It's time..... The movement.

egouin · Jan 8, 2013

fred2386 said:
I apologize for not reading all the posts, but what about we make our own radio presence? I haven't had personal experience doing this but you can broadcast yourself at places like:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ - live radio, callers, looks easy to set up
http://www.spreaker.com/ - looks like you can pre-record and set up "episodes"

If not radio, why not some kind of YouTube channel? I'm sure we've got some charismatic guys on NES that could effectively deliver our message.

I think this is a great idea. However, IMHO, the large upfront effort of starting something new won't pay off short term. We have to go after an established audience. You could spend weeks setting up something new only to get 100 subscribers. In contrast, I mention FPSRussia and Hickok45 on YouTube. They have a HUGE established following. Any message they deliver will be heard by MILLIONS in a very short period of time (measured in days).

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

HKdrummer said:
sadly I'm not a friendly looking man. Lol

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Neither was Abraham Lincoln, but we can all recite words from his speeches to this day. You have to work with the gifts you are given and rely on others to help in areas where you/I may be weak.

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Shawnjohn16 said:
Great public speaker. Extemporaneous is my specialty. Debate is my domain.

I'm not boasting. Trying to help in any way I can. I am fortunate to have a "way with people and crowds and words". Can write very well. My delivery is where I excel. My (sad to say) largest asset is my very Un intimidating looks. Good/Young looking (not in a 20 yr old way)

I can help with leadership if needed. Once was a Pres to 18,000+ members of a due paying association of Business Professionals who voted for me in a 80% landslide victory.

I currently own two businesses and RE in Ma would love to not have to move. Willing to help financially also

(Geesh I sound like such a boaster).

Interested in public office?

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

mpkeelee said:
http://lpcolorado.org/events/calling-all-pro-gun-activists-join-us-as-we-organize-our-resources/

Im still adding more links to my post and i came across this. A lot of places are also starting something similar the the whole "Occupy" thing.

My work takes me across the country. Rest easy, we, in the North East, are not alone in our feelings. Try telling a guy from Virginia, Georgia, or Texas you are going after his guns. Ha! You think we have strong emotions. HK is on the right path. We need to be clear, concise, and professional with our message, and we need to get it out there. The right message will not only get the pro-gun folks, it will get anyone concerned about their Constitutional rights being infringed by the government riled up as well. If we are lucky, we'll even pull in a good portion of the fence sitters.

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

crazymjb said:
Just because I'm drinking... Logo for a T-shirt:

"In honor of the strife of those who've died
In generations before for your blood stained glory
I reject you
I deny you
I defy you to continue"

Kudos to whoever knows where that from

Mike

Googlefoo is strong with this one. Look here you must: http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Vigil-lyrics-Lamb-Of-God/99A1A50FAEF7B32548256D250003A9D5

daddysuperfly · Jan 9, 2013

egouin said:
We need to be clear, concise, and professional with our message

That is the triple threat right there. There has been a lot of talk about the occupy movement. One of their biggest downfalls was that nobody knew what the hell they were talking about. It didn't resonate with 'normal' people.

Our biggest task is going to be taking this multifaceted issue, and trying to make it "clear, concise, and professional".

djo · Jan 9, 2013

PM inbound. Happy to help.

RoterTeufel · Jan 9, 2013

fred2386 said:
If not radio, why not some kind of YouTube channel? I'm sure we've got some charismatic guys on NES that could effectively deliver our message.

There are some guys that we can also seek out on YouTube with clout that already have subscribers:
NeverEnuffAmmo
JamesYeager
TheYankeeMarshal

Rick1987 said:
We need a bunch of smart people. And a great speaker.
I dont like Obama, but he is one hell of a speaker.

Yep

PennyPincher said:
I think the mission statement should be the 2A. Maybe with emphasis added to 'shall not be infringed.' That is the goal right?

