Man arrested at BU trying to carry guns into graduation ceremony

[mark056]

I go on school grounds twice a week minimum and it would be very easy for me to make a mistake. So far I have been very diligent but I can easily see a situation where I make a mistake. From the sounds of it half the people in this thread think the book should be thrown at me if I do.

I might even go as far as an epic out yourself thread. Sad to see so many members willing to throw their brothers and sisters under the bus so fast

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Pleeze do we have to go back to that tired worn out cliche ridden "out yourself thread" crap? You are much better than this.

1. Anybody can make a mistake.
2. Probably everyone on this forum has unknowingly violated a dumb law.
3. I doubt if you carry a firearm concealed in the Peoples Republik of Massachusetts with a Restricted License
4. If you find yourself in a situation where you are carrying in some kind of legally prohibited area and you were unaware or forgot you were carrying and were about to go through a pat down or a metal detector (and yes it does happen it should not happen, but we are back to what is in the real world. Refer to number 1) but unlike Andrea one would hope that you rjh200 have the intelligence, grace and wit to remove yourself discretely from the scene without making a scene and frankly I think that is at the crux of the issue. Andrea had no business packin' in the first place. Now before some of you puff out your chests and get all ideological and start spouting the 2A and "we don't need no stinkin' licensees" yeah I get it...totally. It still boils down to this PSGWSP

Does he deserve it? No, but we all know that the other side is playing hardball, and playing for keeps and on Tuesday when the new gun control bill is introduced the fun is just beginning. Do you find it interesting that we have this "incident" right before the new proposed bill is introduced, so an "event" is fresh in the minds of the public? I do. Coincidental, I'm sure.

This "out yourself stuff" is disgusting. It's like there is only a small group of true believing elitists out there, well rjh200 we better start reaching out to gun owners of all stripes and opinions cuz we are a minority and wankerheads like Andrea Massa do us no good from a PR standpoint. (Note to Mattyw yes it is an injustice and the guy is either a dupe, a fool or was put up to it) It's all about hearts and minds, and yeah it's great that the real and true Americans in the South, Mid West and West believe in guns and hate a large Federal government and all of that, but look where the population centers are, look where the wealth of this country is: the east and west coasts. Look where the hard core gun haters are: the east and west coasts. Which state has more political and economic influence Idaho or Massachusetts?

When you make the statement that "sad to see so many members willing to throw their brothers and sisters under the bus so fast" that's exactly what you are doing. Writing us off because some dude who has had restricted license decides to act stupid and we happen to think he is a dolt. BTW when the dust has settled, this will all be swept under the rug I am willing to bet, he will plead out to a much reduced charge or walk with a CWOF. He will never own a gun again...but somehow I don't think firearms ownership is high on his list. There is more to this story....of that I am sure, there usually is. Andrea Massa is not my brother, brother.

 

[Coyote33]

Pleeze do we have to go back to that tired worn out cliche ridden "out yourself thread" crap? You are much better than this.

1. Anybody can make a mistake.
2. Probably everyone on this forum has unknowingly violated a dumb law.
3. I doubt if you carry a firearm concealed in the Peoples Republik of Massachusetts with a Restricted License
4. If you find yourself in a situation where you are carrying in some kind of legally prohibited area and you were unaware or forgot you were carrying and were about to go through a pat down or a metal detector (and yes it does happen it should not happen, but we are back to what is in the real world. ...

You missed:
2a. Probably everyone on this forum has knowingly ignored law, for any of the following reasons: i) thought it to be a dumb law ii) thought it to be unconstitutional law iii) thought it safer to protect themselves than face possible downside of the law iv) ??

Thanks.

 

[Nick Fury]

This "out yourself stuff" is disgusting.

Your right. When some folks say this "moron" got what he "deserved" for not fully respecting state law and gets a concrete pillar shoved up his ass for it I'd say that is pretty disgusting.

Details are not clear but with what facts we do have (wifes gun, trying to leave area) I believe he was attempting to comply with at least some of the laws he was in fact breaking. Yet he is charged by the law and examined by the media like he was planning a mass murder.

Mark you do bring up a very good tinfoil wrapped point about the timing. Makes perfect sense. How stuff like this occurs like it was made to order is amazing. Almost too much so...

But back to the "out yourself" subject. I see a whole bunch of MA gun owners suffering a lifetime of abuse. And like a classic abuse victim they never really blame the abuser. No this time it's Massa's fault for whatever beat down comes their way.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

yes again,

 

[Nick Fury]

You missed:
2a. Probably everyone on this forum has knowingly ignored law, for any of the following reasons: i) thought it to be a dumb law ii) thought it to be unconstitutional law iii) thought it safer to protect themselves than face possible downside of the law iv) ??

Thanks.

I've seen many a post saying how unlawfully carrying or using a firearm is better than ending up dead. Now one has to rethink this.

Financially dead.

Career dead.

Socially dead.

But alive. And in jail...

All brought to you by the great anti 2A movement.

