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The HK45 made it, according to Hunter's list.
I think tombstone has them for $849
What is the typical wait time to get a USP-C .40S&W shipped out to a dealer?
I'm interested in the USP-C LEM version. Am I missing something?
i called four seasons today and the guy told me that there was no hk that was mass compliant and i said there was the hk usp .40c on the state police list and he said "its not mass compliant." That was the extent on the conversation. So can we buy these guns in MA or what? if so what dealers are selling them?
Dick, thanks for the reply. Although I'm confused.
The AG APPROVED FIREARMS ROSTER 12-2010 lists:
Heckler & Koch USP .40 S&W
Heckler & Koch USP Comp LEM .40 S&W
I'm interested in the USP-C LEM version. Am I missing something?
Ok, went back to read up. Sorry for redundant question.
Trigger not heavy enough to pass AG's regs, unless HK is going to do some rugsweeping.... we'll see, I guess.
-Mike
@ Dick,
I was unaware of the stupid Roaster Vs. Regulation situation.
However the H&K USPc .40 LEM is still at 7lb pull, thus cannot be sold. I also assume that 4Seasons is up to date on what's in or out.
I just picked up my LTC yesterday,
When I shot USPc for the first time up in Manchester.....just fell in love with it. I did feel it was made for me...
It's a bit more complicated than "it does/doesn't meet the regulations and can/can't be sold". That and I wouldn't assume anything when it comes to anything related to MA gun laws. Doesn't the USP/USPc have an external safety? That would negate the need for a 10lb trigger pull.
I also assume that 4Seasons is up to date on what's in or out.
Yup. Some shops have had rather unpleasant dealings with the AG in the past, and as a result are very conservative.This is a poor assumption to make. I like FS, but every gun shop in MA assumes different levels of risk regarding handgun compliance, especially at the AG regs level.
Alright this is what I gathered. I called eopss and talked to the firearm division and the hk usp 40 compact that is on the list is legal to own but it is not on the dealer list.
the hk usp 40 compact lem is on the eops list. but my understanding is that it is not the ag's list which is why dealers will not sell it.
the hk usp 40 compact lem is on the eops list. but my understanding is that it is not the ag's list which is why dealers will not sell it.
"Heckler & Koch is very interested in having mass compliant guns for sale. The only reason they have not is the confusion of Mass laws. It is currently being worked on. I have been told there are 9 models in the works.
They include - USP pistols in .40 cal, P2000 & P2000SK in .357, HK45 & HK45C and a few variations of the P30.
This is quite refreshing to hear of a manufacturer who actually wants to sell guns in our state.
If we want more - we have to strongly support manufacturers that take a chance on our state.
We need to buy more than what they would expect from a state of 6.5 million people. If we do - more manufacturers will follow. Massachusetts is small enough to be ignored. But when the gun frenzy slows down - companies may reconsider us if they see we actually buy guns.
The day they hit – I’m picking up a P30"
I had incorrectly said it would be done by 2010 - but I'm glad to see the USP 40's and the P2000's good to go early 2011. The P2000 pistols are going to be made in .357 only going forward. HK is discontinuing the .40cal P2000 and P2000SK. Buy you can just buy a .40cal barrel and drop it in. I actually have HK .40cal P2000 and P2000SK barrels in stock.
I spoke to HK at the Shot Show - and they are very interested in bringing more pistols to market in Massachusetts. They are currently going thru the testing.
Every other company whos guns are not for sale in our state are afraid to sell guns in our state. Many of them flat out say they have no desire to sell guns in our state.
Other manufacturers such as Beretta have a few older pistols for sale such the model 92 - but refuse to test new guns as they come out (such as the PX4).
HK will be one of a very small number of manufactures with a range of guns for sale in our state.
HK always says crap like this but half the time it's a lie. I think it's a weird ploy by them to get people to buy more handguns. (For example, every time they opened their mouth about the P7 going out of production, people would buy craploads of them. They did this like 2 or 3 times. )
Where are all the new HK's on the EOPS roster, then? the guns they have listed now are the same ones that have been on there for over 4 years.
Some of this is because the burden of compliance (especially wrt the AG's imaginary, vacuous regs) outstrips the profit the company might make on a
given model. MA has a relatively small pool of potential buyers.
I'll believe it when I see it. So far this smells mostly like vaporware, and we're not past the "AG whining window" yet, either.
-Mike
I don't think the AG has a list, I think she just calls dealers every now and again and threatens to charge them with selling guns that she hasn't approved. The whole system is pretty f-ed up.
I don't understand why a 2A organization hasn't dropped a case on her yet...
Maybe because she has unlimited resources, and there are more fundamental gun rights issues that need to be addressed?