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I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
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I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
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I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
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If he/she sticks around, he/she will learn that it is more than plenty anti-LEO!!
There is a certain anti-authority bias that manifests itself on NES that some construe to be anti-LEO. It's more of a rage against societal constraints and an urge to vent. I will make a cultural reference that many will not know but some will: It's like a Rebel without a cause thing. It has always been with us but has only exacerbated since the 1960's and 1970'a=s when the education system decided that it was more important to become self-actualized than educated. Many are just as much snowflakes as the ones that they criticize as sheeple or on the left, it just manifests itself in a different way. I suppose I am just as guilty too, but in the end we are all at the center of our own universes.
1. Violation of a restriction is a civil, not an criminal offense.
2. There is no "arrest", however, one may be cited.
This guy was not "cited". It was full-fledged bust, with him being jailed, LTC flying off into space, guns confiscated, psycho evaluation, possible loss of his physical therapist license and his livelihood. High price for stupidity!
Agreed, however, I doubt that a routine restriction violation case will cause personal bankruptcy, loss of employment, family breakup, etc. And, the BU case is FAR from typical.Rob, don't confuse the law with what a PO can do if he wants. Whether or not it holds up in court or is legal is another matter entirely. Disorderly conduct, failure to obey a police officer, etc. are really nice catch-alls that can be used when nothing else is appropriate to justify an arrest.
I know someone who works for this department, not sure if he was on scene but he posted this on Instagram. The guns as well as dates match up.
I hate the ****ing caption "Two more off the street in the wrong hands"
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His post was far from sarcastic
What are you calling BS on?
Are they the guns? I hope not. Does the guy who posted them work for that department? You bet your ass he does.
Does he deserve it? No, but we all know that the other side is playing hardball, and playing for keeps and on Tuesday when the new gun control bill is introduced the fun is just beginning. Do you find it interesting that we have this "incident" right before the new proposed bill is introduced, so an "event" is fresh in the minds of the public? I do. Coincidental, I'm sure.
To overgeneralize regional history with the whole nation, the boomer generation reacted to the reactionary (say that 10times fast) prior generation who went overboard trying to create a Norman Rockwell painting of a society to help forget the horrors they witnessed in WWII and many of them fresh of the Depression and WWI before that. The longstanding puritanical roots of this country ran with that sentiment as well. A perfect storm of prudishness and collective "shell shock" trying too hard to get back to "normal".
The boomer generation then took the seeds of totalitarianism planted by FDR, Prohibition and the Monarchists who created the Federal Reserve and a mushrooming cadre of armed/militant agencies and added technology (TV, then internet) and the horrifying lessons learned about propaganda during WWII (using the bad stuff as a howto rather than a cautionary tale) to the brew.
While I agree that the broad anger against LEO's is misplaced and should be focused on specific bad actors and those that shield them, I must disagree with the angle that its just "this generation's" version of something that's always been with us.
I think there is an absolute level of power accumulation, intrusion into and consumption of our lives and productivity that can be measured over time and it (intrusion, consumption and abuse of power) has reached a level not seen since before the founding of this country.
To be sure, individuals and out-of-favor groups have seen the ugly side of this in the past focused on them, but now we are seeing "the institution" punish everyone more equally rather than discriminating.
The proof of my assertion is in the approval ratings and opinions of our government. They are, deservedly, at historic lows. Progressive/Socialist/Populist (ultimately stickers on top of Monarchist at the leadership level) politics in both parties and never ending of expansion of government has put this government at risk of losing its charter of legitimacy with everyone, not just minority groups or "youth".
I think that is what you are seeing. It is no doubt amplified by the self-centered view each generation and person has, but it is far from "all relative".
His post was far from sarcastic
"Two more off the street in the wrong hands."
Wait, I'm still confused. It says:
I am just wondering if they meant they are NOW in the wrong hands, the hands of the police. And what do they mean by "off the street"?
Surely it must be a joke post.
I hate both the terms 'anti-LEO' and 'pro-LEO'. If a cop commits a crime and is not held accountable for it, and I'm against it, does that make me 'anti-LEO'? If a cop risks his life to save others, and I overwhelmingly support that, does that make me 'pro-LEO'?
I'd say no to both. People are constantly refereed to as 'anti-LEO' (as a bad thing) when they are against illegal, corrupt, and malicious actions committed by those in law enforcement.
As I said, it was a generalization - you cannot really define 100's of millions people with a single description.I think you have to look at this theme of rugged individualism in a much larger context: Thoreau, the Mountain Men, Biker Gangs, Shay's Rebellion, Beatniks, have all been expressions against authority and are part of a rich tapestry of dissent against any type of authority including law enforcement. It is nothing new, and to attribute it to the events of the last seventy or eighty years would be drawing on a far too narrow slice of the American Experience no matter how well constructed your argument is. There is simply not enough depth there I fear.
Someone else already mentioned it. Why are they loose in a drawer and rounds in the mags etc..
