NRA Florida Lobbyist Marion Hammer: Non-Approved Board Candidates Are “The Enemy Within”

The endorsement system goes far beyond choosing who gets to join the club. Once in, all board members know their re-election depends on not rocking the boat, questioning $400K+ salaries or doing anything else to upset business as usual and going along to get along.

The real shame is that board members are selected on two criteria: An understanding they will not rock the boat, and well as celebrity/fame. The nominating committee seems to think holding political office or being a national level shooting champion qualifies one for a leadership position.
 
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http://www.2acheck.c...-list-of-antis/ first off do a re-read of the anti gun companies published by NRA and make sure they don't get one cent.

Secondly when I was with the Army Small Cal Lab at Picatinny Arsenal one of the guys in our section had a saying: " Putting lots of rounds in the air is considered Fire Power-- The definition of firepower is more misses per minute.

Third I am definitely NOT APPROVED.

A guy on another forum had a interesting take on voting in which he said, "I always vote for non approved candidates unless there is a reason not to and I never vote for approved candidates unless there is a reason to do so.

To listen to the anti bump stock crowd, having a bump stock raises your skill level to Sniper 1st Class.

I was detailed to conduct a Hit Probability Study on five full auto shoulder fired weapons when I was at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center management wanted. I had already tried to explain that such would be a waste of ammo but I set up the test.

1. built a 8 ft square frame faced with plywood.
2. covered face with news print (got end rolls of it from local newspaper)
3. fired only three shot bursts and this was controlled by only loading three rounds in mag at a time.
4. The original Test Plan was to conduct standing testing from 25, 50 and 100 yards. with the first shot to be aimed dead center of mass on a Transtar Silhouette target. The target was placed at ground level to make sure shots off the target paper were recorded. Both left and right hand shooters were utilized.

5. Each shooter shot ten 3 shot bursts and we photographed the targets after each string.

Basically all candidates delivered the same results= in a word POOR

From 25 yards the first shot was dead center, the second shot just caught the silhouette or just missed it at the edge of the shoulder. Left hand shooters shot strings went up and left, right hand shooters went up and right. The third shots from all candidates was about 24 to 36 inches above the second shot. The aiming target was replaced and masking tape put over holes that completely missed the aiming target.

When that series was completed we moved back to 50 yards. Again first shot was center, the second shots completely missed the silhouette target and a number of the third shots completely missed the 8X8 board ! ! !

Basically we had a saying at the Army Small Cal Lab that misses are moon shots.

The 100 yard series was canceled.

I got detailed to go to Miami and evaluate a 9MM SMG they had got hold of that this guy had persuaded management was a fantastically accurate MG. I went down and this guy showed me this "marvel" and I said lets go to the range and we went.

We set up a Transtar Target at 25 yards and I told the portrayer that he was going to do the complete test and I would watch.

First off we loaded up a 30 round mag and I told him to fire the entire magazine in the method he deemed most appropriate for a shooting situation as fast as he could. Thus he could shoot anything from a short burst to a 30 shot burst, his option. He was a bit sharper than what I had evaluated him as being and he used short bursts.

When the first shot was fired I started a stop watch and when bolt remained to the rear I stopped the watch. I showed him the elapsed time. We went down and removed the target and laid it on the ground and put up another and we went back and I told him to place the selector on semi auto and shoot 30 rounds as fast as he could and to stop when I put my hand on his shoulder which was the same number of seconds he utilized on the first mag.

On the first string he had like six hits in the silhouette and the second string he had like 16 hits with a much smaller group. He still had 14 rounds in the mag thus he had twice the time to empty the mag in a real shooting and be effective about twice as long.

I took the target off and laid it on the ground next to the first target to photograph them and I said to him, "Now explain to me how full auto is more effective than semi-auto." After a few seconds he said, "Well full auto is more fun."

When I was asked by the Army Materials Systems Analysis Activity to conduct the accuracy/dispersion validation on the AK-74 I got to be good friends with their analyst and was invited to his home several times for dinner which was only a few as I transferred to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center about three months after the AK-74 test and was on a house hunting trip in February. He told me he had supervised lots of hit probability studies in his career and he stated, "if you ever see a test result that says full auto is more effective then semi auto it was a rigged test."

