New Keltec KSG 12 Gauge bullpup pump gun (14+1)

[JayD]

Id like to see a price point but I think it would be a fun range toy

 

[schnips]

Why wouldn't it be?

you never know

 

[Twigg]

This is completely ridiculous.

I must have one.

 

[ChargingCharlie]

This is completely ridiculous.

I must have one.

If by "ridiculous" you mean "ridiculously badass" then you, sir, are correct!

 

[calsdad]

That is pretty freaking cool.

Dammit - another gun in the "Do Want" list.

 

[SKS Ray]

For a lesser price you could probably bullpup a Saiga 12 and stick a 20 round drum in it.

 

[Broc]

you think this will be legal in MA?

it seems too evil looking for Mass.

 

[MACGYVR]

you think this will be legal in MA?

it seems too evil looking for Mass.

Why wouldn't it be? It's just a pump shotgun with a 14 round tube.

 

[Broc]

Why wouldn't it be? It's just a pump shotgun with a 14 round tube.

because this is Massachusetts. Where you cant have folding stocks for rifles, but you can have them for pump shotguns. where you can hunt a coyote with a .50 cal rifle, but cant use a rifled slug except during deer season...

 

[matt1956]

I dont see why it wouldnt be ma legal... other then looking entirely scary and evil lol

but it doesnt have a detachable mag, is a pump... not a colapsable stock...

unless the overall length is an issue... i dont see it violating the law.

but yea... I want one... even if it doenst work, lol... it just looks scary!

 

[flintoid]

although I agree with Ray's sentiments (Saiga 12 FTW), I can't help but drool at this magnificent creation

The "shortiness" of this thing does have a black hole like pull on me.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

I wonder if the ends of the mag tubes are just thread on caps so you could add 2 +2 extensions and have 18+1...

 

[chris_1001]

Me likes!

 

[newenglandjeff]

Dear Kel-Tec,

Enclosed is a signed check. Please write in whatever amount will get me that gun.

 

[TheRoland]

Dear Kel-Tec,

Enclosed is a signed check. Please write in whatever amount will get me that gun.

That's about how I feel, but first I'd like them to:

• Make it work.
• Get it into production.

Since it's Kel-Tec, I'm going to go ahead and not set aside the purchase price just yet.

 

[calsdad]

I dont see why it wouldnt be ma legal... other then looking entirely scary and evil lol

but it doesnt have a detachable mag, is a pump... not a colapsable stock...

unless the overall length is an issue... i dont see it violating the law.

but yea... I want one... even if it doenst work, lol... it just looks scary!

This is what I wonder too - is this MA legal?

I've shown it to a few people and they come back and say " no way that could be MA legal" - but I think that's a reflexive reaction to the sheer awesomeness of it.

Need somebody who remembers the MA laws better than I do to say that MA legalness of this.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

It is a pump shot gun, it is of legal length, I don't understand the gut reaction to call this not legal.

 

[wolf223]

start working them shoulders!

 

[lupis42]

It is a pump shot gun, it is of legal length, I don't understand the gut reaction to call this not legal.

The gut reaction is "I want it... therefore it's probably not MA legal".

The only other consideration that I can see is the obvious capacity issue, but it's been beaten to death on this forum that pump-shotguns are not limited to 5 rounds, so there's really nothing in MA law that it could run afoul of.

The governor's jackasses will begin pushing for new legislation shortly.

 

[jar]

it's been beaten to death on this forum that pump-shotguns are not limited to 5 rounds, so there's really nothing in MA law that it could run afoul of.

Everyone says that but I can't justify it based on the law. Pump shotguns are prevented from being 'large capacity weapons' and 'assault weapons', but I can't find anything that exempts a magazine over 5 rounds from being a 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' because it's attached to a pump gun.

 

[ChargingCharlie]

Everyone says that but I can't justify it based on the law. Pump shotguns are prevented from being 'large capacity weapons' and 'assault weapons', but I can't find anything that exempts a magazine over 5 rounds from being a 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' because it's attached to a pump gun.

If it was against the law then I can assure you there wouldn't be ONE dealer in this state willing to risk their license to sell them. The only thing I can think of is that it is legal if it comes from the factory with a higher capacity than 5 as a pump shotgun.

 

[TheRoland]

If it was against the law then I can assure you there wouldn't be ONE dealer in this state willing to risk their license to sell them. The only thing I can think of is that it is legal if it comes from the factory with a higher capacity than 5 as a pump shotgun.

While I'm of the opinion this is legal, gun stores are not lawyers.

EDIT:

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting,

Huh. It seems like it depends if a tube is a "magazine" or "similar device". That's a little disturbing, and pretty grey.

 

[KMS]

I would be interested in it after durability reviews...seems like a whole lotta polymer on it though.. that and a combination high brass could equal fail.

 

[jar]

If it was against the law then I can assure you there wouldn't be ONE dealer in this state willing to risk their license to sell them. The only thing I can think of is that it is legal if it comes from the factory with a higher capacity than 5 as a pump shotgun.

I would never trust my freedom to a dealer. I once had a dealer tell me that he couldn't sell me hi-cap M&P magazines, but that if S&W sent them to me for the rebate by mistake I was good to go.

 

[ChargingCharlie]

Yeah but, from what I understand, the high capacity feeding device laws are part of the AWB and only pertain to semi-automatics.

 

[ChargingCharlie]

This is off of the Foxborough PD's website in the FAQ section:

Effective October 21,1998, the law establishes a new category of large capacity weapons and feeding devices. A weapon is large capacity if it is a semiautomatic handgun or rifle that is capable of accepting a feeding device that holds more than 10 rounds, or more than 5 shotgun shells (in the case of a shotgun).

 

[beaker]

Maybe SBR it?

Where's MichealJR, I bet this thing would fit in the Noveske backpack.

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[glide]

If it was against the law then I can assure you there wouldn't be ONE dealer in this state willing to risk their license to sell them.

I can think of several that would.

 

[beaker]

It looks like the RFB a bit. I've checked it a couple of RFB's and theyare a cut or two above the other keltec stuff I've seen. If they can make them I can see them becoming the new shape of evil. Plus I like the bullpups. I bet it is a heavy bitch when full.

although I agree with Ray's sentiments (Saiga 12 FTW), I can't help but drool at this magnificent creation

The "shortiness" of this thing does have a black hole like pull on me.

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[DickWanner]

Everyone says that but I can't justify it based on the law. Pump shotguns are prevented from being 'large capacity weapons' and 'assault weapons', but I can't find anything that exempts a magazine over 5 rounds from being a 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' because it's attached to a pump gun.

The BATFE did not consider a fixed tube attached to a pump shotgun during the fed ban to be a LCFD, so I'm going to go with that determination. Hell, everyone in MA already looks at the fed definitions for everything else AWB so why not here?