As I said, it was a generalization - you cannot really define 100's of millions people with a single description. That said, I have read quite a few works on American history and I have no argument with the idea that America was, for its first ~150 years populated largely by people who either had to get here walking over a bed of burning coals leaving something even worse or had that legacy in their recent family history. If you got here by walking or boat and stepped onto US soil with no EBT cards, Social Security or narco-economy waiting for you, you had to prove yourself. That hasn't been true for a long time... It WAS a powerful selective force for hearty people who were understandably and correctly suspicious of authority. It WAS a very good thing and we need more of it now. My point was not to dispute the nature of Americans as "mere bullies and Bostonians the biggest bullies of them all" (paraphrase of Thomas Gage I posted yesterday). My point was that regardless of the character of the median American, the reason we are having so much trouble right now is not a function of this character of Americans to be anti-Authority, but rather a response to the rise in power and expansion of government itself in absolute terms, not just relative inter-generational conflict. Look at it in absolute terms - from ~7% GDP in 1900 to ~45% now and rising... The only reason it is not higher is fudging of GDP in the form of the means by which accumulation of debt and risk are being counted on the balance sheet. You are trying to heap the blame on selfish, brutish, anti-establishment Americans (itself a symptom of the self-loathing taught in schools I fear), but in fact, those things have been our greatest assets for liberty and as a nation. This nation was designed to benefit form this reality of the "best" of man-kind and use our lesser qualities for the greater good. The trouble is that Monarchists are using even greater weaknesses of human character against us to get us to consent to enslaving ourselves in trade for the false promise of paternal protection from .gov. Many Americans think of slavery in the context of plantation style arrangement, but in truth it was/is not the only sort of slavery. The arrangement where _someone_ owned you and demanded some large portion of your production was common and remains in as the principle arrangement today - people indentured to someone who smuggles or kidnaps them into a strange land demands large portions of their production until they "pay it off" (which they rarely can). That arrangement starts sounding familiar when you look at the facts: - We are paying 50% of our income to state, local and Federal taxes - We don't own our largest real properties because of excise/property taxes - they can be seized for debts of $1 The Constitution was based on the novel and only morally/ethically correct idea that we own ourselves and the labor derived from it by extension. That is no longer true. We lease our existence from a single landlord in the form of the US government. You are correct to point out what "every generation has its X", but I think you are quite wrong to excuse or dismiss what's going on right now as entirely a function of this or even the majority of it. I think this is an expression of Normalcy bias on your part. One cannot look around the world and see all of the regimes created in the past 50-100 years collapsing and think this it is all relative. It goes in cycles and this is a rough time in that cycle to be a "big government".
In closing, we did come out of a very peaceful and stable time that was the 1950's but I am beginning to believe that perhaps the 50's (let's say Sept 2, 1946 to Nov 22, 1964) were really an anomaly in US History. Perhaps it was the apex and realization of the American Dream for the Euro-Americans and WWII was a great unifying force. There never was a time like it before or since, I was an eyewitness to most of it, remember much of it vividly and probably subjectively.
To your prior point - keyboard warriors abound...
To point, I didn't live it, so I can only observe 2nd and third hand from many sources, but I don't see it as a "realization" or "apex", but rather a collective fabrication of a caricature of society that, unfortunately came at the expense of those uninterested or unwilling to engage in the "dream".
I agree 100% though, the "norm" is chaos. I think I recall that the typical historical average is roughly 1 year of peace for every 10 of war.
The US continues to be populated by malcontents and rugged individualists who ignore the rule of law and authoritay to get here. We just turn them into welfare recipients through force of law and incentive of freebies.You have an interesting post and have put a lot of time into developing your hypothesis. You are probably unfamiliar with the late, great late 19th Century early 20th Century American Historian Frederick Jackson Turner who looked at the whole problem of Americans and their disdain for authority well before FDR, the New Deal and the Federal Reserve (Turner died in 1932) Time and space prevent me from elaborating, but Turner's essential point was that the United States was essentially populated by anti-authoritarian malcontents and indeed it was if you look at the impetus for the founding of the original 13 Colonies. His primary point was that the frontier served as a safety valve that allowed the most non-conforming and anti-authtoritarian people to gravitate to, and that this was and has been and remains an essential dynamic in American cultural from both a historical and sociological standpoint. It might be best exemplified in the motion picture "The Wild Bunch" which is an allegorical tale that in a very large sense alludes to the closing of the frontier and the loss of a certain way of life and attitude towards authority. In 1890 the US Census Bureau declared the frontier closed and the West settled. The closing of the frontier didn't mean that this anti-authoritarian stripe or dynamic in American culture disappeared, it meant that it manifested itself in different ways and continues to manifest itself, as evidenced every day on this Forum by persons who are really in most cases much milder in their real life behaviors (failing to realize that the internet is just as much real life as any other component of living).
I think you have to look at this theme of rugged individualism in a much larger context: Thoreau, the Mountain Men, Biker Gangs, Shay's Rebellion, Beatniks, have all been expressions against authority and are part of a rich tapestry of dissent against any type of authority including law enforcement. It is nothing new, and to attribute it to the events of the last seventy or eighty years would be drawing on a far too narrow slice of the American Experience no matter how well constructed your argument is. There is simply not enough depth there I fear.
American rugged individualism has been stamped out by the the nanny state. Now most people are working for the government or being paid off in the form of welfare.
The working class struggles on, but for how long ?
Makes me sad and angry to see the country i grew up in turned into some sort of communist nightmare. We have become the thing we hated most.
If you're of a strong character of rugged individualism in our time you constantly get belittled by your own people, being labeled as a 'keyboard warrior' or 'internet commando'. This is a big part of the problem, that the people that actually have balls get marginalized as nutbags and accused of posturing constantly.