To hear these anti bump stock folks just having a bump stock will increase the hit probability which I am not buying.

I don't have one, don't want one, don't know anyone that has one but I would sure like to do a Hit Probability Study (described above) with one and the only reason I see for outlawing them is so the politicians can say they "felt our pain" and "had to do something" to get the press off them.

By my read the bump stock was correctly classified by the ATF years ago. If applying external influence to a semi auto makes it a machinegun then they are going to have to pass laws requiring amputation of thumbs, forefingers, sticks, belt loops and one guy says he can get his to run with a rubber band I would like to see.

There are only six competition shooters on the board if my info is correct. I was in a wreck in 2013, wound up with C5, 6 and 7 fused in my neck. I know four other shooters that had the same surgery and could not come back and it doesn't look like I will be able to either. That is why I have only four words in my bio about shooting "Double Distinguished and Presidents 100".

To my knowledge only one other board member has testified before Congress , Ollie North thus I would make the second and I was asked to testify by Chairman J J Pickle after working with his investigators for two years on the public corruption issues I found including violations of the 68 Gun Control Act by Federal Agents.
 
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I like him as well, however, he has not been given endorsement by the politburo so he will lose.

Much better for the NRA insider's agenda to get some window dressing with a familiar name than someone who is the real deal.

He points out an interesting irony. If school shooters had full auto weapons, there might have been fewer victims.
 
If school shooters had full auto weapons, there might have been fewer victims.

Exactly correct. And if he had a 12 ga with 0 Buck it would have been far worse. Then again when have a law enforcement agency you can't depend on things are not about to get better.

Yep I may well lose because people tend to be lazy and don't vote or they think the Nominating Committee knows best. I worked on my bio about an hour a day for five weeks getting it exactly like I wanted it with the right combination of words. You only get 150 words and mine is 148 by their count.
 
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Dover Devil Machinegun Cal 50, The above was set up to let an entire infantry officer basic class fire it and after the ammo arrived a call came in that said they were not coming but going to a social event somewhere. The ammo couldn't be turned in after being opened and we shot up about 30 cans of ball. There was also a Mark 19 Grenade Launcher the Navy came down to demo and I shot up about ten cans of and I can tell you it is awesome once you get the range. I could put a 5 shot burst on an M48 Tank Turret at 600 yards and that really impressed me.

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This was Ser No 1, the gun in top pic was serial number 2, 3, 4 or 5 as a result of the Special Projects Group's Mission. There was also a 20MM version built. Whole system was designed and built at Picatinny Arsenal,NJ. 1.8 million $ for four guns.
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Barrel change in 3 to 5 seconds, no timing or headspace adjustment, weighs 55 lbs, can be fired from a LMG tripod. loaded two belts at same time. Barrel change without downloading the system.Gas operated. In above pic a ball round and just fired and bolt has not unlocked as yet.
 
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Just wish I had known about it years ago. I can no longer get on arfcom because if you are on AOL, and a few others their site won't let you in. I post on several forums and by and large my posts are about things 99% of shooters don't think about and before I went to work at the Army Small Cal Lab had no inkling of thinking about. Robert E. (Roscoe) Picard was my main trainer and he started at Springfield Armory Mass in 1950 and he retired in 82. I was the last one he trained and he is now buried in Kewanee, Illinois after a few years in a nursing home.

I went to work there and I will never (I hope) forgot the first thing he said to me.

1. The head is at the end of the hall pointing that direction.
2. The coffee pot is in the Chief's office pointing that direction.
3. Pointing at me he said, "We don't sign off on anything around here to make a vendor happy. We are here to get the best we can get for the troops and nothing less. Is that clear?"

Now that being said when I walked in I had been as competition shooter 20 or 21 years. I had been reloading the same amount of time. I held a NRA Master Card in Smallbore Prone and Highpower Rifle and had been on a US Dewar Team and the 1976 US Palma Team. So I thought I knew something about guns. Within 15 minutes I realized I knew nothing compared to the folks I just got dropped in the middle of and they gave me a education that cannot be obtained in any school. Then I got asked to come to Aberdeen Proving Ground and as I got my certification as a Small Arms and Ammunition Test Director I was exposed to more training the average person has ever seen or knows about and per Yogi Berra who said "you don't know what you don't know till you know what you don't know."