We need to start negotiating from where we should be, not from where we are now. The Feinstein bill is a perfect example of their negotiations. They are starting way to the extreme of what we currently have for gun laws. Everyone's focus is on that but it actually hasn't been submitted for consideration. However, HR 21 has been. It is a much more 'reasonable' bill in comparison but would still be terrible for 2A rights. We need to negotiate by attacking the current system. We need less gun control, not more! If we start negotiating from where we are right now we are guaranteed to lose ground. We need to gain ground and the only way to do that is to reset the boundaries of negotiation.

This.
Take the Guns vs. Cars argument, the gun is a tool and so is the car, but the firearm is "specifically designed to kill", so how is it that a tool that with its primary function being transportation, and not ever being intended to take life kills more people annually ?

[video=youtube_share;57J9Q2fm5Aw]http://youtu.be/57J9Q2fm5Aw[/video]

Also, I think we should highlight that we as gun owners are normal people. We're:

Brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, Business owners, Engineers, Nurses, Teachers, Firemen, Managers, Carpenters, .... let's say who we are - in a way.

Mr. Brownstone · Jan 9, 2013

RoterTeufel said:
There are some guys that we can also seek out on YouTube with clout that already have subscribers:
NeverEnuffAmmo
JamesYeager
TheYankeeMarshal

.

Check out:
maineprepper
Thehossusmc
Patriotnurse
Southernprepper1
Engineer775

fivepak · Jan 9, 2013

I'd be interested in working on the NH front. I avoid MA at all cost as I can't carry there.

I like the direction this is going. Organize regionally and eventually with other groups on a national level. We need unity.

I agree with the t-shirt comment. We don't want to come across as militant. Though the second amendment is our primary goal the message should be expressed as a movement for freedom. That's something most people can get on board with. The second amendment is what secures that freedom. The face of the movement can't be scary like HK says he is, but it shouldn't be dorky like Wayne LaPierre. We need an all American out there that can speak and think on his feet.

I notice at rallies and protest the media loves to single out the retards for comments. I know I may freeze up in front of a camera. I'm not much of a public speaker. When engaged in such gatherings we need to have designated spokespersons and refer media questions to them.

I would like to make one other suggestion. If this ever gains any real steam, and I pray it does, many social media sites have never proven to be very gun friendly. If for some reason our methods of communication are taken offline I suggest a calling tree between organization members and have it trickle down to individual members. I may be getting to far ahead, but it is something to think about.

Kevlar · Jan 9, 2013

spcantwell said:
starting to go through these sites getting invidiual organisation names... someone want to start with
firearm dealers
firearm manufactures
gunsmiths
firearm training groups
ranges (i think such a list exists but i could be wrong)
pro-2a C.O.P.'s
pro-2a non-firearm retail stores
firearm forums
non-firearm pro 2a forums
etc???

ASHDUMP · Jan 9, 2013

damn, i know the internet is large but.....

we're going to need ambassadors for each forum in that list

ztargetshooter · Jan 9, 2013

What kind of data gathering are you looking for?

FrugalFannie · Jan 9, 2013

I'm just thinking out loud here. Should we start by focusing on just MA and NH and maybe CT and RI? We can't tackle the whole country at once. Once we get a system in place it should be easy to replicate. But in order to get this off the ground fast I think we should focus on these 2 or 4 states.

BigMike · Jan 9, 2013

HKdrummer said:
How are you with searching the web and compiling a huge list? Are you a google master?

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I'm afraid I am only good for comic relief and keeping the glass half-full. However, I will try my best at any task that is given to me.

BigMike · Jan 9, 2013

edmorseiii said:
I can not attend on Saturday, but if you had a chat room or something set up I would log in and follow along.

Once I am local again, I would like to help with what ever I can. I am good at moving things, breaking things, ordering pizza, bringing beers, and then drinking those beers.

Let me know.

