Man arrested at BU trying to carry guns into graduation ceremony

[JCV]

I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
*******

 

[mark056]

I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
*******

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This might be problematical. If these are the guns that were seized and are posted by a member of the department that did the arrest, then this could be a problem. Someone with CJIS access could run the serial numbers. We have evidence showing up on social media with no apparent authorization. I know that pictures released to the media of evidence such as firearms and drugs seized in raids but with the blessing of the department's public affairs or media relations office, but this does not appear to be the case here. If someone wanted to make an issue of this, there might be something to it. If I were Massa's attorney, and if the guns in question are his and his spouse's and if they are being used in the criminal case being developed against him (not the civil action of having his LTC revoked) this could prove to be helpful on Massa's side IMO.

Disclaimer: The above is strictly an opinion by a private citizen and does constitute legal advice or a legal opinion. I am not an attorney nor should the above statement be construed in any manner as being rendered by one admitted to practice law in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
*******

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[GaryO]

I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
*******

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You should post his instagram account.

I think it probably is BS, why aren't they evidence tagged and loose ammo around the mags? PUHLEEZE!

 

[JCV]

What are you calling BS on?
Are they the guns? I hope not. Does the guy who posted them work for that department? You bet your ass he does.

 

[Fixxah]

If he/she sticks around, he/she will learn that it is more than plenty anti-LEO!!

How many qualify? Twenty out of 50,000? A few to label the many? More like anti-bad apple.

-Proud to be dad every day, a licensed plumber most days, and wish I was a shoemaker on others.

 

[Martlet]

There is a certain anti-authority bias that manifests itself on NES that some construe to be anti-LEO. It's more of a rage against societal constraints and an urge to vent. I will make a cultural reference that many will not know but some will: It's like a Rebel without a cause thing. It has always been with us but has only exacerbated since the 1960's and 1970'a=s when the education system decided that it was more important to become self-actualized than educated. Many are just as much snowflakes as the ones that they criticize as sheeple or on the left, it just manifests itself in a different way. I suppose I am just as guilty too, but in the end we are all at the center of our own universes.

Or perhaps a decent portion of NES is just anti-LE.

 

[Len-2A Training]

1. Violation of a restriction is a civil, not an criminal offense.

2. There is no "arrest", however, one may be cited.

This guy was not "cited". It was full-fledged bust, with him being jailed, LTC flying off into space, guns confiscated, psycho evaluation, possible loss of his physical therapist license and his livelihood. High price for stupidity!

Rob, don't confuse the law with what a PO can do if he wants. Whether or not it holds up in court or is legal is another matter entirely. Disorderly conduct, failure to obey a police officer, etc. are really nice catch-alls that can be used when nothing else is appropriate to justify an arrest.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Rob, don't confuse the law with what a PO can do if he wants. Whether or not it holds up in court or is legal is another matter entirely. Disorderly conduct, failure to obey a police officer, etc. are really nice catch-alls that can be used when nothing else is appropriate to justify an arrest.

Agreed, however, I doubt that a routine restriction violation case will cause personal bankruptcy, loss of employment, family breakup, etc. And, the BU case is FAR from typical.

I know a BU police officer from the shooting community - nice person. I do know from talking to him that the BU police are very, very territorial about the gun issue and even refuses to let off duty police from other jurisdictions carry in its sporting arenas.

 

[Coyote33]

I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
*******

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By wrong hands, does he mean the police? Was this a sarcastic post?

 

[JCV]

His post was far from sarcastic

 

[rjh200]

His post was far from sarcastic

I really hope you lit them up letting them know you disapprove. These people believe what they are doing is right and any chance we have to make them second guess that needs to be taken.

Mark I am not even going to validate you posts with a response.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk

 

[Chevy 2 65]

What are you calling BS on?
Are they the guns? I hope not. Does the guy who posted them work for that department? You bet your ass he does.

Someone else already mentioned it. Why are they loose in a drawer and rounds in the mags etc..

