Shootout and explosions in Paris...

[namedpipes]

Different kinds of bombing.

If you leveled Muslim countries like we leveled a lot of Japan, gave a warning about attacking or supporting attackers again and we'll be back, AND THEN JUST LEFT, shit *might* change.

I could see that working.

 

[Artifact]

Bombing doesn't accomplish shit.

It didn't end the war in WW2. It didn't end the Korean War. It didn't end Vietnam - and it hasn't stopped anything in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The only thing that really stops a war - is bringing in troops - and fighting it out in the dirt. Which we have been failing at.

I CONSTANTLY hear people say " let's drop some bombs " - seriously , do you guys have Alzheimers? It's not like this is some military lesson from the distant past that people can poo-poo and ignore. It JUST HAPPENED - and it DIDN'T WORK.

Why don't you grab a rifle and go fight alongside the Kurds? That should give you plenty of foot time through the mountains.

 

[calsdad]

ok, I may be letting my Republican side show here but..............It's time to bomb them back to the stone age.

Again - how are "we" going to do that? Who and what are we bombing exactly? Are we bombing the slums outside Paris? Or are we bombing all the countries the ISIS fighters have come from - because they've come from dozens of countries?

Maybe we just go full retard and nuke everybody?

 

[Lip]

Why don't you grab a rifle and go fight alongside the Kurds? That should give you plenty of foot time through the mountains.

If I was south of 45 I would have lols.

 

[calsdad]

Just heard they will be debating the 3 month extension but that their President wants to make it permanent and change their constitution, their press is saying they should let him do it, it's the only way.... Oh boy.

Now maybe some of you guys will clue in that this whole "war on terror" - is nothing but a bullshit excuse...............


But I doubt it.

 

[pastera]

I work with two muslims
Muslim A tells me the terrorists don't represent islam but nothing is said by moderates because they are afraid of the extremists.
Muslim B tells me the terrorists are freedom fighters and use terror because they have no access to effective weapons or political voice.

Just anecdotal but that puts extreme views at 50% in my book.

 

[namedpipes]

Now maybe some of you guys will clue in that this whole "war on terror" - is nothing but a bullshit excuse...............


But I doubt it.

Us'ens ain't smaht nuff to unnerstan dat stuf

 

[jkelly1229]

I work with two muslims
Muslim A tells me the terrorists don't represent islam but nothing is said by moderates because they are afraid of the extremists.
Muslim B tells me the terrorists are freedom fighters and use terror because they have no access to effective weapons or political voice.

Just anecdotal but that puts extreme views at 50% in my book.

Muslim b would worry me if I were you

 

[calsdad]

While this is true do you really want these people around? I don't. This country is too crowded already. Even if 0 of them are "terrorists" a bunch of them are going to be joining the free shit army, and they'll be on the voter rolls in a year, whether it's legal or not. Good luck keeping moonbats/socialists out of office wherever these people manage to accumulate.

-Mike

Exactly.

Entirely besides the whole issue with "refugees" potentially being full of terrorists - why the hell are we importing ANYBODY else into the country? We've got another recession all cued up and ready to go, we've got a big problem assimilating the huge number of people who have already come in over the last 20 years or so, a lot of the people who come in somehow end up on government "assistance" programs for some reason - and we've got a crapload of the country that wasn't imported who are leaving on the govt. dole.

WHY? Why bring in ANY MORE?

I find it hilarious actually anybody on a gun site would argue for increased immigration. I know there are a number of people here on NES who are immigrants - but I don't believe that the VAST MAJORITY of people who come here are gun rights supporters.

 

[calsdad]

I think if this were the 40's a majority of NES would have supported the round up of the Japanese........

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Did you get this from a meme floating around Facebook? How big is the bowl? Are they peanut m&m's? Peanutbutter m&m's? Pretzel m&m's? What color are they?

You do know that there was an actual Japanese network of spies and saboteurs that was operative in the US and in some South American countries right?

This was a known thing as far back as the mid 1930's. I've seen newspaper articles from that time talking about it. It's not like FDR just pulled that thing out of his ass after Pearl Harbor. It was known thing FOR YEARS.

http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7661/

All in all, the outcome was a strange one, as our Naval Intelligence
intercepts proved with no doubt whatever that, during the war, the
Japanese had an extremely effective espionage network in the U.S. and
that the U.S. government had in its possession names and identification
of innumerable active Japanese agents. So as not to stir up race riots or
any such disturbances, the U.S. has never released the names of the
extraordinarily numerous Japanese agents in the U.S. The American
public consequently remains, to this day, ignorant of the massive
wartime Japanese intelligence operation in the United States.

