunch of times that those concerns are valid and that I share those concerns. IGWT was arguing against ALL immigration (except for hot girls and scientists apparently).

Did you read the very sentence after the one you put in bold?

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a wall. I said a bunch of times that those concerns are valid and that I share those concerns. IGWT was arguing against ALL immigration (except for hot girls and scientists apparently).

Did you read the very sentence after the one you put in bold?

Well, how do you? But yeah hot chicks welcome.

 

[namedpipes]

... As for his "it's too crowded" argument. Well the US is 182 in the world in population density. That argument just isn't valid.

Well, yes it is. You're basically saying we have a duty to be just as crappy a place as the rest of the world. No, we don't.

The UK has a population density of 666 / sq mile. (hey... that's a little scary...)

If we matched them we would have a population of 2,534,796,000.

That's 2.5 Billion, or more than five times our current population.

If you can't see a problem with that...

 

[namedpipes]

Well, how do you? But yeah hot chicks welcome.

Hot chicks are ALWAYS welcome, especially those from countries having little or no modesty customs. Viva la Brazilian chicas!

 

[the_shootist]

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a wall. I said a bunch of times that those concerns are valid and that I share those concerns. IGWT was arguing against ALL immigration (except for hot girls and scientists apparently).

Did you read the very sentence after the one you put in bold?

What's wrong with the method that was used in the early 20th century? Everyone who came here were required to go through a process of immigration. Now they just come flowing in because they're 'refugees'??? Stop facing the wall and start critically thinking

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Hot chicks are ALWAYS welcome, especially those from countries having little or no modesty customs. Viva la Brazilian chicas!

Check for dicks first!

 

[omega42]

The UK has a population density of 666 / sq mile. (hey... that's a little scary...)

If we matched them we would have a population of 2,534,796,000.

That's 2.5 Billion, or more than five times our current population.

If you can't see a problem with that...

I see a problem with a strawman argument. The UK doesn't have large areas of desert or arctic tundra where dense (or any) population density is unsupportable.

 

[namedpipes]

I see a problem with a strawman argument. The UK doesn't have large areas of desert or arctic tundra where dense (or any) population density is unsupportable.

You can use "loaded" word to bias the reader all you want, but the geography of the US is not exactly desolate. You want to slice off the especially mountainous areas, fine, but our deserts are not exactly the Sahara and the only thing keeping the tundra from being populated is our cultural aversion to snow.

Take away Alaska entirely and lets also take the opportunity to dump California (it's going to slide into the Pacific eventually anyway and the area approximates the area lost to mountains).

So that yields US - AK - CA = P or 3.8m - 666k - 164k = 2,976,000 square miles of non desert, non frigid land. (why does 666 keep coming up in these figures?!)

That gives us a desired population of 1.9 billion.

Well, 600 million folks are just going to have to go somewhere else. Russia has lots of unoccupied land!

 

[In God We Trust]

I don't understand people's desire for immigration. Sure we were once immigrants (so were the Indians if you look back far enough) but this is ours now.

There is no benefit to us in bringing in 3rd world cave men. I know they are not all terrorists, but some will be. Even if none are, letting them in here serves no purpose


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[headednorth]

Regardless of whether theyre cavemen or terrorists or whatever, with real unemployment the way it is, and with the amount of people on taxpayer assistance, why let in a single person from anywhere? We're not obligated to take anyone in, and people outside the US dont have a RIGHT to be here. If we need engineers and there arent enough here now to meet the demand, allow enough people in who are qualified to fill an engineering position. If we need janitors, bring in people who are willing and qualified to be janitors. As of now, we're just importing poverty and dependency.

 

[CWulf]

I haven't read all the posts on this thread so this may have already been covered, but in my opinion the earlier waves of immigration were much more beneficial to this country than the current wave of illegals. Back in the 1800's and early 1900's was when a great deal of the European (Irish, Italian, German, etc) immigration occurred. The main difference between now and then is that when those people came they had two choices, work and assimilate or starve. There were no 'freebies' in the form of Social Security, Welfare, etc that are so easy to get now. The majority of past immigrants added to the country, the current waves, not so much. And, aside from the occasional communist or anarchist, back then we didn't have to worry about terrorists.

 

[mibro]

I see a problem with a strawman argument. The UK doesn't have large areas of desert or arctic tundra where dense (or any) population density is unsupportable.

Not desert or tundra no, but vast areas are owned by private landowners, the Scottish Highlands are empty and much of the rest is national parks or green belt. The population density is very high in the urban areas.

I was happy to leave the UK which is one giant experiment in overcrowding, 60 million rats in one big cage.