 

[drgrant]

Does he deserve it? No, but we all know that the other side is playing hardball, and playing for keeps and on Tuesday when the new gun control bill is introduced the fun is just beginning. Do you find it interesting that we have this "incident" right before the new proposed bill is introduced, so an "event" is fresh in the minds of the public? I do. Coincidental, I'm sure.

Mark, the thing is I don't really see this as a huge memetic win for antis. This is like a sidebar article that will have been forgotten about by most rather quickly, as this incident did not yield a stack of toddler and infant corpses for the antis to stomp, bounce and dance around on while they sing "save the orphans, baaaa baa baa baaa baaaaaah!" The public isn't going to be paying attention to this gun control bill roll-out anyways, outside of some of us here and maybe a couple handfuls of hardcore antis. I guarantee that if I went into a group of non gun people next friday and asked them "Hey did you hear about the huge gun control package that got passed this week?" "Joe Public" won't know a damned thing about it. Hell, half the gun owners I talk to aren't even aware that crap is on the table.

-Mike

 

[mark056]

To overgeneralize regional history with the whole nation, the boomer generation reacted to the reactionary (say that 10times fast) prior generation who went overboard trying to create a Norman Rockwell painting of a society to help forget the horrors they witnessed in WWII and many of them fresh of the Depression and WWI before that. The longstanding puritanical roots of this country ran with that sentiment as well. A perfect storm of prudishness and collective "shell shock" trying too hard to get back to "normal".

The boomer generation then took the seeds of totalitarianism planted by FDR, Prohibition and the Monarchists who created the Federal Reserve and a mushrooming cadre of armed/militant agencies and added technology (TV, then internet) and the horrifying lessons learned about propaganda during WWII (using the bad stuff as a howto rather than a cautionary tale) to the brew.

While I agree that the broad anger against LEO's is misplaced and should be focused on specific bad actors and those that shield them, I must disagree with the angle that its just "this generation's" version of something that's always been with us.

I think there is an absolute level of power accumulation, intrusion into and consumption of our lives and productivity that can be measured over time and it (intrusion, consumption and abuse of power) has reached a level not seen since before the founding of this country.

To be sure, individuals and out-of-favor groups have seen the ugly side of this in the past focused on them, but now we are seeing "the institution" punish everyone more equally rather than discriminating.

The proof of my assertion is in the approval ratings and opinions of our government. They are, deservedly, at historic lows. Progressive/Socialist/Populist (ultimately stickers on top of Monarchist at the leadership level) politics in both parties and never ending of expansion of government has put this government at risk of losing its charter of legitimacy with everyone, not just minority groups or "youth".

I think that is what you are seeing. It is no doubt amplified by the self-centered view each generation and person has, but it is far from "all relative".

You have an interesting post and have put a lot of time into developing your hypothesis. You are probably unfamiliar with the late, great late 19th Century early 20th Century American Historian Frederick Jackson Turner who looked at the whole problem of Americans and their disdain for authority well before FDR, the New Deal and the Federal Reserve (Turner died in 1932) Time and space prevent me from elaborating, but Turner's essential point was that the United States was essentially populated by anti-authoritarian malcontents and indeed it was if you look at the impetus for the founding of the original 13 Colonies. His primary point was that the frontier served as a safety valve that allowed the most non-conforming and anti-authtoritarian people to gravitate to, and that this was and has been and remains an essential dynamic in American cultural from both a historical and sociological standpoint. It might be best exemplified in the motion picture "The Wild Bunch" which is an allegorical tale that in a very large sense alludes to the closing of the frontier and the loss of a certain way of life and attitude towards authority. In 1890 the US Census Bureau declared the frontier closed and the West settled. The closing of the frontier didn't mean that this anti-authoritarian stripe or dynamic in American culture disappeared, it meant that it manifested itself in different ways and continues to manifest itself, as evidenced every day on this Forum by persons who are really in most cases much milder in their real life behaviors (failing to realize that the internet is just as much real life as any other component of living).

