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What's the use for this gun? If people are rioting, I'm not heading to the grocery store where they are; anywhere I do go I'd rather be discreet and just bring my usual EDC pistol. If the rioters come after me at home, PCC be damned - I want maximum firepower. The idea of running around with a sub2k in your backpack that you can whip out and start taking out bad guys is just not realistic imo, much like trunk guns.What are your thoughts on PCCs for SHTF in an urban environment?
I'm thinking of scenarios such as political civil unrest, FSA riots if the EBT system goes down, etc. where order would be restored but not for days or weeks--something like the LA riots. In an environment where buildings are clustered in close quarters, would one be better served with a PCC like a sub2000 with compatible pistol mags, as opposed to an AR or AK platform rifle?
I would think that a fear of a semi-auto ban would have people buying MORE semi-autos, not less, and that if they really do come for your semi-autos then it's time to use them, but what do I know.Prior to the defeat of the Felonious Pantsuit l was worried about the potential ban of all semi autos, especially in MA. I added a Henry lever action and a Ruger bolt action rifle, both in 357 mag, to the arsenal. I really like my 357 revolvers and see them as very useful in SHTF situations. Plus, I thought (potentially incorrect) that they wouldn't be coming after traditional Fudd guns right away. I saw these guns as insurance against efforts to to take away all semi autos. My thinking at the time was that even a vastly empowered, democratally controlled gov't wouldn't dare to take away FUDD guns. Good insurance!
Gotta go with the bfg 9000 that's what i have in the trunkI carry a phase plasma rifle - usually in the 40-watt range - in my trunk at all times for urban combat situations.
What? I thought we were all playing pretend. Urban combat??????
Suppressability is another advantage a PCC has over most rifles.SBR with a can sounds like a good deal.
Suppressed Tavor in 9mm; too bad there are few options for a pistol caliber pistol taking the same "Colt/UZI" magazines.I have a Tavor and a G19 ready in a go bag in my apt in the city to get me where I am going in SHTF/WROL.
I can't think of any SHTF fantasy scenario where I would want a PCC over an actual carbine
I guess if all you had left was pistol ammo, then it really is SHTF time!!
I carry a phase plasma rifle - usually in the 40-watt range - in my trunk at all times for urban combat situations.
What? I thought we were all playing pretend. Urban combat??????
That's a post-judgment-day.is it a pre ban?
I really like my 357 revolvers and see them as very useful in SHTF situations.
Can you elaborate on why? I like the idea of a Henry in .357 for home defense.
In order of attacker distance:
.308AR, Ruger GSR .308
Scoped AR rifle
Dot-sighted carbine AR
870 pump
.45 1911
.357
9mm
.380
golf clubs
Leatherman tool
Kel Tec RFB...
In SHTF situation, I'm assuming you won't be held accountable for your shots and anything goes. And other people might be shooting back at you. Then it would make sense to have a capable rifle to end any fight quickly. Red dot on a 14.5" carbine or SBR. I like my AR9s, but they're not something I would bet my life on. And if someone was shooting rifle rounds at you, that Sub2000 is pretty much dominated.
The OP was talking about civil unrest type of SHTF rather than zombie apocalypse, grid down for good SHTF.
I think a realistic possibility is an environment where society is still functioning but there's so much crime or unrest that you'd want a foldable rifle in your backpack when you walk around. I'd still prefer an AR, if things are bad enough I'll open carry it.
The OP was talking about civil unrest type of SHTF rather than zombie apocalypse, grid down for good SHTF.
I think a realistic possibility is an environment where society is still functioning but there's so much crime or unrest that you'd want a foldable rifle in your backpack when you walk around. I'd still prefer an AR, if things are bad enough I'll open carry it.
I don't have golf clubs, will a wiffle ball bat do?
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However, my model B UZI that is SBR'd is a tank and has a long proven track record of urban/suburban combat use which the SUB2K does not. Too bad there wasn't a handgun that took UZI mags!
rifle will always be more lethal. I wouldn't trust my life with a kel tech...sorry. If you want a pistol cailber carbine get an UZI rugged, reliable, cheap pre bans lots of surplus parts, compact.
What are your thoughts on PCCs for SHTF in an urban environment?
I'm thinking of scenarios such as political civil unrest, FSA riots if the EBT system goes down, etc. where order would be restored but not for days or weeks--something like the LA riots. In an environment where buildings are clustered in close quarters, would one be better served with a PCC like a sub2000 with compatible pistol mags, as opposed to an AR or AK platform rifle?
There is, the UZI Pistol:
Where are you finding cheap UZI's ??? (9mm's, not the current .22 replicas)
Or go the other direction, be The Gray Man, with a short PCC, suppressor, and subsonic ammo.Obrez. Crowd clearing fireball and noise will compensate for lack of capacity. Plus you will look badass.
When the EBT cards stop working I intend to be as far away from "urban" as I can get. The best way to survive civil unrest is to be somewhere else at the time.
Just one more opinion:
Several people posted open carrying a 'battle rifle', I disagree. If I was aware a problem might develop and I still went into downtown NO, the last thing I'd want is a slung rifle marking me. You're going to have police running around WAY outside their comfort zone, not to mention FSA looking to pick up fire sale items. Both of these classes of people will probably react unfavorably to someone with a visible weapon.