Among the people hired to do research on the episode, 40 percent had
Japanese names — and many were militant civil rights activists who had
strongly spoken out in support of the Japanese and in favor of
reparations. These people were generally added to the hearings staff as
advisers. On the other hand, at the hearings, no reference whatever is
made of such works as John Costello’s excellent “The Pacific War.” “The
rising current of fear on the West Coast, and the evidence from the
MAGIC intercepts the previous year of espionage organizations” had been
key factors in ordering Japanese out of the West Coast. “MAGIC” was the
secret code word for top-secret American intercepts of Japanese military
communications. There are other books, studies and documents that could
have been consulted for the hearings. But they were not. Never.

The one man who everyone thinks could have shed the most light on the
compulsory evacuation of the West Coast by the Japanese was John J.
McCloy, assistant secretary of war at the time and, later, high
commissioner for Germany, U.S. disarmament coordinator, and president of
the World Bank. McCloy wrote to Sen. Charles Grassley:

From my personal appearance at the hearings of the Commission, I
believe its conduct was a horrendous affront to our tradition of fair
and objective hearings. Whenever I sought in the slightest degree to
justify the action of the United States, which was ordered by President
Roosevelt, my testimony was met, by hisses and boos such as I have never
been subject to. … It would have been quite simple for an objective
examiner of the Commission to have dug up the so-called MAGIC
revelations.

The few witnesses willing to testify on behalf of the government
complained that they were cut short, humiliated and sometimes lectured
by members of the commission. It is well nigh impossible to find
statements suggesting in any way that the government’s actions may have
been legitimate. Former Sen. Hayakawa was possibly the most
distinguished Japanese-American in the country, but no comment from him
can be found in the reports. Completely frustrated in making his views
known, Hayakawa finally sent a letter to the White House in which he
points out:

Japanese and Japanese-Americans in the Western states were relocated
during World War II for their own safety at a time when the U.S. and
Japan were at war. The relocation was in no way punitive. It was to
remove the Japanese from the coastal areas for fear of what might happen
to them if a hostile Japanese invasion force was to land on our shores.

Henry Stimson, FDR’s secretary of war, gave a similar protective
argument: “Anti-Japanese feeling on the West Coast had reached a level
which endangered the lives of all (Japanese) individuals.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7661/#mX8hcBxkjGd6PaSx.99

Point is : the decision was not just made on the spur of the moment - for NO reason.

 

[Bonesinium]

You do know that there was an actual Japanese network of spies and saboteurs that was operative in the US and in some South American countries right?

This was a known thing as far back as the mid 1930's. I've seen newspaper articles from that time talking about it. It's not like FDR just pulled that thing out of his ass after Pearl Harbor. It was known thing FOR YEARS.

http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7661/



Point is : the decision was not just made on the spur of the moment - for NO reason.

And the opposite point is that fact still probably doesn't justify doing what they did to everybody. With that said thanks for the link. Some interesting reading and things I did not know. Certainly sheds more light on the topic.

 

[calsdad]

I did not advocate invading with troops as we did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I said the point of dropping a bomb is to kill people, which in the context of a war, is a desirable outcome. (to kill the enemy)

I make no claim nor have any intention of being / becoming an expert on warfare technology. My opinions are my own and based on extensive reading of Tom Clancy novels.

In a guerilla war - who exactly is the enemy? Because indiscrimately dropping bombs - often strengthens your opponent - not weakens them.

The people who fought for this country's independence knew that. It's not a new trick.

 

[calsdad]

Hey, I'm for deporting immigrants here legally not contributing and those hereillegally. But that's a separate discussion than what was being addressed. Those problems get sorted out mainly by simply dismantling the entire welfare system. That's not going to happen without civil war or collapse.

Like I've said numerous times: People refuse to address the REAL problems, and then they just layer another problem and another and another on top of that until the whole sorry mess collapses.

 

[calsdad]

The Japanese might argue with you on that one.

They were ready to fight to the death until we nuked them. Agreed.

But even after the first one - the military still wanted to fight. In fact if I remember correctly - there was a faction that still wanted to fight after the SECOND one.

But it took nukes. Are we prepared to nuke the Mideast? I mean seriously - REALLY start nuking them?

Then that's not what we're talking about is it?

We're talking about sending over maybe a few B52's and blowing up some random shit. We're not even talking about Vietnam level bombing raids.

It doesn't work to achieve the goals that people think they're going to achieve with it.

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Why don't you grab a rifle and go fight alongside the Kurds? That should give you plenty of foot time through the mountains.

Why should I? It's not my ****ing problem is it?

 

[namedpipes]

In a guerilla war - who exactly is the enemy? Because indiscrimately dropping bombs - often strengthens your opponent - not weakens them.

The people who fought for this country's independence knew that. It's not a new trick.

So far you've managed to answer dozens of posts telling one person or all they are all wet and don't know what they're talking about while never actually saying what your idea is.