I think you have to look at this theme of rugged individualism in a much larger context: Thoreau, the Mountain Men, Biker Gangs, Shay's Rebellion, Beatniks, have all been expressions against authority and are part of a rich tapestry of dissent against any type of authority including law enforcement. It is nothing new, and to attribute it to the events of the last seventy or eighty years would be drawing on a far too narrow slice of the American Experience no matter how well constructed your argument is. There is simply not enough depth there I fear.

 

[Coyote33]

His post was far from sarcastic

Wait, I'm still confused. It says:

"Two more off the street in the wrong hands."

I am just wondering if they meant they are NOW in the wrong hands, the hands of the police. And what do they mean by "off the street"?

Surely it must be a joke post.

 

[Hoover]

Wait, I'm still confused. It says:

I am just wondering if they meant they are NOW in the wrong hands, the hands of the police. And what do they mean by "off the street"?

Surely it must be a joke post.

You would hope it was a joke but I seriously doubt it. I took it as this guy is a cop who thinks he saved people's lives that day and that he's a HERO every day of the week for do a job and getting paid for it. He sounds like he equates licensed gun carriers with street thugs. Basically that only LE should have the right to carry guns and anyone else shouldn't have them on the 'streets'. If true, he's the type that should not be a cop.

 

[Artifact]

I hate both the terms 'anti-LEO' and 'pro-LEO'. If a cop commits a crime and is not held accountable for it, and I'm against it, does that make me 'anti-LEO'? If a cop risks his life to save others, and I overwhelmingly support that, does that make me 'pro-LEO'?

I'd say no to both. People are constantly refereed to as 'anti-LEO' (as a bad thing) when they are against illegal, corrupt, and malicious actions committed by those in law enforcement.

Well said bud, I am not anti-Leo, I am anti abuse your power and use excessive force LEO.

 

[cekim]

I think you have to look at this theme of rugged individualism in a much larger context: Thoreau, the Mountain Men, Biker Gangs, Shay's Rebellion, Beatniks, have all been expressions against authority and are part of a rich tapestry of dissent against any type of authority including law enforcement. It is nothing new, and to attribute it to the events of the last seventy or eighty years would be drawing on a far too narrow slice of the American Experience no matter how well constructed your argument is. There is simply not enough depth there I fear.

As I said, it was a generalization - you cannot really define 100's of millions people with a single description.

That said, I have read quite a few works on American history and I have no argument with the idea that America was, for its first ~150 years populated largely by people who either had to get here walking over a bed of burning coals leaving something even worse or had that legacy in their recent family history. If you got here by walking or boat and stepped onto US soil with no EBT cards, Social Security or narco-economy waiting for you, you had to prove yourself. That hasn't been true for a long time...

It WAS a powerful selective force for hearty people who were understandably and correctly suspicious of authority.

It WAS a very good thing and we need more of it now. My point was not to dispute the nature of Americans as "mere bullies and Bostonians the biggest bullies of them all" (paraphrase of Thomas Gage I posted yesterday).

My point was that regardless of the character of the median American, the reason we are having so much trouble right now is not a function of this character of Americans to be anti-Authority, but rather a response to the rise in power and expansion of government itself in absolute terms, not just relative inter-generational conflict.

Look at it in absolute terms - from ~7% GDP in 1900 to ~45% now and rising... The only reason it is not higher is fudging of GDP in the form of the means by which accumulation of debt and risk are being counted on the balance sheet.

You are trying to heap the blame on selfish, brutish, anti-establishment Americans (itself a symptom of the self-loathing taught in schools I fear), but in fact, those things have been our greatest assets for liberty and as a nation. This nation was designed to benefit form this reality of the "best" of man-kind and use our lesser qualities for the greater good. The trouble is that Monarchists are using even greater weaknesses of human character against us to get us to consent to enslaving ourselves in trade for the false promise of paternal protection of .gov from "the terror" and "the drugs" and "the whatever".

Many Americans think of slavery in the context of plantation style arrangement, but in truth it was/is not the only sort of slavery. The arrangement where _someone_ owned you and demanded some large portion of your production was common and remains as the principle arrangement today - people indentured to someone who smuggles or kidnaps them into a strange land demands large portions of their production until they "pay it off" (which they rarely can).