 

[pahapoika]

Hello Boys

Avoided this site due to it's reputation as anti-LE, but have to say allot of folks here seem pretty cool with a overzealous campus cop and a dumb kid and his new toy

 

[Quiet]

Your right. When some folks say this "moron" got what he "deserved" for not fully respecting state law and gets a concrete pillar shoved up his ass for it I'd say that is pretty disgusting.

It's probable that I missed it, can you point me to a couple of people who said the guy got what he deserved?

I've seen a lot of "he got what would be expected", but not so much of the "got what he deserved". I might have missed a bunch. Maybe I saw one guy.

 

[GaryO]

Hello Boys

Avoided this site due to it's reputation as anti-LE, but have to say allot of folks here seem pretty cool with a overzealous campus cop and a dumb kid and his new toy

The woman members of this site might take issue with the "HELLO BOYS" greeting.

 

[scatter]

Hello Boys

Avoided this site due to it's reputation as anti-LE, but have to say allot of folks here seem pretty cool with a overzealous campus cop and a dumb kid and his new toy

What's your point? You avoided it because you thought it was anti-LEO, and now you're disappointed that it's not anti-LEO enough?

 

[Len-2A Training]

What's your point? You avoided it because you thought it was anti-LEO, and now you're disappointed that it's not anti-LEO enough?

If he/she sticks around, he/she will learn that it is more than plenty anti-LEO!!

 

[Dream to Dream]

You missed:
2a. Probably everyone on this forum has knowingly ignored law, for any of the following reasons: i) thought it to be a dumb law ii) thought it to be unconstitutional law iii) thought it safer to protect themselves than face possible downside of the law iv) ??

Thanks.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Coyote33 again.

 

[Bonesinium]

If he/she sticks around, he/she will learn that it is more than plenty anti-LEO!!

I hate both the terms 'anti-LEO' and 'pro-LEO'. If a cop commits a crime and is not held accountable for it, and I'm against it, does that make me 'anti-LEO'? If a cop risks his life to save others, and I overwhelmingly support that, does that make me 'pro-LEO'?

I'd say no to both. People are constantly refereed to as 'anti-LEO' (as a bad thing) when they are against illegal, corrupt, and malicious actions committed by those in law enforcement.

 

[mark056]

There is a certain anti-authority bias that manifests itself on NES that some construe to be anti-LEO. It's more of a rage against societal constraints and an urge to vent. I will make a cultural reference that many will not know but some will: It's like a Rebel without a cause thing. It has always been with us but has only exacerbated since the 1960's and 1970'a=s when the education system decided that it was more important to become self-actualized than educated. Many are just as much snowflakes as the ones that they criticize as sheeple or on the left, it just manifests itself in a different way. I suppose I am just as guilty too, but in the end we are all at the center of our own universes.

 

[dgrafton]

Hello Boys

Avoided this site due to it's reputation as anti-LE, but have to say allot of folks here seem pretty cool with a overzealous campus cop and a dumb kid and his new toy

So, almost two years of lurking and this is what you add to a thread? Maybe it would be better for you to lurk a little longer:/


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[cekim]

There is a certain anti-authority bias that manifests itself on NES that some construe to be anti-LEO. It's more of a rage against societal constraints and an urge to vent. I will make a cultural reference that many will not know but some will: It's like a Rebel without a cause thing. It has always been with us but has only exacerbated since the 1960's and 1970'a=s when the education system decided that it was more important to become self-actualized than educated. Many are just as much snowflakes as the ones that they criticize as sheeple or on the left, it just manifests itself in a different way. I suppose I am just as guilty too, but in the end we are all at the center of our own universes.

To overgeneralize regional history with the whole nation, the boomer generation reacted to the reactionary (say that 10times fast) prior generation who went overboard trying to create a Norman Rockwell painting of a society to help forget the horrors they witnessed in WWII and many of them fresh of the Depression and WWI before that. The longstanding puritanical roots of this country ran with that sentiment as well. A perfect storm of prudishness and collective "shell shock" trying too hard to get back to "normal".

The boomer generation then took the seeds of totalitarianism planted by FDR, Prohibition and the Monarchists who created the Federal Reserve and a mushrooming cadre of armed/militant agencies and added technology (TV, then internet) and the horrifying lessons learned about propaganda during WWII (using the bad stuff as a howto rather than a cautionary tale) to the brew.

While I agree that the broad anger against LEO's is misplaced and should be focused on specific bad actors and those that shield them, I must disagree with the angle that its just "this generation's" version of something that's always been with us.

I think there is an absolute level of power accumulation, intrusion into and consumption of our lives and productivity that can be measured over time and it (intrusion, consumption and abuse of power) has reached a level not seen since before the founding of this country.

To be sure, individuals and out-of-favor groups have seen the ugly side of this in the past focused on them, but now we are seeing "the institution" punish everyone more equally rather than discriminating.

The proof of my assertion is in the approval ratings and opinions of our government. They are, deservedly, at historic lows. Progressive/Socialist/Populist (ultimately stickers on top of Monarchist at the leadership level) politics in both parties and never ending of expansion of government has put this government at risk of losing its charter of legitimacy with everyone, not just minority groups or "youth".