Could this movement use TWO dudes like this? Maybe Ed and I could contend for "First String" and "Back-up" [rofl]

Bfatz · Jan 9, 2013

You want to send a REAL message? Liquidate! Stop funding you're 401k's sell all stocks, sell Bonds, sell IRA's sell Mutual funds sell the Barn if you will. I talk to people daily, some who haven't paid a Mortgage in almost 4 YEARS! and still living in the home. Bottom line sell it all!

Government cannot be fixed from the inside it has to be fixed from the Outside first. I am in the final phase of my liquidation Do your part and stop feeding the host!

bullseye · Jan 9, 2013

egouin said:
Once we know what we are going to say, we should try to get FPS Russia and Hickok45 involved (see YouTube if you aren't familiar). Both are obviously pro-gun. Both have a HUGE following (especially FPS). I all likelihood we don't want to have as either as an official spokesperson, but they can get a message out to millions in a very short period of time. FPS's "suit case gun" has over 1.3 MILLION views already. The video has been up for 5 days.

For those who don't know, FPS Russia is a character. The guy doing the videos is an American. Not sure if he'd break character to get a message out, but we absolutely want him on our side. If nothing else, he appeals to a lot of different people. Hickok45 (IMO) can drone on at times and his videos aren't nearly as popular. However, he does have a large following that we should try to tap into. I am sure there are other "pro gun" YouTube channels out there. We need to get everyone we can on board.

For all practical purposes, the message we need to convey is not so much towards the folks that already are 2A respectful, but the folks that are sitting on the fence, some 20-30% of the population in general, think independent voters and some of the left leaning folks. They need to know that control is much more than firearms and the restrictions placed on them, but the liberties being taken away as a whole. This fight is for the benefit of ALL citizens, whether they realize this or not. Maybe someday in the future, some of these younger lefties may wake up and they may want to get a firearm, at that point there may be no law allowing this. This fight is for all the people, just like the founders fought, and I'm sure there were a great many the founders didn't care for, but it is about the people. Infringing is infringing, period, they shall not infringe in any way. We've lost enough liberty, no more.

HKdrummer · Jan 9, 2013

PennyPincher said:
I'm just thinking out loud here. Should we start by focusing on just MA and NH and maybe CT and RI? We can't tackle the whole country at once. Once we get a system in place it should be easy to replicate. But in order to get this off the ground fast I think we should focus on these 2 or 4 states.

That is absolutely the game plan. Spot on.

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AngelKing · Jan 9, 2013

Ive written editorials, speeches and Ive been blogging, etc - would be glad to help craft a message, I hold a degree in English, so Im a nazi when it comes to grammar, spelling and putting together the written word. Depending on the message tenets and how far you want to go, I'm certain I could make Satan himself cry.

hit my email [email protected] - I am free Saturday.

yeah, outed myself, oh well.

Dream to Dream · Jan 9, 2013

I can write a mean paper (Catholic high school English education, for the win!) and I am happy to help out in this capacity.

Cardinal Ximinez · Jan 9, 2013

Bfatz said:
You want to send a REAL message? Liquidate! Stop funding you're 401k's sell all stocks, sell Bonds, sell IRA's sell Mutual funds sell the Barn if you will. I talk to people daily, some who haven't paid a Mortgage in almost 4 YEARS! and still living in the home. Bottom line sell it all!

Government cannot be fixed from the inside it has to be fixed from the Outside first. I am in the final phase of my liquidation Do your part and stop feeding the host!

I'm not targeting you so please don't take my feedback that way. However, this is exactly what I don't think the group should be. It shouldn't espouse a liberal, conservative, libertarian, or other idealogical bent. We shouldn't be telling people it's "go time" or encouraging people to "go Gault".

It'll be somewhat tricky to draw a dividing line, but it should focus on gun rights and only discuss associated rights (think free speech) to the extent that they impact our 2A rights.

I have always thought that one of larger failings of the NRA is their exclusive focus on 2A rights and a willingness to compromise on other intertwined rights. For example, they were more than willing to restrict our 1A rights provided they got an exemption. You can't protect 2A rights while weakening free speech.