That arrangement starts sounding familiar when you look at the facts:
- We are paying 50% of our income to state, local and Federal taxes
- We don't own our largest real properties because of excise/property taxes - they can be seized for debts of $1

The Constitution was based on the novel and only morally/ethically correct idea that we own ourselves and the labor derived from it by extension. That is no longer true. We lease our existence from a single landlord in the form of the US government.

You are correct to point out what "every generation has its X", but I think you are quite wrong to excuse or dismiss what's going on right now as entirely a function of this or even the majority of it. I think this is an expression of Normalcy bias on your part. One cannot look around the world and see all of the regimes created in the past 50-100 years collapsing and think this it is all relative. It goes in cycles and this is a rough time in that cycle to be a "big government".

 

[AntiHippie]

Someone else already mentioned it. Why are they loose in a drawer and rounds in the mags etc..

Wild guess here, but I'm going with the extremely low probability the magazines are going to insert themselves in the weapon, then the weapon chamber a round and shoot someone of it's own inanimate accord. My biggest question is why the hell would someone be dumb enough to post a photo of that to their private Instagram account? Hope the defense attorney jumps all over that and has a field day with discovery of that personal cell phone so that he never forgets what a dumb idea that was.

 

[mark056]

As I said, it was a generalization - you cannot really define 100's of millions people with a single description. That said, I have read quite a few works on American history and I have no argument with the idea that America was, for its first ~150 years populated largely by people who either had to get here walking over a bed of burning coals leaving something even worse or had that legacy in their recent family history. If you got here by walking or boat and stepped onto US soil with no EBT cards, Social Security or narco-economy waiting for you, you had to prove yourself. That hasn't been true for a long time... It WAS a powerful selective force for hearty people who were understandably and correctly suspicious of authority. It WAS a very good thing and we need more of it now. My point was not to dispute the nature of Americans as "mere bullies and Bostonians the biggest bullies of them all" (paraphrase of Thomas Gage I posted yesterday). My point was that regardless of the character of the median American, the reason we are having so much trouble right now is not a function of this character of Americans to be anti-Authority, but rather a response to the rise in power and expansion of government itself in absolute terms, not just relative inter-generational conflict. Look at it in absolute terms - from ~7% GDP in 1900 to ~45% now and rising... The only reason it is not higher is fudging of GDP in the form of the means by which accumulation of debt and risk are being counted on the balance sheet. You are trying to heap the blame on selfish, brutish, anti-establishment Americans (itself a symptom of the self-loathing taught in schools I fear), but in fact, those things have been our greatest assets for liberty and as a nation. This nation was designed to benefit form this reality of the "best" of man-kind and use our lesser qualities for the greater good. The trouble is that Monarchists are using even greater weaknesses of human character against us to get us to consent to enslaving ourselves in trade for the false promise of paternal protection from .gov. Many Americans think of slavery in the context of plantation style arrangement, but in truth it was/is not the only sort of slavery. The arrangement where _someone_ owned you and demanded some large portion of your production was common and remains in as the principle arrangement today - people indentured to someone who smuggles or kidnaps them into a strange land demands large portions of their production until they "pay it off" (which they rarely can). That arrangement starts sounding familiar when you look at the facts: - We are paying 50% of our income to state, local and Federal taxes - We don't own our largest real properties because of excise/property taxes - they can be seized for debts of $1 The Constitution was based on the novel and only morally/ethically correct idea that we own ourselves and the labor derived from it by extension. That is no longer true. We lease our existence from a single landlord in the form of the US government. You are correct to point out what "every generation has its X", but I think you are quite wrong to excuse or dismiss what's going on right now as entirely a function of this or even the majority of it. I think this is an expression of Normalcy bias on your part. One cannot look around the world and see all of the regimes created in the past 50-100 years collapsing and think this it is all relative. It goes in cycles and this is a rough time in that cycle to be a "big government".

I'm not assigning blame on anyone or anything. I think it's good to be anti-authoritarian. You may have read many books on American history but in fact I have a degree in the subject (which that and $2.09 will buy me a coffee at Dunkin' Donuts) There has always been a contrarian, dissident streak in the American character and it manifests itself differently in each generation and in each time. Perhaps we are speaking of different things, I don't know.

