If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over.
Be sure to enter the NES/MFS May Giveaway ***Canik METE SFX***
Problem is the AG contradicts themselves.
Edict comes out "all post 94 Ars etc are illegal! bweah!" Then says "well, we won't prosecute you if it was owned before the edict date". Well which is it? make up your mind you stupid tyrant c***!
It's just a pile of shit. I would think anyone afraid of their own shadow that "didnt want to have to worry about that" would be sticking to pre94 guns, not just the "but we promise we wont prosecute you, even though I just said the gun was illegal 10 minutes ago" guns...
I don't even know its that so much as it is most of these people normally only buy guns at retail. (I know tons of people with LTCs that have never privately bought or sold a gun in their life) And retail in MA with dealers are going to be only "pre edict" and many are only doing "pre 94" as well. This "depiction" of "policy as law" has newbs thinking that it "actually is the law" as a form of brain disease.
-Mike
Yep. While it may not fall on you as an individual, the AG's bullspit is every bit real to dealers.
Wanna know what I wanna know - why do you never see a Gen1 Glock anymore??? Did everyone trade them in for new frames from Glock or something??? Obviously there are more Gen2 than Gen1 out there. But is it really 20:1 or 30:1 which is how it seems on the XC?
For starters Gen 1 hit the US in 1984 and they came out with Gen 2 in 1988. So only four years, versus the 10 years or so of each subsequent generation. Plus, I would presume, there was still a lot of bias against polymer so I imagine not too many sold relatively to later iterations.Wanna know what I wanna know - why do you never see a Gen1 Glock anymore??? Did everyone trade them in for new frames from Glock or something???
Wanna know what I wanna know - why do you never see a Gen1 Glock anymore??? Did everyone trade them in for new frames from Glock or something??? Obviously there are more Gen2 than Gen1 out there. But is it really 20:1 or 30:1 which is how it seems on the XC?
This is how I generally feel, but there's something distastefully lawyer in nature about trying to game legal grey area (I say grey area because while not true law you can still get legally dicked down with legal fees) that isn't actually legal grey area that just rubs me wrong.
The AGO knows their BS is just that - BS. They are dragging it out as long as they can, refusing to answer questions ("Use your judgement") as they know the faster we get their stance in writing the faster we can attack it. Trying to put as many dealers out of business as they can:
Add to this you have AG spies and dealers ratting other dealers out and it's a sh*t sandwich for everyone.
This behavior is repulsive. Neil Gorsuch summed this up very nicely lately with “a vague law is no law at all.” Hopefully they get smacked down by the courts stillThe AGO knows their BS is just that - BS. They are dragging it out as long as they can, refusing to answer questions ("Use your judgement") as they know the faster we get their stance in writing the faster we can attack it. Trying to put as many dealers out of business as they can:
Add to this you have AG spies and dealers ratting other dealers out and it's a sh*t sandwich for everyone.
I believe the phrase is vintage. The sale of collectible glocks is a joke like that other post I had with the engraved gold/silver glocks.For starters Gen 1 hit the US in 1984 and they came out with Gen 2 in 1988. So only four years, versus the 10 years or so of each subsequent generation. Plus, I would presume, there was still a lot of bias against polymer so I imagine not too many sold relatively to later iterations.
Gen 1 is pretty much a collector piece at this point.
That right there would be my fear. Yes, one might be in the right, but the process of defending yourself in court will end up costing time, money and aggravation.
The AG isn't going to go crim on this vs peons because then it runs the risk of exposing the whole facade. It's easier (and more beneficial) for them to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt and punish dealers administratively. They don't have to prove they're right in a court of law to simply shut down a dealer, especially if a dealer isn't going willing to go to the next level, legally. It's "law via goebbels effect" at its finest. EG: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "
-Mike
I would respectfully disagree. While they may not be to your or my tastes, there's absolutely people who purchase/collect the different generations and definitely spend more on, say, a Gen 1 G19 than what a Gen 5 would cost. People buy Gen 1s and keep them in a safe. Waste of money to me, but collectible nonetheless.I believe the phrase is vintage. The sale of collectible glocks is a joke like that other post I had with the engraved gold/silver glocks.
I don't know , ripping off someone uneducated isn't what I would call capitalism.
Asshattery would be a more descriptive term.
The old man and I got offered a pristine Parker double some woman found in the closet after her husband passed , for free.
Wonder if I would have gotten a round of applause if I posted here I had kept my mouth shut and took it from her.
Instead we took it to a dealer and put it up for consignment for her.
I believe in Karma.
Hey! I didn’t say they didn’t have value or a market. I said it was a joke. but I get what you mean. I can wrap my head around the gen 1 and what not as reference because it’s really no different than collecting service guns, but not the 5,000$ for the engraved glock (don’t hate expensive or engraved guns, just engraved glock is like having a gold plated screwdriver. It just isn’t there same way it’s not there for 3,000 “custom” glocks.That being said I could still be friends with somebody who collected engraved glocks, I’d just rib you to death about your bad taste.I would respectfully disagree. While they may not be to your or my tastes, there's absolutely people who purchase/collect the different generations and definitely spend more on, say, a Gen 1 G19 than what a Gen 5 would cost. People buy Gen 1s and keep them in a safe. Waste of money to me, but collectible nonetheless.
What isn't capitalism about it? Nobody is forcing the person to buy it.
Your analogy is flawed, big differences between some guy selling an overpriced gun vs taking advantage of the kindness of a widow.
While I think there’s disagreement about the law or lack there of currently. There hasn’t been much about the prehealey label on true name “banned” firearms. This post was mainly about the ones that aren’t named and yet still some label to fetch a premium that doesn’t actually belong.You would be a fool to not label your for sale AR as pre-Healey. That's a commonly accepted marketing term now on NES. The guys willing to pay $1,000+ for an Anderson+AR Stoner combos are not getting ripped off. They're meatballs for sure, but that's the premium they're willing to pay for being late to the show.
While I think there’s disagreement about the law or lack there of currently. There hasn’t been much about the prehealey label on true name “banned” firearms. This post was mainly about the ones that aren’t named and yet still some label to fetch a premium that doesn’t actually belong.
It was like seeing the $950 glock 27s with the lasermax and the punisher slide plate on the back and oversized chrome slide stop
Gun is just moderately glad to see you.You know... I was so distracted by the poo-stipple job that I didn't see the little gun penis sticking out without the trigger guard. Now I feel extra stupid. hahaha I'm guessing it's a joke though unlike the garbage ads we've been talking about on this post.
Let the buyer beware.Adding pre-healey, rare in MA, Hillery’s coming, etc, allows the seller to up the price of a 400.00 firearm to about 1500.00.
Capitalizing on the everyday fear mongering that goes on and raking not so experienced buyers over the coals.
Are there any threads out there that seriously analyze the legal merit of Healey's BS from a state law perspective? I have thoughts but don't want to hijack this thread...
Read the posts above - the problem isn't whether her obviously wrong interpretation is right or wrong, it's that she uses her unlimited power/budget/time to strongarm dealers into compliance (or for her ultimate goal - to put them out of business).
Having said that there are a few old threads on it, the 7/20 megathread and the lawsuit threads (search Worman, Pullman).
Search Results for Query: 7/20 | Northeastshooters.com Forums
Worman v. Baker - Commonwealth Second Amendment, Inc. (comm2a.org)
I'm asking for something very specific here - you're describing a moral wrong but not a legal cause of action, the Comm2a lawsuit addresses federal constitutional violations, and not much else I can find seriously addresses the validity of her BS from a state law perspective. This is what the Baystate / CCGW lawsuit is about. It's a much closer call than it's being made out to be here.