So what is your plan?

How do we defeat ISIS and their ilk?

 

[DSM_1]

Exactly.

Entirely besides the whole issue with "refugees" potentially being full of terrorists - why the hell are we importing ANYBODY else into the country? We've got another recession all cued up and ready to go, we've got a big problem assimilating the huge number of people who have already come in over the last 20 years or so, a lot of the people who come in somehow end up on government "assistance" programs for some reason - and we've got a crapload of the country that wasn't imported who are leaving on the govt. dole.

WHY? Why bring in ANY MORE?

I find it hilarious actually anybody on a gun site would argue for increased immigration. I know there are a number of people here on NES who are immigrants - but I don't believe that the VAST MAJORITY of people who come here are gun rights supporters.

Most of us here are immigrants unless you are Native American.

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[Boghog1]

Most of us here are immigrants unless you are Native American.

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Even the natives immigrated at one point in time, the Solutreans were the first in the Americas and they came from Europe, so technically only those of European decent should be able to claim native status.

 

[Rider]

Even the natives immigrated at one point in time, the Solutreans were the first in the Americas and they came from Europe, so technically only those of European decent should be able to claim native status.

If we go all the way back, everyone came from Africa, so we are all African-Americans, and everyone should just shut up about it. ;p

In any case, it's irrelevant. The discussion is about the right of any group of people to ensure their own safety when admitting new members, especially when the people charged with doing so have explicitly stated that the current process is inadequate.

Virtually everyone in a position to know - except Obama - has said the screening process is inadequate. Even Dianne Feinstein has said it's inadequate. It must be a cold day in Hell today. What I am trying to reconcile is the Democrats saying that the current process is fine and it takes over two years to vet someone except, um, they were ready to take refugees in immediately. Unless the plan is to bring them here then vet them, which seems to suggest that all the fearmongering is, um, just a reasonable voice of concern.

 

[spcantwell]

I am tired of all of the references to the Japanese internment camps. Compared to other countries at the same time period we were the best for taking care of the Japanese. Most other countries at the time we're flat out deporting or killing those from opponent nations. Didn't make it right but it makes it understandable.

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[Boghog1]

Hey inter them if that is what you want to do. He'll bomb the entire middle east and turn the place to glass and while we are at it do the same to any country that has a population with >50% Muslims, then you should be able to rest easy from fear of the boogie men

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Even the natives immigrated at one point in time, the Solutreans were the first in the Americas and they came from Europe, so technically only those of European decent should be able to claim native status.

I am so going to apply to Harvard now.

 

[EC1]

Most of us here are immigrants unless you are Native American.

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I guess being born in the US, I never considered myself and immigrant.

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noun im·mi·grant \ˈi-mə-grənt\

: a person who comes to a country to live there

 

[Rider]

I am tired of all of the references to the Japanese internment camps. Compared to other countries at the same time period we were the best for taking care of the Japanese. Most other countries at the time we're flat out deporting or killing those from opponent nations. Didn't make it right but it makes it understandable.

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It's kind of funny/odd seeing some of the 'libertarians' of NES using the now-standard liberal strategy of creating straw men and false analogies to discredit points of view for which they can't be bothered to present a cogent rebuttal.

This week I have been told by both Obama and people on NES that wanting to vet refugees more carefully is racist and the equivalent of interning the Japanese, and that not wanting to let more in is the equivalent of nuking the Middle East.

Sounds like full retard to me, so I guess I will pull the pin on this one as well.

 

[atilla]

imma leave this hear as i had to use it somewhere today.

 

[Sig Sauer Shooter]

What's with all of the Muslim immigrant ball washing?

 

[Boghog1]

What's with all of the Muslim immigrant ball washing?

So everyone from Syria is a Muslim?

 

[ChevyGuy91]

So everyone from Syria is a Muslim?

Yeah, you didn't know? They all **** goats too. None of them are white looking like the rest of us, so start hating or GTFO!

 

[spcantwell]

So everyone from Syria is a Muslim?

No but according to many reports I've seen which I'm sure you've seem too if you looked something like 90%+ of the refugees are Muslim with other religions only making up a small number

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[Boghog1]

No but according to many reports I've seen which I'm sure you've seem too if you looked something like 90%+ of the refugees are Muslim with other religions only making up a small number

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So maybe it isn't muslim ball washing, maybe some people think other people should be treated with respect until such a point they prove they are not worthy of basic courtesy

 

[Sig Sauer Shooter]

So maybe it isn't muslim ball washing, maybe some people think other people should be treated with respect until such a point they prove they are not worthy of basic courtesy

How about we start caring for our 50,000 homeless veterans who actually helped this country? Oh I forgot, we don't have the money for that. I could give 2 shits about refugees until we take care of our own first....