The anger boyz on NES are much milder in person and take on a tough guy persona because of the perceived anonymity of the Internet for the most part. There are exceptions. Most would crack in about five minutes under a skillful and professional police interview (I'm not talking rubber hose stuff here).

Perhaps we are speaking of different things or we simply need to agree to disagree and move on.

In closing, we did come out of a very peaceful and stable time that was the 1950's but I am beginning to believe that perhaps the 50's (let's say Sept 2, 1945 to Nov 22, 1964) were really an anomaly in US History. Perhaps it was the apex and realization of the American Dream for the Euro-Americans and WWII was a great unifying force. There never was a time like it before or since, I was an eyewitness to most of it, remember much of it vividly and probably subjectively.

 

[cekim]

In closing, we did come out of a very peaceful and stable time that was the 1950's but I am beginning to believe that perhaps the 50's (let's say Sept 2, 1946 to Nov 22, 1964) were really an anomaly in US History. Perhaps it was the apex and realization of the American Dream for the Euro-Americans and WWII was a great unifying force. There never was a time like it before or since, I was an eyewitness to most of it, remember much of it vividly and probably subjectively.

To your prior point - keyboard warriors abound...

To point, I didn't live it, so I can only observe 2nd and third hand from many sources, but I don't see it as a "realization" or "apex", but rather a collective fabrication of a caricature of society that, unfortunately came at the expense of those uninterested or unwilling to engage in the "dream".

I agree 100% though, the "norm" is chaos. I think I recall that the typical historical average is roughly 1 year of peace for every 10 of war.

 

[mark056]

To your prior point - keyboard warriors abound...

To point, I didn't live it, so I can only observe 2nd and third hand from many sources, but I don't see it as a "realization" or "apex", but rather a collective fabrication of a caricature of society that, unfortunately came at the expense of those uninterested or unwilling to engage in the "dream".

I agree 100% though, the "norm" is chaos. I think I recall that the typical historical average is roughly 1 year of peace for every 10 of war.

Sometime if you have the time read British historian Arnold Toynbee (if you haven't already) and his idea about civilizations and their arc with regard to rise and fall. To a large degree your assessment of the 1950's is correct and I alluded to that by saying if "you were Euro-American" i.e. white and especially if you were a WASP i.e. White Anglo Saxon and Protestant (the US has never been a true melting pot, more like a Chef's Salad with Los Angeles like a bowl of granola in that "whoever isn't a fruit or a nut is a flake" [with untold millions having degrees in history, those who work in fast food or become low middle ranking state civil service bureaucrats rather fancy themselves as comedians ])

Clearly we are dealing increasingly with a government that is quite simply becoming more inefficient and out of control and I agree that in this time and in this place, this is the cause of our angst today. It remains to be seen if we can right the ship and reattach the rudder. I am personally inclined to think that we cannot, but at the same time do not feel that there will any sort of a revolution, but rather a sort of implosion. A date that historians have used for the fall of the Western Roman Empire has been be 473 AD (or CE if you want to be politically correct) but the people living in what is today France and Spain and Italy considered themselves Romans for at least several more centuries. For many reasons, IMO our dissolution would no doubt happen faster or because of the changing American demographic with regard to racial and ethnic background and more importantly with regard to social attitude on how we perceive government and its role in our lives. It is quite possible that we will morph into something quite different than we are now, just as we are something much different than what we once were. Sadly there won't be much of a place for the likes of me, and I daresay for the likes of you either Cekim, or for many here, I fear. I truly hope I'm wrong about this, and predictive analysis has never been my strong suit so take some comfort in that and since a very early age, for me, the glass has always been half empty rather than half full still another factor. I think your children and for many of you, your grandchildren will have far bigger challenges to face and from places and people we have yet to imagine. When I was born there was still a British Empire, our principal threat was the Soviet Union and the specter of world wide Communist Domination. Now it is religious fundamentalism from countries that were for the most part under the control of the British and we are fighting people who have cell phones, satellite dishes but are perfectly happy to be living with a 9th Century worldview. Who would have thought?

