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Is anyone in your family anti gun?
- Thread starter bhmax16
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They vote for the people that oppress you.
If I dictated my relationships on the basis of a person's voting tendencies, I'd only have a small percentage of the population to even talk to. I hold more value in some people than just who they vote for.
They do but it's always the matter of balancing personal costs. You have to ask, what does blowing them off get you? Might make you feel good, but they're probably still going to vote for a douchebag dem the next time around anyways, with or without you in their life. Course Calsdad is going to come along and tell me that these people should be punished- eg, they should know that their actions have real, personal consequences. Problem is even if your wife is a conservative, she's probably still going to get pissed at you when you kick far left liberal cousin larry out from thanksgiving dinner.
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There's also the argument that disowning them then deprives you of the ability to screw with them or antagonize them.
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Everyone's line in the sand is different of course. I don't know if I'd be able to keep my composure if I had to endure what Mike and his brother did above, though. If it was my house I'd be pissed. I don't know if I'd kick them out, but I'd probably ream out whoever the offender was. That's serious disrespect, IMO.
-Mike
Titan
Banned
OTOH, I find that if someone has an utter disregard for the our natural rights, the Constitution, and the principles our Founding Fathers established this country on, they tend to be so far away from my views that we have little to talk about in any rational way. I have an immediate family member who is a complete leftist loon and find it very hard to not view that person as an enemy of my country and a threat to my rights.
It's REALLY hard for me to overlook someone who's not just a moonbat, but a willful participant in the destruction of the Republic.
Titan
Banned
They do but it's always the matter of balancing personal costs. You have to ask, what does blowing them off get you? Might make you feel good, but they're probably still going to vote for a douchebag dem the next time around anyways, with or without you in their life. Course Calsdad is going to come along and tell me that these people should be punished- eg, they should know that their actions have real, personal consequences. Problem is even if your wife is a conservative, she's probably still going to get pissed at you when you kick far left liberal cousin larry out from thanksgiving dinner.
There's also the argument that disowning them then deprives you of the ability to screw with them or antagonize them.
Everyone's line in the sand is different of course. I don't know if I'd be able to keep my composure if I had to endure what Mike and his brother did above, though. If it was my house I'd be pissed. I don't know if I'd kick them out, but I'd probably ream out whoever the offender was. That's serious disrespect, IMO.
-Mike
Agreed.
I'm sure that if I found a relative of mine alluding to my penis as the basis for my views on natural rights, I wouldn't hesitate at all to disrespect THEM. It would seem that they had already formed the boundaries (or lack thereof) of the debate!
Shark_Cage
NES Member
I was also taken aback by that comment. Although when the other side goes for the personal attack, then your winning the argument.
Have you considered a gift membership to the NRA for gramps?
My Mother dislikes guns and wants nothing to do with them, but she does not try to interfere with anyones right to own them. My Father has guns in the house. They live in Mass, I live in CT.
She asked what I wanted for my birthday. I had just won an auction for an Ortgies 32acp pistol on GB, and she paid for it. Thanks Mom!
She asked what I wanted for my birthday. I had just won an auction for an Ortgies 32acp pistol on GB, and she paid for it. Thanks Mom!
As a Jew, I see it the way you do, but almost no Jewish people I know (outside our "gun community") agree with me on this.
Similar Family stories here Mike. I gave up looking for logic a long time ago. Maybe if a bunch of us go to the GOAL Banquet, one of us can directly ask Alan Gottlieb (SAF founder and he's Jewish too) that question if they ask for audience questions.
Agreed, Family is still Family. What little we have left know we're into firearms, they just don't discuss it and we don't bring it up unless to say "we just came from . . . " or "we're busy on . . . due to a shoot."
What I have figured out is that a huge percentage of Jews believe in socialism, with the gov't being the "caretaker" of all important needs . . . and a firm believer in unions to take care of "job needs".
Ditto.
Agree in spades! One Jewish couple (friends) we spend a lot of time with, the Wife is a Naturalized Citizen (born in Israel, immigrated at ~3 yo) who NEVER votes, Husband shot in college rifle team but now believes that nobody should own guns. They are the couple we brought to one Fireflies NES luncheon and afterwards they told us that the NES crowd (we had a huge group at that one) was a nice bunch of people but they felt uncomfortable because there was a lot of discussion about guns. We really like them but we just have to agree to disagree.
I was over my mother's house this past weekend and she pulled out some of my nephew's old action figures for my 2 year old son to play with. She made a point to remove all the small, plastic guns before she gave them to him. I wasn't sure if it was because they were guns or just parts on which he could choke, so I didn't push the issue. I will argue all day with friends, acquaintances or strangers about gun rights, but it is tricky with family.
upStomp
NES Member
I'm taking the most anti-gun person in my family, my father, to the range this weekend. It'll be the first time he's touched a firearm since serving in Vietnam. He actually seems really excited.
I wouldn't quite categorize my family as sheep headed for the slaughter house. Many generations of liberals have lived happy full lives. Also, whether this is better or worse, these are my families educated opinions, they are, for the most part, not just left wing nuts drinking the kool-aid, but have formed and reinforced their views over many years. My dads father was a reporter for many years and has seen everything from the Cuban revolution to the I have a dream speech in person. My mothers parents are less politicly up to date, but again, not a dumb guy, he did quite well for himself in dentistry and real estate.