The older guys here may have heard of William S. Brophy (author of Book of the Springfield) and others, L. F. (Larry) Moore who won more long range trophies than anyone at Camp Perry and W.C. (Bill) Davis who is the white haired guy with flat top haircut you see on History Channel talking about weapons. They too were Test Directors at Aberdeen PG well before I arrived and all three were friends.
 
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Mr. Humphreville: Welcome to the forum, and thanks for your contributions to our national defense. Procrastinator that I am, my ballot is still stuck in the February issue of American Rifleman. When I mark it, my first vote will be for you, and I was wondering if there are other candidates whom you would recommend? I have met one or two, and a few I know by reputation. There are none from the six New England states, where we have to fight for our second amendment rights on a daily basis.
 
Woodstock, Thanks much for your support. Insofar as voting goes I saw this on another forum which fits in very well with my mindset which is. "I always vote for those not blessed by the nominating committee unless there is a reason not to and I never vote for those that have the nominating committee blessing unless there is a reason to''.



I generally vote for no more than four unless Lt Col Robert K Brown endorses some. Below are the names he has endorsed this year. He is a long time NRA director and former editor/publisher of Soldier of Fortune Magazine. I trust his judgement. Click on below.

Lt. Col Robert K. Brown USAR (ret.), the man to vote for for NRA Board - Soldier of Fortune Magazine

He is running again this year and at the bottom of this article he has identified those he is supporting. If you read down to the bottom of the above http you will note he is endorsing me which is quite an honor.

I know Bob Brown because we were both very good friends with a mutual friend (who has passed) and we both really miss him though he has been gone over 30 years. His friends have erected a website to him: larry dring - Bing

To put it in simpler terms any friend of Larry Dring Jr. is a friend of ours. I have known Larry III since he was 3 and I used to pick him up and take him to college with me to give his Mom (had another little one at home) a break when Larry Jr got deployed to 46th SF Co. Thailand in early 70s. Larry worked for Bob Brown in SF. Larry III is getting ready to retire as an 05 in a few months and we have maintained contact ever since.

However keep this in mind. I am told the majority of votes go in quickly, then they go down to a trickle for about six weeks and then the last two weeks leading up to the deadline they pick back up and these are the critical ballots that determine those of the bottom of the pile. Obviously those not nominated are there as most folks vote just like the nominating committee blesses. People in that area are referred to as being "in the bubble" and it is critical they get every vote they can. The last petition director elected was Lt. Col Allen West a couple years ago so the election is not necessarily over and every vote counts.




 
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As of today there is about five weeks left to get ballots into the firm that counts the votes so taking off a week for mail from places that just don't get good mail delivery might mean longer. Hal Johnson was the small arms specialist at the Foreign Science and Technology Center and he told me it took three weeks for him to get first class mail. I was in Canada with a friend and was with him when he mailed his house payment two weeks early. It did not arrive back in DC area till a week after the deadline. So please dig those ballots out of February magazines. If you get digital ballots and it has not arrived call 800 672 3888 immediately and get one coming to you.
 
He points out an interesting irony. If school shooters had full auto weapons, there might have been fewer victims.

I hate to say this, but we're going to end up giving the antis fuel for the fire by pointing out logical realities such as this. In an effort to defend bump stocks, we might just be giving them ammunition to use against us with semi-autos. Remember, she's watching.

That said, I found your posts extremely interesting, and I too hope you stick around.
 
Tim Knight, Bob Brown, Mark Humphreville, Adam Kraut and because I like them Ronnie Barrett & Bob Nosler (and the first two names I marked when I got the ballot)

Mailing today
 
If you have not voted you have less than three weeks to get your ballot filled out and mailed in. It has to BE IN THEIR HANDS BY APRIL 15th. The ballot is in the February NRA Mags.
 
Welcome and thank you for your posts, I look forward to seeing more of the history you have to share.
I've cast my ballot and your name was checked.
 
Thanks much, it is now crunch time. As I understand it there is a running tally of how election is progressing and they already know who 20 or so of the most votes were for and they pretty well know who the bottom two are but there are like three to five "in the bubble" that the last votes in in last two weeks make the difference. A director has told me the last two weeks are critical as there is a rush as the very last.

Talon 3, thanks much.
 