 

[Quiet]

You have an interesting post and have put a lot of time into developing your hypothesis. You are probably unfamiliar with the late, great late 19th Century early 20th Century American Historian Frederick Jackson Turner who looked at the whole problem of Americans and their disdain for authority well before FDR, the New Deal and the Federal Reserve (Turner died in 1932) Time and space prevent me from elaborating, but Turner's essential point was that the United States was essentially populated by anti-authoritarian malcontents and indeed it was if you look at the impetus for the founding of the original 13 Colonies. His primary point was that the frontier served as a safety valve that allowed the most non-conforming and anti-authtoritarian people to gravitate to, and that this was and has been and remains an essential dynamic in American cultural from both a historical and sociological standpoint. It might be best exemplified in the motion picture "The Wild Bunch" which is an allegorical tale that in a very large sense alludes to the closing of the frontier and the loss of a certain way of life and attitude towards authority. In 1890 the US Census Bureau declared the frontier closed and the West settled. The closing of the frontier didn't mean that this anti-authoritarian stripe or dynamic in American culture disappeared, it meant that it manifested itself in different ways and continues to manifest itself, as evidenced every day on this Forum by persons who are really in most cases much milder in their real life behaviors (failing to realize that the internet is just as much real life as any other component of living).

I think you have to look at this theme of rugged individualism in a much larger context: Thoreau, the Mountain Men, Biker Gangs, Shay's Rebellion, Beatniks, have all been expressions against authority and are part of a rich tapestry of dissent against any type of authority including law enforcement. It is nothing new, and to attribute it to the events of the last seventy or eighty years would be drawing on a far too narrow slice of the American Experience no matter how well constructed your argument is. There is simply not enough depth there I fear.

The US continues to be populated by malcontents and rugged individualists who ignore the rule of law and authoritay to get here. We just turn them into welfare recipients through force of law and incentive of freebies.

 

[pahapoika]

American rugged individualism has been stamped out by the the nanny state. Now most people are working for the government or being paid off in the form of welfare.

The working class struggles on, but for how long ?

Makes me sad and angry to see the country i grew up in turned into some sort of communist nightmare. We have become the thing we hated most.

 

[Artifact]

Big Government = Communism

American rugged individualism has been stamped out by the the nanny state. Now most people are working for the government or being paid off in the form of welfare.

The working class struggles on, but for how long ?

Makes me sad and angry to see the country i grew up in turned into some sort of communist nightmare. We have become the thing we hated most.

 

[whatluck]

If you're of a strong character of rugged individualism in our time you constantly get belittled by your own people, being labeled as a 'keyboard warrior' or 'internet commando'. This is a big part of the problem, that the people that actually have balls get marginalized as nutbags and accused of posturing constantly.

 

[ntomsw]

This kid still sitting in jail somewhere? We know who his attorney is yet?

 

[mark056]

If you're of a strong character of rugged individualism in our time you constantly get belittled by your own people, being labeled as a 'keyboard warrior' or 'internet commando'. This is a big part of the problem, that the people that actually have balls get marginalized as nutbags and accused of posturing constantly.

Not necessarily. If all they do is spout off, then the answer is yes. If they actually live the lifestyle then the answer is no. Talk is cheap. Far more talk the talk than walk the walk but it has always been that way. The trouble with the internet because everyone uses a screen name, is you don't know who the talkers are and who the walkers are.

Now there have always been talkers, they used to hang out in bars and barbershops, places like that, maybe they still do, puff out their chests and talk big, but always have an excuse for not doing anything. Then there are the people who MYOB, are real quiet, stay under the radar, but get stuff done, then there are people who are great orators, leaders who have a certain charisma that inspire others and they go out and do stuff as well.

Trouble is too many people who talk big simply posture. Get yourself arrested a couple of times, or maybe killed on the street by some JBT's and then people will know you are the real deal...otherwise, how is one to really know, especially on the internet...see? that's the problem IMO.

 

[thewestie]

Is this guy still in jail?