I do have to say, I classify my parents as quite liberal, and while I could tell my mom a blatantly conservative view was that of her liberal candidate and she'd support it, my father tends to be generally more reasonable. The thing that gets me is my mom hasn't stopped complaining about taxes. Over the past couple years she started working full time and is doing much better than she expected, and she realized 100% of her income is going towards paying the federal and local taxes they accrue combined. My dad still believes its for a good cause. Even when my uncle who has been on the same boat for years and works in the health care industry explained that the government essentially just blew a trillion bucks.
Either way, I am hoping this whole current generation starts brewing the ideas that will fix this country, however I fear "who your mom votes for is who you vote for" won't be going anywhere for a while.
And just to reiterate, my family is my family and just because I don't agree with them, especially on the infamous subject of politics, doesn't come anywhere near justifying having them out of my life.
Mike
I do have to say, I classify my parents as quite liberal, and while I could tell my mom a blatantly conservative view was that of her liberal candidate and she'd support it, my father tends to be generally more reasonable. The thing that gets me is my mom hasn't stopped complaining about taxes. Over the past couple years she started working full time and is doing much better than she expected, and she realized 100% of her income is going towards paying the federal and local taxes they accrue combined. My dad still believes its for a good cause. Even when my uncle who has been on the same boat for years and works in the health care industry explained that the government essentially just blew a trillion bucks.
Either way, I am hoping this whole current generation starts brewing the ideas that will fix this country, however I fear "who your mom votes for is who you vote for" won't be going anywhere for a while.
And just to reiterate, my family is my family and just because I don't agree with them, especially on the infamous subject of politics, doesn't come anywhere near justifying having them out of my life.
Mike
For some reason I thought I remembered that your dad was in to shooting. I just assumed that's how you got in to it.
Brin747
NES Member
My father has gone shooting with me and enjoys it. He's very conservative thought not a gun owner, but he was in the Army for many years and enjoys shooting. My mother is the product of growing up in a stereotypical Mass Democrat family. They vote Democrat, because they have always voted Democrat, because the Democrats are "for the little guy". I have had this discussion with my grandfather to no avail. I also damned near gave my uncles and grandparents a collective heart attack when I proposed a toast at a family gathering to Ted Kennedy and his successful sobriety since August. (Yes, I knew I was stirring the pot in a big way)
Anyway, my mother cringes when guns come up, cringed big time when I bought my sons rifles for Christmas, and refuses to go shooting. That being said, we were at our town meeting a few weeks back ant there was some talk going around about cuts to the police budget. Somebody at the microphone made a comment along the lines of "What will you do when you hear a noise outside at 3 am and the police can't get there right away?" My mother turned to me and said "I'm calling you!" I just smiled...
Anyway, my mother cringes when guns come up, cringed big time when I bought my sons rifles for Christmas, and refuses to go shooting. That being said, we were at our town meeting a few weeks back ant there was some talk going around about cuts to the police budget. Somebody at the microphone made a comment along the lines of "What will you do when you hear a noise outside at 3 am and the police can't get there right away?" My mother turned to me and said "I'm calling you!" I just smiled...
upStomp
NES Member
My step father is into shooting, and definitely helped to rekindle my interest. But that was WAY after we wuz jammin'.
i dont think i could disown any family member or very close friend for politcal reasons, though i would not hesitate to put them in their place if they got on me about mine. most of my family isnt pro or anti gun, and i am far right of, well all of them. but that is ok. i just mind my own in regard to guns except when me my dad and my BIL talk about them since we all shoot together.
if a family member said something as disrespectful as mike's did, i would not hesitate to stand up and give a big 'ol F**K YOU to them and see where it took the situation.
if a family member said something as disrespectful as mike's did, i would not hesitate to stand up and give a big 'ol F**K YOU to them and see where it took the situation.
Titan
Banned
I get really fed up with my father in law who is constantly spewing that Dems are for 'the working man'.
Of course, this is his code language for union labor.
Apparently the only people who do a day's work for a day's pay (actually pretty laughable) are union workers. He's also hopeless on firearms and I give him a wide berth.
Life is simply too short to waste it with people like this.
Of course, this is his code language for union labor.
Apparently the only people who do a day's work for a day's pay (actually pretty laughable) are union workers. He's also hopeless on firearms and I give him a wide berth.
Life is simply too short to waste it with people like this.
Tell him FDR died a long time ago.
Its funny in my family I am the "liberal" but they are all anti-gun and I would die defending the 2nd amendment. Of course Im not a really what people would define as a liberal, if you want to know what that means ask it a long explanation. Come to think all of the pro 2nd amendment people in my extended family are the more liberal ones.
J
Jose
Obama-lover, et tu?
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My father and his new tree hugging granola eating wife are very anti gun. I keep my firearms collection and carrying of a hand gun pretty low key anyway and on top of that don't talk to my father much anyway. So basically to avoid aggravating " its safer to call 911" conversations I just chose not to tell him.
But you`re missing all the fun of watching an anti have a hissy fit. I love getting under their skin and pointing out the cops have no legal mandate to protect them. Sometimes when they realize they`re on their own they start having second thoughts on their anti-gun stance.