Today or tomorrow is about the last day you can mail your ballot in as it has to be at the company on April 14th Saturday. Mail arriving later will not be opened or counted. Thanks much yawl for your support.
 
Found out yesterday myself nor Adam Kraut got elected. I have since heard two other directors were not re-elected. Just wanted to thank you all for voting for me. Humpy
 
Found out yesterday myself nor Adam Kraut got elected. I have since heard two other directors were not re-elected. Just wanted to thank you all for voting for me. Humpy
Sorry to hear this. Thanks for all the information you've provided and good luck and best wishes with your future endeavors.
 
They lost me at "Illegals = no gun rights."

Not me. I don't think they have any constitutional rights. Those are reserved for citizens and those who are here legally. You extend the 2nd to them than you must extend them all. I'm not down with that. If you're an illegal - you're not a citizen or a migrant, you're a hostile invader/occupier. You're entitled to the rights outlined in the Geneva Convention as a prisoner of war. But that's it.
 
Not me. I don't think they have any constitutional rights. Those are reserved for citizens and those who are here legally. You extend the 2nd to them than you must extend them all. I'm not down with that. If you're an illegal - you're not a citizen or a migrant, you're a hostile invader/occupier. You're entitled to the rights outlined in the Geneva Convention as a prisoner of war. But that's it.
So you're a big supporter of the Dred Scott ruling, then?

SCOTUS declared in 1857 that no one of African ancestry could have the same rights as citizens, because then they would have the right to keep and bear arms, gather in public with freedom of association, and have the right to free speech. Horror!

The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights given to people based on their citizenship. It is a declaration that pre-existing rights cannot be abridged by government.

If "illegal immigrants" have no constitutional rights, then they stopped and searched without any probable cause or even reasonable suspicion. They can be compelled to testify against themselves. They can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. They can have their property seized without recourse.

Maybe you think this is a good thing, but tell me: how do you prove to the cop on the street that you're not an illegal immigrant?
 
Illegal immigrants’ very presence violates laws of this country, and as a result, the first priority is for them to be compelled to leave the country. During the deportation process, due process must be followed and the prospective deportees should be afforded protections guaranteed by the Constitution.

RKBA is a natural right, which the deportees can freely exercise wherever they can rightfully reside. You kind of lose the right of armed self-protection to some degree when you are politely asked to leave. An imperfect analogy would be that an illegal immigrant is free to give a public speech for her rights as an illegal immigrant, but the speech can also be used for prima facie cause for detention and deportation.

P. S. Sorry for piling on to the tread drift.
 
So you're a big supporter of the Dred Scott ruling, then?

SCOTUS declared in 1857 that no one of African ancestry could have the same rights as citizens, because then they would have the right to keep and bear arms, gather in public with freedom of association, and have the right to free speech. Horror!

The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights given to people based on their citizenship. It is a declaration that pre-existing rights cannot be abridged by government.

If "illegal immigrants" have no constitutional rights, then they stopped and searched without any probable cause or even reasonable suspicion. They can be compelled to testify against themselves. They can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. They can have their property seized without recourse.

Maybe you think this is a good thing, but tell me: how do you prove to the cop on the street that you're not an illegal immigrant?

Then by your own logic any foreign invading hostile force would have constitutional rights the moment they step on American soil. Because - after all, those rights cannot be abridged by our government. That is an interpretation I wholeheartedly reject.

So yes - I agree with the notion that criminal aliens have no constitutional rights. I have no problem with them being compelled to testify against themselves. We as a nation do not subject anyone to cruel and unusual punishment by way of our moral compass and besides, it's also forbidden under the Geneva Convention. So as an enemy detainee they have that protection.

The only gray area is identifying them from among citizens who have the right to be free of unreasonable stops and searches. The criminal aliens do not have any such protection. The answer to that is somewhat simple - profiling. It's a dirty word here but it's practiced almost everywhere else in the world and it works.
 
The criminal aliens do not have any such protection.
Your declaration does not make this so. In fact, this issue was raised as a reductio ad absurdum in Fletcher v. Hass, where our side asked the opposition "If the bill of rights does not apply to non-citizens, does that mean their cars and homes may be tossed without cause or warrant?". The state answered Yes. The court disagreed.
 
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