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

Had this thought... Picture of minute man and an everyday Joe. Caption reads... "The Bill of Rights... They created it for us. We defend it for them."

fivepak · Jan 9, 2013

egouin said:
Had this thought... Picture of minute man and an everyday Joe. Caption reads... "The Bill of Rights... They created it for us. We defend it for them."

Exactly my thought. Something like this.

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

We are talking political strategy just as much as we are talking about defending out rights.

I think we need to get away from the persona of a fat, middle aged white guys with guns... I HATE even saying this because I personally believe "people are people," but we should make sure any gathering is multi-racial. Someone articulate in Spanish, perhaps a citizen of Hispanic descent, would be a key alley in helping to rally Hispanic support.

Some would argue that Obama won because he specifically appealed to Hispanic and black voters. We need to be sure we are doing the same. Just my 2 cents.

HTRN · Jan 9, 2013

fivepak said:
Exactly my thought. Something like this.

Or this:

Cardinal Ximinez · Jan 9, 2013

egouin said:
Had this thought... Picture of minute man and an everyday Joe. Caption reads... "The Bill of Rights... They created it for us. We defend it for them."

I have a ton of respect for the Founding Fathers, but that's not a good, modern focus. If you're looking for a modern day call to action, referencing the Founders may not provide the modern emphasis needed. I think this is especially true when you consider that one of the main criticisms we'll battle is that the Constitution and 2A rights are an anachronism from a bygone age.

I know it sounds trite, but the "them" should be the next generation, not us. We, as the legatees of our fathers, have already enjoyed the rights they fought for, my dad was a WW II vet, and now it's our responsibility to ensure our children enjoy the rights that were passed to us.

We need to explain why protecting the 2A is important for the next generation. That's a message with the potential to bridge the chasm and motivate.

egouin · Jan 9, 2013

Cardinal Ximinez said:
I have a ton of respect for the Founding Fathers, but that's not a good, modern focus. If you're looking for a modern day call to action, referencing the Founders may not provide the modern emphasis needed. I think this is especially true when you consider that one of the main criticisms we'll battle is that the Constitution and 2A rights are an anachronism from a bygone age.

I know it sounds trite, but the "them" should be the next generation, not us. We, as the legatees of our fathers, have already enjoyed the rights they fought for, my dad was a WW II vet, and now it's our responsibility to ensure our children enjoy the rights that were passed to us.

We need to explain why protecting the 2A is important for the next generation. That's a message with the potential to bridge the chasm and motivate.

How about... "The Bill of Rights... They created it for us. We defend it for those who follow."

Cap · Jan 9, 2013

Cardinal Ximinez said:
I have a ton of respect for the Founding Fathers, but that's not a good, modern focus. If you're looking for a modern day call to action, referencing the Founders may not provide the modern emphasis needed. I think this is especially true when you consider that one of the main criticisms we'll battle is that the Constitution and 2A rights are an anachronism from a bygone age.

I know it sounds trite, but the "them" should be the next generation, not us. We, as the legatees of our fathers, have already enjoyed the rights they fought for, my dad was a WW II vet, and now it's our responsibility to ensure our children enjoy the rights that were passed to us.

We need to explain why protecting the 2A is important for the next generation. That's a message with the potential to bridge the chasm and motivate.

Very good point. A great deal of people are out of touch / don't care about the past and a message focusing on something that happened 200+ years ago is irrelevant to them.

fivepak · Jan 9, 2013

It doesn't help when our schools teach kids that our forefathers were a bunch of Godless slave owners. The left only shines the light on the darkest aspects of our history. Anything patriotic makes them nauseous.

djo · Jan 9, 2013

egouin said:
How about... "The Bill of Rights... They created it for us. We defend it for those who follow."

I like that!

It's time..... The movement.

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djo

RoterTeufel

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fivepak

Kevlar

ASHDUMP

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BigMike

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bullseye

HKdrummer

AngelKing

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