I think that is what you are seeing. It is no doubt amplified by the self-centered view each generation and person has, but it is far from "all relative".

 

[Billsail]

Hello Boys

Avoided this site due to it's reputation as anti-LE, but have to say allot of folks here seem pretty cool with a overzealous campus cop and a dumb kid and his new toy

This troll post is more anti-NES, than pro LEO. Obviously inflammatory no matter how you read it. pahapoika was likely banned under a different screen name, and this is one of his "reserve" names.

 

[Nick Fury]

This troll post is more anti-NES, than pro LEO. Obviously inflammatory no matter how you read it. pahapoika was likely banned under a different screen name, and this is one of his "reserve" names.

I have always admired the dedication levels of those who set up alternate accounts for future mischief.

 

[TOM1960]

Are you saying that you look into the local laws for every town you may pass through wrt weapons? And then follow all of them?

Not all towns have their laws easily accessible. I know that from looking into bylaws pertaining to hunting and discharge of firearms.






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Restrictions on LTCs are made by the issuing police chiefs. LTCs can be revoked for any reason by police chiefs. If a chief wanted someone to be able to carry concealed, there would be no restrictions. Violate restrictions? Lose LTC, lose all of your guns and ammo, get criminally charged and maybe even lose job if boss finds out about the arrest and prosecution. One hell of a stupid game to play, as this clown found out the hard way!

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Violate restrictions? Lose LTC, lose all of your guns and ammo, get criminally charged and maybe even lose job if boss finds out about the arrest and prosecution.

1. Violation of a restriction is a civil, not an criminal offense.

2. There is no "arrest", however, one may be cited.

 

[Chet0729]

i can believe this thread is still open

 

[dgrafton]

Restrictions on LTCs are made by the issuing police chiefs. LTCs can be revoked for any reason by police chiefs. If a chief wanted someone to be able to carry concealed, there would be no restrictions. Violate restrictions? Lose LTC, lose all of your guns and ammo, get criminally charged and maybe even lose job if boss finds out about the arrest and prosecution. One hell of a stupid game to play, as this clown found out the hard way!

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I was commenting about you calling the defendant a moron for carrying a knife.


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[TOM1960]

1. Violation of a restriction is a civil, not an criminal offense.

2. There is no "arrest", however, one may be cited.

This guy was not "cited". It was full-fledged bust, with him being jailed, LTC flying off into space, guns confiscated, psycho evaluation, possible loss of his physical therapist license and his livelihood. High price for stupidity!

 

[Hoover]

This guy was not "cited". It was full-fledged bust, with him being jailed, LTC flying off into space, guns confiscated, psycho evaluation, possible loss of his physical therapist license and his livelihood. High price for stupidity!

He wasn't arrested for carrying on a restricted LTC, he was cited for that. He was arrested for disturbing the peace, then the carrying a gun on school grounds, etc. The psycho eval is because his moron lawyer said he might plea not guilty by reason of mental defect. So the prosecutor and judge wanted him evaluated since his lawyer brought it up. His lawyer is an idiot and he needs to dispatch him ASAP. Even if he walks on the charges, he'll never get a gun license again here or probably anywhere after a court found him mentally deficient.

 

[noddaduma]

There is a certain anti-authority bias that manifests itself on NES that some construe to be anti-LEO. It's more of a rage against societal constraints and an urge to vent.

FFS It's called being American!!!

 

[cekim]

FFS It's called being American!!!

America is a mere bully, from one end to the other, and the Bostonians by far the greatest bullies.

[drops microphone, walks off stage]

 

[JJ4]

He wasn't arrested for carrying on a restricted LTC, he was cited for that. He was arrested for disturbing the peace, then the carrying a gun on school grounds, etc. The psycho eval is because his moron lawyer said he might plea not guilty by reason of mental defect. So the prosecutor and judge wanted him evaluated since his lawyer brought it up. His lawyer is an idiot and he needs to dispatch him ASAP. Even if he walks on the charges, he'll never get a gun license again here or probably anywhere after a court found him mentally deficient.

Maybe it's possible he really does have a "mental defect" and his lawyers are properly representing him?

 

[Greschner 4]

Maybe it's possible he really does have a "mental defect" and his lawyers are properly representing him?

Possible?

 

[cekim]

Possible?

Well, we for those who live in MA, that is a ding to our rational thought processes right there...

 

[Greschner 4]

Thread Summary: Full Retard meets Full Retard

Game, set, match ... thank you ball boys, thanks you linesman!

 

[pahapoika]

tough crowd, tough crowd

Not a troll and not lurking. just curious what a bunch of freedom loving , 2nd Amendment Americans think of a guy getting railroaded for something that would have been a non-issue not that long ago.

But seems allot of folks here are good with it, so be it.

Confiscation is marching our way from the south. New Jersey, Connecticut, New York, etc.

If restricted permits, gun free zones, etc are backed by gun owners then expect more regulation.